The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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As to Israel, they are the `wife,` who has `made herself ready,` (Rev. 19: 7)
Please prove to me that those getting ready for the wedding supper are ONLY Jews. They are all the saints in heaven.

Israel was known as the wife, and God the husband, (Isa. 54: 5 & 6).
And all NT believers are referred to as the Bride of Christ. So your fact doesn't change anything. ALL the saints in heaven will prepare for the supper and accompany the King of kings to earth when He ends the Trib and sets up His kingdom, and THEN enjoys the wedding supper, when ALL believers from Adam on, (1 Cor 15:23 - "those who belong to Him") will attend.

Israel rebelled and thus God `divorced` her. (Jer. 3: 8).
Word pictures. Was God still divorced when Jesus was on earth? No.

Thus God will marry His `wife,` as shown in the book of Hosea 3: 1.

God has `betrothed Israel to Himself forever. (Hos. 2: 19 & 20)
1 Cor 15:23 is very clear. When He comes, EVERY believer will receive a glorified body, both Jew and Gentile.
 

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Possibly you failed to read my ENTIRE post. Where I cited a dictionary definition of 'apostacy'.

It means one who NO LONGER BELIEVES what they used to believe.

Of course, there are many believers who refuse to believe reality that believers have left the faith, such as Charles Templeton, who as a world renown evangelist, mentored a young Billy Graham, before leaving the faith.
Whatever you think, 2 Thes 2:3 speaks of "THE departure"......definite article, noun. Nothing more nothing less. This notion of departing from the faith doesn't belong there......or anywhere in Thessalonians quite frankly.

I believe 1 John 2:19 safely puts to rest any of your notions of falling away from the faith. As does the entire chapter of John 17.
 
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Malachi 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Rev 3:10.......any such testing in the 70th week does not apply to the Church. In fact we are promised to be kept from it.

MAYBE IF YOU STARTED FOLLOWING CHRISTS EXAMPLE AND LOVING OTHERS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF. MAYBE IF YOU COULD QUIT BEING AFRAID AND START PUTTING YOUR FAITH IN THE POWER OF GOD INSTEAD OF ESCAPING FROM YOUR WORK

REPEAT THIS VERSE A THOUSAND TIMES UNTIL IT BECOMES A PART OF YOU

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

REPEAT THIS VERSE A THOUSAND TIMES UNTIL IT BECOMES A PART OF YOU. Quit looking for an escape and start looking for a way to engage. START working towards GODS GOALS and quit looking to justify yours.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

NOT SEPARATE, NOT DIVISIONS, NOT PARTS BUT ONE. ONE. ONE. ONE

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one

ONE DOING THE WORK. SOLDIERS, SERVANTS, NOT PRIVILAGED. QUIT BOASTING AGAINST THE BRANCHES OR YOU WILL BE CUT OFF.

John 17:23 I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one and








THAT THE WORLD MAY KNOW THAT THOU HAST SENT ME AND HAST LOVED THEM AS THOU HAST LOVED ME.






John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold My glory, which Thou hast given me for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.


WHERE IS CHRIST? WHERE HAS HE BEEN FOR THE PAST 2 DAYS OR 2000 YEARS? WHERE HAVE ALL THOSE HE HAS SAVED BEEN FOR THE PAST 2 DAYS OR THE PAST 2000 YEARS?

DID GOD OR DID GOD NOT GIVE WHAT JESUS ASKED?


John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee but I have known thee, and these have known that Thou hast sent me.

John 17:26 And I have declared unto them Thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
 
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These will NEVER become apostates....ever. Because they have kept His Word. Because they "truly knew", they abide. Really the whole chapter is required to get the full impact.
John 17:6-8
I revealed Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, and to Me You gave them, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things You have given Me are of You. For the words that You have given Me I have given them, and they received them, and knew truly that I came forth from You; and they believed that You sent Me.

Apostates have not set their love upon Him, nor"known" His Name. Therefore they are NOT delivered.
Psa 91:14
Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

Apostates have not made the Most High their "habitation".
In fact they have fled FROM it.....because they have NO LOVE for Him.
Psa 91:9
Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;

Apostates never loved Jesus....because God was NEVER their Father.
Jhn 8:42
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Apostates never were of God, because they DID NOT hear God's word.
Jhn 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Apostates DID NOT KEEP His saying. Because they have NOT known Him.
Jhn 8:55
Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

I could go on and on and on for endless pages. But you get the picture.
I often wonder if those who have an incorrect diagnosis of apostasy....aren't apostates themselves.....:unsure:
Search for a dictionary and look up the word. You are giving your opinion. The dictionary will set you straight.
 
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Whatever you think, 2 Thes 2:3 speaks of "THE departure"......definite article, noun. Nothing more nothing less. This notion of departing from the faith doesn't belong there......or anywhere in Thessalonians quite frankly.
I think it's high time to end all this silliness about this verse. It says nothing about a rapture.

English Standard Version
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

Strong's Concordance for the word translated "rebellion"
apostasia: defection, revolt
Original Word: ἀποστασία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apostasia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-os-tas-ee'-ah)
Definition: defection, revolt
Usage: defection, apostasy, revolt.
HELPS Word-studies
646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."[/QUOTE]
Should be rather clear that "departure" in this verse means "to rebel, revolt, defect."

When a person rebels, they DEPART from where they where.

I believe 1 John 2:19 safely puts to rest any of your notions of falling away from the faith. As does the entire chapter of John 17.
English Standard Version
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

What you probably haven't considered or even thought of are these verses, which fully explains this verse.

Acts 15:24 - We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

This was written to encourage Gentile believers. The context for this begins at v.1 and the reference is to BELIEVERS who were members of the Pharisee party and insisted that one must be circumcized and obey the law of Moses to be saved (v.1,7).

Acts 20:30 - Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

Refers to fellow believers who get into false doctrine, just like today with those who insist on water baptism for salvation, etc.

1 Tim 1-
19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith.
20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

2 Tim 4:3,9
3 - For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4 - They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

All these verses prove that believers CAN leave the faith or become involved in serious false doctrines.
 
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Why are you constantly quoting Old Testament verses and apply them to the Church? Oh wait....you think that the house of Jacob is the Church.

Properly stated the Church, the gentile Bride (and the rapture) are a mystery NOT revealed in the Old Testament.

THE THING THAT WASN'T REVEALED WAS THAT SALVATION WOULD BE OPENED UP TO THE GENTILES. THAT THE GENTILES WERE NO LONGER 'UNCLEAN'. THAT CIRCUMCISION WASN'T OF THE FLESH BUT OF THE HEART.

DOESN'T CHANGE WHO GODS PEOPLE ARE AND WHAT GOD REQUIRES. A CONSUMING FIRE BURNS UP SIN. GODS LAWS HELP US TO GET 'RIGHTEOUS' BEFORE WE ARE TO STAND IN FRONT OF HIM. FIRE DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOUR BLOOD LINE IS.

THE GENTILES BECAME A PART OF GODS PEOPLE, HE MADE IT VERY VERY VERY VERY CLEAR THEY WEREN'T A SEPARATE PEOPLE. THE CHURCH IS JUST ANOTHER NAME FOR SYNAGOGUE.

THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL EPHRIAM, MANASSEH, BEN, DAN, REUBEN, SIMEON, LEVI, NAPHTALLI, GAD, ASHER, ISSACAR AND ZEBULON DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. GOT IT? CHANCES OF YOU BEING FROM ONE OF THESE TRIBES IS INCREDIBLY HIGH.

MEANING YOU ARE NOT OF THE 'GENTILE CHURCH' AT ALL. YOUR BLOODLINE MOST PROBABLY IS OF THE ORIGINAL BLOODLINE.

You are just a Christian. a LOST SHEEP. Of which Christ doesn't lose one. SO FOR THE PAST 2000 YEARS the lost sheep of the House of Israel have been coming to CHRIST. CHRISTIANS.

SO YOU DON'T GET TO RAPTURE ANYWAY.


 

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THE THING THAT WASN'T REVEALED WAS THAT SALVATION WOULD BE OPENED UP TO THE GENTILES. THAT THE GENTILES WERE NO LONGER 'UNCLEAN'. THAT CIRCUMCISION WASN'T OF THE FLESH BUT OF THE HEART.

DOESN'T CHANGE WHO GODS PEOPLE ARE AND WHAT GOD REQUIRES. A CONSUMING FIRE BURNS UP SIN. GODS LAWS HELP US TO GET 'RIGHTEOUS' BEFORE WE ARE TO STAND IN FRONT OF HIM. FIRE DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOUR BLOOD LINE IS.

THE GENTILES BECAME A PART OF GODS PEOPLE, HE MADE IT VERY VERY VERY VERY CLEAR THEY WEREN'T A SEPARATE PEOPLE. THE CHURCH IS JUST ANOTHER NAME FOR SYNAGOGUE.

THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL EPHRIAM, MANASSEH, BEN, DAN, REUBEN, SIMEON, LEVI, NAPHTALLI, GAD, ASHER, ISSACAR AND ZEBULON DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. GOT IT? CHANCES OF YOU BEING FROM ONE OF THESE TRIBES IS INCREDIBLY HIGH.

MEANING YOU ARE NOT OF THE 'GENTILE CHURCH' AT ALL. YOUR BLOODLINE MOST PROBABLY IS OF THE ORIGINAL BLOODLINE.

You are just a Christian. a LOST SHEEP. Of which Christ doesn't lose one. SO FOR THE PAST 2000 YEARS the lost sheep of the House of Israel have been coming to CHRIST. CHRISTIANS.

SO YOU DON'T GET TO RAPTURE ANYWAY.
"GODS LAWS HELP US TO GET 'RIGHTEOUS'"

Laws? Which ones?

https://biblehub.com/blb/romans/7.htm

"6But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that which we were bound, in order for us to serve in newness of the Spirit, and not in oldness of the letter."
 

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THE THING THAT WASN'T REVEALED WAS THAT SALVATION WOULD BE OPENED UP TO THE GENTILES. THAT THE GENTILES WERE NO LONGER 'UNCLEAN'. THAT CIRCUMCISION WASN'T OF THE FLESH BUT OF THE HEART.

DOESN'T CHANGE WHO GODS PEOPLE ARE AND WHAT GOD REQUIRES. A CONSUMING FIRE BURNS UP SIN. GODS LAWS HELP US TO GET 'RIGHTEOUS' BEFORE WE ARE TO STAND IN FRONT OF HIM. FIRE DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOUR BLOOD LINE IS.

THE GENTILES BECAME A PART OF GODS PEOPLE, HE MADE IT VERY VERY VERY VERY CLEAR THEY WEREN'T A SEPARATE PEOPLE. THE CHURCH IS JUST ANOTHER NAME FOR SYNAGOGUE.

THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL EPHRIAM, MANASSEH, BEN, DAN, REUBEN, SIMEON, LEVI, NAPHTALLI, GAD, ASHER, ISSACAR AND ZEBULON DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. GOT IT? CHANCES OF YOU BEING FROM ONE OF THESE TRIBES IS INCREDIBLY HIGH.

MEANING YOU ARE NOT OF THE 'GENTILE CHURCH' AT ALL. YOUR BLOODLINE MOST PROBABLY IS OF THE ORIGINAL BLOODLINE.

You are just a Christian. a LOST SHEEP. Of which Christ doesn't lose one. SO FOR THE PAST 2000 YEARS the lost sheep of the House of Israel have been coming to CHRIST. CHRISTIANS.

SO YOU DON'T GET TO RAPTURE ANYWAY.
"CHANCES OF YOU BEING FROM ONE OF THESE TRIBES IS INCREDIBLY HIGH."

British Israelism? Another heresy. Thow that crazy thinking into the trashcan. Please.
 

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THE THING THAT WASN'T REVEALED WAS THAT SALVATION WOULD BE OPENED UP TO THE GENTILES. THAT THE GENTILES WERE NO LONGER 'UNCLEAN'. THAT CIRCUMCISION WASN'T OF THE FLESH BUT OF THE HEART.

DOESN'T CHANGE WHO GODS PEOPLE ARE AND WHAT GOD REQUIRES. A CONSUMING FIRE BURNS UP SIN. GODS LAWS HELP US TO GET 'RIGHTEOUS' BEFORE WE ARE TO STAND IN FRONT OF HIM. FIRE DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOUR BLOOD LINE IS.

THE GENTILES BECAME A PART OF GODS PEOPLE, HE MADE IT VERY VERY VERY VERY CLEAR THEY WEREN'T A SEPARATE PEOPLE. THE CHURCH IS JUST ANOTHER NAME FOR SYNAGOGUE.

THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL EPHRIAM, MANASSEH, BEN, DAN, REUBEN, SIMEON, LEVI, NAPHTALLI, GAD, ASHER, ISSACAR AND ZEBULON DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. GOT IT? CHANCES OF YOU BEING FROM ONE OF THESE TRIBES IS INCREDIBLY HIGH.

MEANING YOU ARE NOT OF THE 'GENTILE CHURCH' AT ALL. YOUR BLOODLINE MOST PROBABLY IS OF THE ORIGINAL BLOODLINE.

You are just a Christian. a LOST SHEEP. Of which Christ doesn't lose one. SO FOR THE PAST 2000 YEARS the lost sheep of the House of Israel have been coming to CHRIST. CHRISTIANS.

SO YOU DON'T GET TO RAPTURE ANYWAY.
Sounds like Herbert W. Armstrong is in the house....:eek:
 

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2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

A. Second coming and rapture not happen before rebellion and ac reveal

Some believe the word rebellion mean rapture or depart from earth, if we change the word rebellion to rapture than A become

A second coming and rapture not happen before rapture

What kind of information is this. It is clear Jesuit try to full you
 

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^ Nope. Instead:

the day of the Lord [earthly time-period of judgments unfolding] will not BE PRESENT if not shall have come THE Departure [/our episynagoges UNTO HIM... via Rapture [IN THE AIR] / SNATCH] *FIRST* and [distinctly] the man of sin be revealed...











[when "the man of sin be revealed" (i.e. SEAL #1 / INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR 1Th5:1-3 / Matt24:4/Mk13:5, etc]") THAT is also WHEN "the day of the Lord" (earthly time-period of judgments) will BE PRESENT indeed! (It wasn't... like the false conveyors were purporting it was... per verse 2 which Paul is informing about)]


It is NOT saying, "rapture can't happen till rapture happens FIRST..." NO!!!
 

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^ Nope. Instead:

the day of the Lord [earthly time-period of judgments unfolding] will not BE PRESENT if not shall have come THE Departure [/our episynagoges UNTO HIM... via Rapture / SNATCH] *FIRST* and [distinctly] the man of sin be revealed...

The departure is the falling away from the Church or Faith of Christ. Paul used the Greek word for Apostasy. It's a religious revolt or rebellion involving a false god known as the man of sin or antichrist.
 

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^ Nope. Instead:

the day of the Lord [earthly time-period of judgments unfolding] will not BE PRESENT if not shall have come THE Departure [/our episynagoges UNTO HIM... via Rapture [IN THE AIR] / SNATCH] *FIRST* and [distinctly] the man of sin be revealed...











[when "the man of sin be revealed" (i.e. SEAL #1 / INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR 1Th5:1-3 / Matt24:4/Mk13:5, etc]") THAT is also WHEN "the day of the Lord" (earthly time-period of judgments) will BE PRESENT indeed! (It wasn't... like the false conveyors were purporting it was... per verse 2 which Paul is informing about)]


It is NOT saying, "rapture can't happen till rapture happens FIRST..." NO!!!
John and smith went to LA
They visit their friend

They is plural pronounce for john and smith

About Second coming and rapture, don't confuse
That day will not come before rebellion and ac

That day is plural pronounce for second coming and rapture.

That day in this context = second coming and rapture.

The topic Paul address is second coming and rapture
In Verse 1 Paul say our gathering together with Him = rapture
Why he change to apostasy for rapture?
 

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3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Apostasy and the man of lawlessness

NOT apostasy THAN a man of lawlessness

Jesuit change the word and to than
 

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Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shallm appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Immediately after tribulation....second coming...gather together/ rapture

So second coming and rapture is imedietely after trib not before
 

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Regarding the false claim in verse 2 (which is often misconstrued to be saying something Paul is NOT saying the false claim consisted of [see examples of what people suggest, below at the bottom]), it actually states this:


[verse 2]

Berean Study Bible
not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come.

Berean Literal Bible
for you not quickly to be shaken in mind, nor to be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as if by us, as that day of the Lord is present.




... BUT ...many ppl are incorrectly suggesting that Paul's saying the "false caim" in verse 2 was this (or any one of the following), INSTEAD:

1)
Berean Study Bible
not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that [JESUS HIMSELF] has already come.

Berean Literal Bible
for you not quickly to be shaken in mind, nor to be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as if by us, as that [JESUS HIMSELF] is present.

[this makes ZERO SENSE of the actual text, nor of what we know of the Thessalonians]




or this...

2)
Berean Study Bible
not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that [His Kingdom age] has already come.

Berean Literal Bible
for you not quickly to be shaken in mind, nor to be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as if by us, as that [His Kingdom age] is present.

[how can this be possible when Jesus had already said that the Son of man will be "SEEN" coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory... Considering that the Greek word in 2Th2:2 "IS PRESENT" is in the "PERFECT INDICATIVE," meaning, "action completed at a specific point of time IN PAST, with results continuing into the present," how could something like that have occurred at some point of time IN PAST, without their having "SEEN" it, as Jesus had said in Matt24 (and the "two men... in white apparel" in Acts 1:10-11 had also alluded to the "IN LIKE MANNER" as ye have "SEEN" Him traveling INTO Heaven, that he would also "SO COME" [i.e. VISIBLY])... but some would have us believe that the Thessalonians were so utterly ignorant that someone could dupe them into being DELUDED into being persuaded by such a tale, that this is what IS ALREADY HERE, but having ZERO EVIDENCE anywhere in sight...]




...or others suggest it's saying...

3)
Berean Study Bible
not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that [our Rapture / SNATCH] has already come.

Berean Literal Bible
for you not quickly to be shaken in mind, nor to be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as if by us, as [that day of our Rapture] is present.

[this is at least slightly more feasible (if one is ignorant of what all Scripture says "the day of the Lord" entails [1Th5:1-3, and many more])... but we have ZERO evidence supplied in the text that ANY believers had disappeared, but we are asked to believe that the Thessalonians would have been distraught or alarmed over "a claim" by anyone having precisely ZERO EVIDENCE in sight of them]






These are just a few common examples of what ppl often misinterpret verse 2 to be spelling out (re: the false claim)... and taking this first MISSTEP skews the rest of what Paul is going on to convey in the text, regarding it
 

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2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

Paul will be addressing these two events. The first event is the second coming and the second event is the rapture.

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

That day is day those two events happen. Don't listen to anyone who claims this is a reference only to first event. Paul is talking about the day in which both events take place.

He is comforting these people that they should not be worried they missed the second coming and rapture. What may have caused them to think they did? The clue is in that verse, "nor by letter as from us". Paul is referencing his first letter to them. In that letter he said the second coming would be "like a thief in the night". They must have misunderstood that Christians could possibly be asleep and miss that event which includes the rapture. They must have also overlooked that Paul said Christians would not miss it, "ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief".


2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (Apostasy away from Christ) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

"that day" is same day of two events, second coming and rapture. Also beware of ANYONE trying to change Apostasy into a physical departure.
 

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^ yep if rapture already happen Paul will not be on earth to wrote to Thessalonians's.
Sinner like us may left behind not Paul
 
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