The most Amazing End time prophecy of them all

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Ahwatukee

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Fair enough what we can say with certainty is that the Revelation 12 sign appeared on September 23, 2017 during the Feast of Trumpets, that this is the first time it has appeared since John wrote the book of Revelation and that it will not appear for another thousand years. Better?
You cannot say with certainty that Revelation 12 has taken place. You and others make too much of the reference to the sign that John sees. It is just who God revealed it to him so that he would write it that was, so that we who are reading would understand its symbolic significance. It is not to be taken as some cosmic sign!

Revelation 12 symbolically describes the woman as being Israel and what is going to happen to her in the future. At the sounding of the 7th trumpet, the resulting plague will be Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth, which is also the 3rd woe (Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.”) The dragon/Satan will pursue the woman/Israel and the woman will flee out into the wilderness to a place where God will care for her for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of the seven year tribulation, the last half being the great tribulation.

John's vision has nothing to do with the planets.
 

ZNP

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You cannot say with certainty that Revelation 12 has taken place. You and others make too much of the reference to the sign that John sees. It is just who God revealed it to him so that he would write it that was, so that we who are reading would understand its symbolic significance. It is not to be taken as some cosmic sign!

Revelation 12 symbolically describes the woman as being Israel and what is going to happen to her in the future. At the sounding of the 7th trumpet, the resulting plague will be Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth, which is also the 3rd woe (Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea; with great fury the devil has come down to you, knowing he has only a short time.”) The dragon/Satan will pursue the woman/Israel and the woman will flee out into the wilderness to a place where God will care for her for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of the seven year tribulation, the last half being the great tribulation.

John's vision has nothing to do with the planets.
Wow, you should have told Moses before he wrote that the stars were created as signs.
 

Ahwatukee

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Wow, you should have told Moses before he wrote that the stars were created as signs.
You are taking them literally as being cosmic signs and misapplying the information. The sign of the woman and the dragon was just a way of describing who the woman and the dragon are. God was showing John and us what would take place in the future with Israel and the dragon/Satan during the tribulation period. It has nothing to do with literal stars or planets. In fact all Rev.12:1-6 is all symbolic:

The woman = Not a literal woman

The woman being pregnant = Not a literal pregnancy

The seven headed dragon = not a literal dragon

The Male Child = Not a literal male child
 

AandW

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The Revelation 12 sign, Virgo was crowned with 12 stars (the planets are called wandering stars), she was clothed with the sun, and Jupiter was in her womb for 9 months.

This sign has never appeared before in human history, at least not exactly like this. A similar though slightly different sign did appear at the time Jesus was born and again a sign similar to this appeared at the time of Adam and Eve and is thought to be the source of the first prophecy (Gen 3:15)
Are you talking about the alignment people dubbed the Star of Christ that happened maybe 2 to 3 months ago?
Where if you live in western USA you were able to see 4 planets in a row illumination to appear as a bigger than normal star.

You think that is Josephus' dream or Revelation 12 was being fulfilled?

So you believe since 1948, especially in 1967 when Israel, a Legal State went and took back control of Jerusalem equals the Era of Gentiles trodding Jerusalem are over?
 

AandW

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And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
Zechariah 13:9 KJV



Yellowstone volcano erruption.
Yeppers!

Everyone is quite aware of Yellowstone and the what ifs and when ifs. As one who lives in Western USA, that is 400 miles from that exact site, if it blows like everyone understands what it should be capable of, even i am in that range for max eruption based upon the amount of data processed. It will be massively destructive and what a site that would create.
 

Ahwatukee

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And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
Zechariah 13:9 KJV



Yellowstone volcano erruption.
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Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd,

against the man who is My Companion,

declares the LORD of Hosts.

Strike the Shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered,

and I will turn My hand against the little ones.

8And in all the land, declares the LORD,

two-thirds will be cut off and perish,

but a third will be left in it.

9This third I will bring through the fire;

I will refine them like silver

and test them like gold.

They will call on My name,

and I will answer them.

I will say, ‘They are My people,’

and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.’ ”

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Hi Tink!

The scripture above has nothing to do with Yellowstone at all or America for that matter. In fact Jesus quoted v.7 of that prophecy in regards to God the Father striking the Shephard which is Jesus and the sheep representing the disciples regarding their fleeing when all of those men were led by Judas to the garden of Gethsemane (Matt.26:31).

The rest of the scripture has to do with God putting His people Israel through the coming trials and tribulation to refine them like gold is refined.
 

ZNP

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Are you talking about the alignment people dubbed the Star of Christ that happened maybe 2 to 3 months ago?
Where if you live in western USA you were able to see 4 planets in a row illumination to appear as a bigger than normal star.
No, see post #10 it gives you a 2 minute video which explains fully.

You think that is Josephus' dream or Revelation 12 was being fulfilled?
Are you talking about Pharaoh's dream that Joseph interpreted? For Pharaoh's dream see this video


So you believe since 1948, especially in 1967 when Israel, a Legal State went and took back control of Jerusalem equals the Era of Gentiles trodding Jerusalem are over?
I think that the provisional recognition of Israel as a state by the UN in 1948 and then the official recognition of Israel as a state in 1950 is very significant in Bible prophecy.

I also think 1917 was a very significant year where Jerusalem was considered No Man's land for 50 years, that was the fulfillment of the Kaduri prophecy, and Israel taking control of Jerusalem for 50 years from 1967 to 2017 was also very big.

Then in 2017 the Revelation 12 sign in the stars at the Feast of Trumpets was another very big fulfillment of prophecy.
 

ZNP

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And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
Zechariah 13:9 KJV



Yellowstone volcano erruption.
I think this verse in Zechariah refers to the Jews and how 2/3 of them will die.
 

AandW

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No, see post #10 it gives you a 2 minute video which explains fully.

Are you talking about Pharaoh's dream that Joseph interpreted? For Pharaoh's dream see this video




I think that the provisional recognition of Israel as a state by the UN in 1948 and then the official recognition of Israel as a state in 1950 is very significant in Bible prophecy.

I also think 1917 was a very significant year where Jerusalem was considered No Man's land for 50 years, that was the fulfillment of the Kaduri prophecy, and Israel taking control of Jerusalem for 50 years from 1967 to 2017 was also very big.

Then in 2017 the Revelation 12 sign in the stars at the Feast of Trumpets was another very big fulfillment of prophecy.
Concerning this Video:

jonathon Cahn is someone I enjoy listening to for his Hebraic interpretations.

This Video was made september 25, 2014.
When it hits september 25 of this year, that makes this video of the 2 calves with number 7 on their faces exactly at year 7.

Does it seem after Trump we could be headed for an economic crash and 7 lean years could mean Wrath of God?
The Twin Towers from 9/11 seemed to be the Harbinger of the spiral down for the USA.

Interesting 15 minute discussion for sure.
 

Journeyman

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I think this is the most amazing NT prophecy,

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world.....Mt.24:14
 

Blik

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There are examples of fulfilled biblical prophecy in scripture, but not one of them has been given in such a way that it was exactly understood before they happened. Each time people have been surprised to learn just what was meant, literally, by the prophecy. The prophecy of the first time Christ came was clearly written in the old testament and orthodox Jews are STILL misreading that prophecy.

Today, people think they are smarter, but we are the same people. If we think we know, literally, what all the symbolic language means that these prophecies are told to us in I think we are seriously deluded.

The most accurate prophecy that is written in the most fleshly language so we can understand it best is in the three fall feasts: the Feast of Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles.
 

ZNP

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There are examples of fulfilled biblical prophecy in scripture, but not one of them has been given in such a way that it was exactly understood before they happened. Each time people have been surprised to learn just what was meant, literally, by the prophecy. The prophecy of the first time Christ came was clearly written in the old testament and orthodox Jews are STILL misreading that prophecy.

Today, people think they are smarter, but we are the same people. If we think we know, literally, what all the symbolic language means that these prophecies are told to us in I think we are seriously deluded.
This isn't 100% true, they knew that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem, the wise men knew what sign in the heavens to look for (it is thought that Daniel shared this with them based on Balaam's prophecy), not only so but Mary and Elizabeth certainly knew as did their husbands, as did John the Baptist while still in the womb. Zechariah also made it clear what was taking place when John was born. Simeon knew that he would see the Messiah before he died, and Anna also knew. I could go on but there was no excuse to not recognize the first coming of Jesus.


The most accurate prophecy that is written in the most fleshly language so we can understand it best is in the three fall feasts: the Feast of Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles.
They are prophetic, that is true, but I don't think any of them refers to the rapture of the church prior to the tribulation.
 

Blik

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This isn't 100% true, they knew that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem, the wise men knew what sign in the heavens to look for (it is thought that Daniel shared this with them based on Balaam's prophecy), not only so but Mary and Elizabeth certainly knew as did their husbands, as did John the Baptist while still in the womb. Zechariah also made it clear what was taking place when John was born. Simeon knew that he would see the Messiah before he died, and Anna also knew. I could go on but there was no excuse to not recognize the first coming of Jesus.




They are prophetic, that is true, but I don't think any of them refers to the rapture of the church prior to the tribulation.
Have you decided that you know all about how God will operate the rapture, that you understand completely every thing God tells you about it? Do you think there is just a bit of a possibility that you do not completely understand? Does this mean you are 100% true, and if you aren't, am I to throw out everything you have to say? Honestly!!!
 

ZNP

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Have you decided that you know all about how God will operate the rapture, that you understand completely every thing God tells you about it? Do you think there is just a bit of a possibility that you do not completely understand? Does this mean you are 100% true, and if you aren't, am I to throw out everything you have to say? Honestly!!!
It is hard to know what you are saying because it is so vague. Are you saying that since we will make mistakes in our understanding and don't know fully we shouldn't read the scripture? we shouldn't look at the prophecies? We shouldn't teach the Bible? We shouldn't become alert more and more as we see the day approaching?

If you are not saying that then what are you saying?

What I am hearing, and again it is vague so you can't really make it out clearly, is that you don't know the answers to all the questions therefore stop asking and stop knocking. Otherwise, what is the point to your post?

Thomas Edison did not fully understand electricity when he began to study it, that was the point of studying it.

The Wright Brothers did not fully understand the principles of flight when they began to study it, that was the point of studying it.

So maybe you can explain what exactly you are trying to say.
 

Blik

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It is hard to know what you are saying because it is so vague. Are you saying that since we will make mistakes in our understanding and don't know fully we shouldn't read the scripture? we shouldn't look at the prophecies? We shouldn't teach the Bible? We shouldn't become alert more and more as we see the day approaching?

If you are not saying that then what are you saying?

What I am hearing, and again it is vague so you can't really make it out clearly, is that you don't know the answers to all the questions therefore stop asking and stop knocking. Otherwise, what is the point to your post?

Thomas Edison did not fully understand electricity when he began to study it, that was the point of studying it.

The Wright Brothers did not fully understand the principles of flight when they began to study it, that was the point of studying it.

So maybe you can explain what exactly you are trying to say.
I did't think I was vague. I am saying that we must accept that we don' t know the exact way God will bring about the end of our world and create a new world, and if we say we are certain we do know the exact way, we are not facing facts as they have always been.

Scripture is to be read as words from God. We need to read it as such, and what God is saying all through Revelations is that there will be trouble but God knows the end and God will be the victor. We are to not lose faith and keep to God all through the troubles with absolute faith in Him. This is not told to us in symbolic language, it is plainly written. Just how God will manage the rupture is NOT told us in language that is plainly written without symbolism.

What is written the plainest for us to understand the best was written even before Christ came the first time. God wants us to read all God tells us, but as scripture tells us, to rightly divide it. If the Pharisees had rightly divided what they were told about the way Christ would come the first time, they wouldn't have jumped to their own conclusions about exactly how Christ would come. We are to rightly divide the word about how Christ will come the second time.
 

ZNP

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I did't think I was vague. I am saying that we must accept that we don' t know the exact way God will bring about the end of our world and create a new world, and if we say we are certain we do know the exact way, we are not facing facts as they have always been.

Scripture is to be read as words from God. We need to read it as such, and what God is saying all through Revelations is that there will be trouble but God knows the end and God will be the victor. We are to not lose faith and keep to God all through the troubles with absolute faith in Him. This is not told to us in symbolic language, it is plainly written. Just how God will manage the rupture is NOT told us in language that is plainly written without symbolism.

What is written the plainest for us to understand the best was written even before Christ came the first time. God wants us to read all God tells us, but as scripture tells us, to rightly divide it. If the Pharisees had rightly divided what they were told about the way Christ would come the first time, they wouldn't have jumped to their own conclusions about exactly how Christ would come. We are to rightly divide the word about how Christ will come the second time.
Yes, most teachers of the Bible accept that they do not fully understand the prophecies, that does not mean we can't see in part and it does not mean that we shut our eyes or stop searching.

On the other hand I have seen that occasional person who comes along and tells you with certainty, this will happen and this and this and they give you the timeline and they seem certain they understand the game plan for the entire seven years and yet when you drill down they really don't even know the simplest things. The way I see it the correct path falls between the one side of "no one knows so stop looking" and the other side of the know it all. Both of those groups existed at the Lord's death, they knew He would be born in Bethlehem but were too apathetic to actually go to see for themselves.

However, this process of discovery and investigation is the same process we went through when Christians first realized we were justified by faith, or when they first got into "new life" or in fact with any of the various revivals during the church age. This is how we dug out every truth in the Bible.
 

Blik

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Yes, most teachers of the Bible accept that they do not fully understand the prophecies, that does not mean we can't see in part and it does not mean that we shut our eyes or stop searching.

On the other hand I have seen that occasional person who comes along and tells you with certainty, this will happen and this and this and they give you the timeline and they seem certain they understand the game plan for the entire seven years and yet when you drill down they really don't even know the simplest things. The way I see it the correct path falls between the one side of "no one knows so stop looking" and the other side of the know it all. Both of those groups existed at the Lord's death, they knew He would be born in Bethlehem but were too apathetic to actually go to see for themselves.

However, this process of discovery and investigation is the same process we went through when Christians first realized we were justified by faith, or when they first got into "new life" or in fact with any of the various revivals during the church age. This is how we dug out every truth in the Bible.
Our Lord is a God of balance and common sense, when we tale extreme positions in our interpretation they are often wrong. Frank Sinatra sang "all or nothing at all" but our Lord didn't.
 

ZNP

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Our Lord is a God of balance and common sense, when we tale extreme positions in our interpretation they are often wrong. Frank Sinatra sang "all or nothing at all" but our Lord didn't.
Really? What about a burnt offering? What about the cross of Christ?
 

tanakh

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The world conditions at present are such that it is possible that we are entering the last days
but although many constellations have been long recognised as signs depicting biblical events
the idea that you need telescopes and IT to observe and understand signs seem far fetched. There are millions around the world who don't have the benefit of specialised equipment so what are they supposed to do?
 

Blik

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Really? What about a burnt offering? What about the cross of Christ?
The common sense of the burnt offerings is that they were a symbol of Christ, and Christ is the reality. The cross of Christ is the theme of scripture, starting with Genesis and on through Revelation.