The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints

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Truth7t7

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#61
It is telling us that the Lord dwells outside and above time. That is what time like for the Lord. For us, 1000 years = 1000 years. There is nothing complicated or new here. (At least not for most of us.)
I agree 100%, the Lord dwells "Outside Of Time" and Thousand Years "Isnt Literal" when dealing with the Lord, seen in Rev 20:1-6 below

You will closely note, Revelation 20:1-6 below is in the Lords realm "Outside Of Time" thousand years isnt literal to the spiritual realm, as you stated, and we agree.

100% in the Lords Spiritual below (Fact)

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan,The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

There isnt a physical earthly kingdom, earthly throne, earthly mortal humans seen below?

A Literal 1,000 Millennial Kingdom on this earth is a man made fairy tale, it dosent exist in the very scripture they quote, again and again (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

oyster67

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A Literal 1,000 Millennial Kingdom on this earth is a man made fairy tale
God's Word is not a fairy tale. You are not wise to teach these things. God's Word is True. Do you realize what that makes you?

Romans
3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
 

ewq1938

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It doesn't make sense that kingdoms need to become the Lords because,

The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it Psa.24:1

It's likely in Rev.11:15, the saints are saying that at some point in time, they realized the truth, that the kingdoms of this world have always belonged to our Lord.
The scripture says when the 7th trump sounds, all kingdoms belong to Christ which means he is the leader of all Earthly kingdoms which is a new thing that is not happening before the 7th trump.
 

Guojing

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Are you saying that Paul refers to Jesus coming as a thief for the saints at the rapture and Peter refers to Jesus coming as a thief at the Second Coming after the tribulation?
To me, its straightforward.

The Rapture is the true unknown event since once it happens, we know there will be 7 more years to the 2nd coming of Christ.

So if you are unaware of the rapture, like Peter was, obviously the 2nd coming of Christ becomes the unknown event.

Hope that clarifies why both events could be considered "thief of the night", depending on whether you are Paul or Peter.
 

Truth7t7

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God's Word is not a fairy tale. You are not wise to teach these things. God's Word is True. Do you realize what that makes you?

Romans
3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Gods words are true, no earthly physical kingdom, earthly physical throne, or earthly mortal humans are seen in Rev 20:1-6 below

You wont argue the scripture presented before your eyes, because they (Don't Exist) it's that simple :giggle:

You will closely note, Revelation 20:1-6 below is in the Lords realm "Outside Of Time" thousand years isnt literal to the spiritual realm, as you stated, and we agree.

100% in the Lords Spiritual below (Fact)

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan,The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

There isnt a physical earthly kingdom, earthly throne, earthly mortal humans seen below?

A Literal 1,000 Millennial Kingdom on this earth is a man made fairy tale, it dosent exist in the very scripture they quote, again and again (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

Truth7t7

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#66
The scripture says when the 7th trump sounds, all kingdoms belong to Christ which means he is the leader of all Earthly kingdoms which is a new thing that is not happening before the 7th trump.
You will closely note, you tell a story without scripture posted for support, because scripture dosent support a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth.

You will closely note, at the 7th Angel/Trump the final judgement takes place as seen in Rev 11:18 below

You dont want to mention the great earthquake and hail in Rev 11:19 "Why"?

The scripture dosent teach Jesus Christ returns to start a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom, it teaches wrath and final judgement a (Fact)

Revelation 11:15-19KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
 

Phoneman-777

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The return of jesus is to redeem Israel. It is not to judge and cleanse the earth untill all is fulfilled.
This is the problem with your chronology.
He is to establish his kingdom on earth. Judgement come after this....after Satan is loosed to receive again.
We pray "your will be done on earth as it is in heaven".
:oops::oops::oops:The purpose of Jesus' return is clearly laid out in John 14 KJV: "In My Father's house are many mansions...if I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive YOU (He's talking to the Church, not Israel) unto Myself, that where I am, there may ye be also."

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 KJV clearly demonstrates that when Jesus comes gloriously, spectacularly, triumphantly in the clouds with His angels, the dead and living saints rise to meet Him in the air in fulfillment of His promise in John 14 KJV.
 

Phoneman-777

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Exactly!

The Cult of John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield in Dispensationalism do use the ole (Thief In The Night) verse below, it was used as the title for the 1972 Sci-Fi thriller movie attached, shown in Churches around the world in the 70's-80's, The pre-trib rapture, those left behind subjected to no food, medical, Antichrist death squads chasing Christians, guillotines, the mark of the beast or die!

That film and its sequels (Distant Thunder) & (Mark Of The Beast) were pushed every Friday, Saturday night in churches for "Years"!

Of Course (The Day Of The Lord Comes As A Thief) In Fire And Judgement, The Heavens And Earth Are (Dissolved)

Wikipedia: A Thief in the Night is a 1972 evangelical Christian film written by Jim Grant, directed and produced by Donald W. Thompson. The film stars Patty Dunning as Patty Myers, the main character and protagonist, along with Thom Rachford, Colleen Niday, and Mike Niday in supporting roles. It is the first installment in the Thief in the Night series about the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ. The film is set during the near future, focusing on Patty, a young woman who was not raptured and who struggles to decide what to do in the face of the Tribulation.

A Thief in the Night

Theatrical release poster

1 Thessalonians 5:1-2KJV
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
If only all Jesuit Futurist/Darby Dispensationalists were as honest as this guy ;):


part0.jpg
 

Phoneman-777

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2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;


as a thief, The simple understanding is that you didn't know the thief was here.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...nd-coming-of-jesus.193968/page-6#post-4476228

If Jesus appears in China during the day, then in America it is night.

Believe me, I'm not crazy,I'm serious.
Pretty sure that Divine Glory that can outshine the Sun is well able to light up the night sky anywhere on the planet at the Second Coming :)
 

Phoneman-777

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So if you are unaware of the rapture, like Peter was, obviously the 2nd coming of Christ becomes the unknown event.

Hope that clarifies why both events could be considered "thief of the night", depending on whether you are Paul or Peter.
Now that's one of the most presumptuous statements I've ever heard. You really expect us to believe that in all the years Paul and Peter worked together, Peter never once heard Paul talk about it? Both admonished us to "watch and pray", but only one of them knew exactly what to watch for?
 

Guojing

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Now that's one of the most presumptuous statements I've ever heard. You really expect us to believe that in all the years Paul and Peter worked together, Peter never once heard Paul talk about it? Both admonished us to "watch and pray", but only one of them knew exactly what to watch for?
Peter was a minister to the circumcision (Galatians 2:7-9), and he was quoted as saying this about the mystery that was revealed to Paul in 2 Peter 3:16

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Of course, if you want to believe that Peter understood everything that Paul was taught by the ascended Christ himself, I am fine too. Its not a salvific issue.
 

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To me, its straightforward.

The Rapture is the true unknown event since once it happens, we know there will be 7 more years to the 2nd coming of Christ.

So if you are unaware of the rapture, like Peter was, obviously the 2nd coming of Christ becomes the unknown event.

Hope that clarifies why both events could be considered "thief of the night", depending on whether you are Paul or Peter.

"So if you are unaware of the rapture, like Peter was, obviously the 2nd coming of Christ becomes the unknown event."

Peter was unaware of the rapture, and he spent all those years with Jesus Christ. Says a lot right there....
 

Guojing

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"So if you are unaware of the rapture, like Peter was, obviously the 2nd coming of Christ becomes the unknown event."

Peter was unaware of the rapture, and he spent all those years with Jesus Christ. Says a lot right there....
My view is that whether or not Peter, John or James understood the revelation of the mystery that was revealed first to Paul is irrelevant.

You cannot get salvation by faith alone in the death burial resurrection of Christ, nor Jews and gentiles being equal in the same body, nor the rapture of the Body of Christ, anywhere in the letters of James, Peter and John.

The Holy Spirit did not want them to write about those, he wanted them to write doctrine for the nation of Israel during Jacob's trouble or the Tribulation.

Israel will not be raptured before the Tribulation, the nation will have to go thru it. He wrote many times in 1 Peter about this issue.

You can find them in 1 Peter 4

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Vs 18 is very enlightening when I came across it for the first time. According to Peter, there is no such thing as OSAS. Even one who is righteous can scarcely be saved, which is not what Paul would instruct us in the Body of Christ.
 

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The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is what it's all about, isn't it?
 

Guojing

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Quote the entire paragraph please

You cannot get salvation by faith alone in the death burial resurrection of Christ, nor Jews and gentiles being equal in the same body, nor the rapture of the Body of Christ, anywhere in the letters of James, Peter and John.
 

ewq1938

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Do you Guojing believe someone can get salvation by faith alone in the death burial resurrection of Christ?


Quote the entire paragraph please

You cannot get salvation by faith alone in the death burial resurrection of Christ, nor Jews and gentiles being equal in the same body, nor the rapture of the Body of Christ, anywhere in the letters of James, Peter and John.
 

Guojing

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Do you Guojing believe someone can get salvation by faith alone in the death burial resurrection of Christ?
I follow 1 Cor 15:1-4 and Romans 4:5. What about you?