The Torah is Still Binding and We Must Obey It

[FollowerofShiloh]

Magenta, can you tell us what laws God has written in your heart?

When Jesus spoke to the multitudes, every word spoken was not for all who heard, but a few words spoken were for each person there. I think the laws are the same. If we read the laws, some just seem to automatically match our lifestyle. The rest don't even make sense to us. So your question is a very good one

How many times have we heard preaching and thought this is not to me or for me? And then a sentence is said and it's like, ok, that was for me.

 

[vassal]

When Jesus spoke to the multitudes, every word spoken was not for all who heard, but a few words spoken were for each person there. I think the laws are the same. If we read the laws, some just seem to automatically match our lifestyle. The rest don't even make sense to us. So your question is a very good one

How many times have we heard preaching and thought this is not to me or for me? And then a sentence is said and it's like, ok, that was for me.

I understand what you say, to me I know most of the mosaic law cannot be followed today but the commandments can. To me and according to scripture the commandments are special given by GOD directly link;

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-10-commandments-and-the-law-of-moses.214124/

this is why I want to know where they stand in regards to the covenant.

Many say the laws ( do they include the commandments when they are talking about the law of Moses?) are for the Jews only, there are precedents in the O.T. where strangers could join Israel if they wanted to and follow the law and commandments, and become part of Israel. So it is clear it is for everyone that want to, Jews and gentiles. see Exodus 12:43-51

Jesus sent the disciples to preach the gospel to all the world, including all of his teachings about the commandments so yes all gentiles who believe in Him and His father who sent him are included.

Peace.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Here's a covenanted law that suits me just fine.

● Lev 19:32 . . Demonstrate your fear of God by standing up in the presence
of elderly people and showing respect for the aged. I am The Lord.

In the beginning; Adam was made superior to his wife not because of his
gender, rather, because he was the senior of the two. (Gen 3:16 & 1Tim
2:11-13)

Honoring the elders among us carries over to revering God because He too is
an elder among us. God likely doesn't look His age-- except maybe in a
figure of speech, e.g. Dan 7:9 --but we really should keep in mind that He's
among us as not only a better, but also a senior. So we would do well to
step aside for God, carry His bags, and/or hold a door open for Him not only
because he's a deity and a monarch, but also because He's older.
_

 

[vassal]

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Here's a covenanted law that suits me just fine.

● Lev 19:32 . . Demonstrate your fear of God by standing up in the presence
of elderly people and showing respect for the aged. I am The Lord.

In the beginning; Adam was made superior to his wife not because of his
gender, rather, because he was the senior of the two. (Gen 3:16 & 1Tim
2:11-13)

Honoring the elders among us carries over to revering God because He too is
an elder among us. God likely doesn't look His age-- except maybe in a
figure of speech, e.g. Dan 7:9 --but we really should keep in mind that He's
among us as not only a better, but also a senior. So we would do well to
step aside for God, carry His bags, and/or hold a door open for Him not only
because he's a deity and a monarch, but also because He's older.
_

many laws we can follow certainly, Thank you for quoting examples!

Blessings

 

[Dino246]

Many say the laws ... are for the Jews only, there are precedents in the O.T. where strangers could join Israel if they wanted to and follow the law and commandments, and become part of Israel. So it is clear it is for everyone that want to, Jews and gentiles. see Exodus 12:43-51

This is often quoted by Judaizers, who grossly misinterpret the context as you have. Yes, the Law has provision for people who wanted to join with ancient Israel, but you are trying to apply it to a different group of people, for whom the apostles gave only four simple guidelines.

In other words, it doesn't apply.

 

[Webers.Home]

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A really sweet lady on YouTube named Tara-Leigh Cobble put me onto a
covenanted law that's sure to be a hit with feminists:

In ancient Israel, a man's eldest son was automatically his principal heir.

However, a special case arose in the 27th chapter of the book of Numbers
where a man with five daughters died leaving behind no sons to perpetuate
his estate: and the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God
contained no instructions for fathers lacking male heirs.

So the man's daughters consulted Moses for a legal solution to their
deceased father's dilemma, and Moses in turn consulted God. That all
resulted in the creation of a new rule (thus far unheard of in Israel) allowing
a man's daughters to become his principal heirs in the absence of a son. The
only caveat was that the daughters had to marry men within their deceased
father's tribal affiliation to prevent some of his tribe's territory being lost to
outsiders. (Num 36:1-12)

My point is: God took the daughters' side in the matter and Himself
personally stepped up and did right by them; which should help towards
convincing certain women that God isn't the total sexist bigot that the world
sometimes makes Him out to be.
_

 

[vassal]

This is often quoted by Judaizers, who grossly misinterpret the context as you have. Yes, the Law has provision for people who wanted to join with ancient Israel, but you are trying to apply it to a different group of people, for whom the apostles gave only four simple guidelines.

In other words, it doesn't apply.

that is your own opinion.

 

[jamessb]

are you under the new covenant or not at all?

I am under the New Covenant, i.e., I am a Christian (born again, in Christ).

BTW, selecting a few out-of-context verses from Jeremiah doesn't apply.

Are you under the New Covenant?

 

[jamessb]

that is your own opinion.

No, he is right, because that is what the Bible says.

 

[jamessb]

I understand what you say, to me I know most of the mosaic law cannot be followed today but the commandments can. To me and according to scripture the commandments are special given by GOD directly link;

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-10-commandments-and-the-law-of-moses.214124/

this is why I want to know where they stand in regards to the covenant.

Many say the laws ( do they include the commandments when they are talking about the law of Moses?) are for the Jews only, there are precedents in the O.T. where strangers could join Israel if they wanted to and follow the law and commandments, and become part of Israel. So it is clear it is for everyone that want to, Jews and gentiles. see Exodus 12:43-51

Jesus sent the disciples to preach the gospel to all the world, including all of his teachings about the commandments so yes all gentiles who believe in Him and His father who sent him are included.

Peace.

That's some logic! Anyone who is bound by the Old Covenant is under the OT law. Anyone who is saved, i.e., has accepted Jesus as her/his savior, is not bound by the Old Covenant and is not under the OT law.

 

[jamessb]

that is your own opinion.

Of course that is his opinion, but he happens to be right. If you disagree, why did Jesus die? What did it accomplish?

 

[Dino246]

that is your own opinion.

Which happens to be fully consistent with and formulated directly from Scripture.

 

[jamessb]

This is often quoted by Judaizers, who grossly misinterpret the context as you have. Yes, the Law has provision for people who wanted to join with ancient Israel, but you are trying to apply it to a different group of people, for whom the apostles gave only four simple guidelines.

In other words, it doesn't apply.

You are right. vassal is wrong.

 

[Inquisitor]

As for the old covenant, foreigners, hired servants and sojourners could be part of the old covenant, they could follow the Israelites and live with them if they followed the law of Moses; see exodus 24: 43-51

a mistake last paragraph, see Exodus 12: 43-52 not Exodus 24.

That was not the only mistake.

Exodus 12:43
And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the ordinance of the Passover: no foreigner is to eat it. But as for every slave that someone has purchased with money, after you have circumcised him, then he may eat it. A stranger or a hired worker shall not eat it.

Deuteronomy 17:15
You shall in fact appoint a king over you whom the Lord your God chooses. One from among your countrymen you shall appoint as king over yourselves; you may not put a foreigner over yourselves, anyone who is not your countryman.

Deuteronomy 23:20
You may charge interest to a foreigner, but to your countrymen you shall not charge interest.

The old covenant was strictly between Israel and God.

You need to prove that Gentiles were under the law from the Old Testament.

You need to prove that the apostles told the Gentiles they were under the law.

 

[Inquisitor]

Most people don't even obey the posted speed laws, the stop your vehicle to a complete stop at stop sign laws, the move over when someone is on the shoulder of the road law, but in here acting like they can obey God's 613 laws.

This Thread should be in the joke section.

I could not agree more.

We live in an age where no one and including the legislators of the law itself, even attempt to obey the law.

We all are unrighteous, the path of peace we have never known.

I look in the mirror and I see the real culprit.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I could not agree more.

We live in an age where no one and including the legislators of the law itself, even attempt to obey the law.

We all are unrighteous, the path of peace we have never known.

I look in the mirror and I see the real culprit.

Same here Brother.

 

[Inquisitor]

The law was not given to show us how. But to show us how we failed.

No one has kept the law. as jesus said, why do you call me good. no one is good but God.

For some unknown reason they do not understand that they cannot obey the law.

Even Moses got his marching orders.

The law grants the knowledge of sin for us and only Jesus was able to obey the law.

 

[jamessb]

The torah is binding on the Jews only. Let's move on to something worth discussing.

 

[vassal]

Which happens to be fully consistent with and formulated directly from Scripture.

same with me, all I write is from scriptur.

 

[vassal]

I am under the New Covenant, i.e., I am a Christian (born again, in Christ).

BTW, selecting a few out-of-context verses from Jeremiah doesn't apply.

Are you under the New Covenant?

you did not answer which laws are in your heart if you are under the new covenant you should know. Will you answer?