there is a great attack on the Lord Jesus and The Holy Spirit today

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CS1

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many Christians today have a vast amount of disagreement for many doctrinal differences. Yet we have and are able to agree on the essentials of the faith. There is today a very hostel movement in the United States that started in the 1980s with the homosexual agenda. Today less than 40 % call themselves Christian or Identify with the born-again experience.

The hostility to the Godhead and coming from those who are so-called educated in theology and Christian doctrine. They speak of God without reverence or humility. Just like Charles Darwin who had a theological degree but was not accepted sought to grind and ax. This is nothing new.

Today Christians are called racist and there is an open mockery of the Lord Jesus Christ as never before. Biblical illiteracy and no relationship with Christ have hurt the church with those who have not been born again but fooled again. Having a form of godliness but deny the POWER of The Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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22 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
23 they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
24 “The Lord is my portion,” says my soul,
“therefore I will hope in him.”
25 The Lord is good to those who wait for him,
to the soul who seeks him.
26 It is good that one should wait quietly
for the salvation of the Lord.
Lamentations 3

the entire chapter is remarkable
 
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22 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
23 they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
24 “The Lord is my portion,” says my soul,
“therefore I will hope in him.”
25 The Lord is good to those who wait for him,
to the soul who seeks him.
26 It is good that one should wait quietly
for the salvation of the Lord.
Lamentations 3

the entire chapter is remarkable
I don't know if anyone cares but lamentations has got acrostic poems that go by 11,, 22 in the middle part.It was in part to help them remember those scripture.The other part of acrostic scripture is to make the words sweet to our ears, so that our souls can digest them better.
 

Icedaisey

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Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
It was all foretold. It's a test.


20. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and
 
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It was all foretold. It's a test.


20. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and
Hell is evil and people call that good.What gives?
 

arthurfleminger

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Much of the attack against Jesus and the Holy Spirit is coming from our own churches. Our churches are blessing the abominations of gay marriages, pushing forward the LGBT agenda, and fostering the killing of the unborn.

We need to look at ourselves and our churches when we point the finger of blame. For, while we welcome the sinner we have turned against God and welcomed the sin in an attempt to be inclusive.

Our churches are rebelling against God, no two ways about it.

Maybe we have too much confidence in the 'Once saved always saved' doctrine so that we feel free to flaunt our sinfulness in our own churches. Just wonderin?????????????????
 

p_rehbein

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The hostility to the Godhead and coming from those who are so-called educated in theology and Christian doctrine. They speak of God without reverence or humility. Just like Charles Darwin who had a theological degree but was not accepted sought to grind and ax. This is nothing new.
Sadly, there are such as these in the Church itself. Teaching against the Gospel of Jesus, and the Holy Trinity. They replace Jesus and the Trinity with "self enrichment, feel good ideologies."

We expect the world to mock Jesus and Christians because Jesus said they would. That really does not bother me, rather, it is the indifference of many of the professing believers. I see far too much emphasis on "I'm right, your wrong" Theological arguments, and far to little Church unity and focusing on working for the Kingdom.

Every believer is saved for a "purpose." God has "purposed" every one of His children, and we need to be about fulfilling the "purpose" God bestowed His saving grace on us for.

Ephesians, Chapter 2:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

2Timothy, Chapter1:

8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
 

Icedaisey

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Much of the attack against Jesus and the Holy Spirit is coming from our own churches. Our churches are blessing the abominations of gay marriages, pushing forward the LGBT agenda, and fostering the killing of the unborn.

We need to look at ourselves and our churches when we point the finger of blame. For, while we welcome the sinner we have turned against God and welcomed the sin in an attempt to be inclusive.

Our churches are rebelling against God, no two ways about it.

Maybe we have too much confidence in the 'Once saved always saved' doctrine so that we feel free to flaunt our sinfulness in our own churches. Just wonderin?????????????????
What some call OSAS, is actually scripture. So no, I don't believe the reason for churches turning Apostate is because they hold to scripture.

I think the reason for the changes in those churches is due to greed and cowardice. And turning from scripture in tolerating sin.

If they accommodate sinners in a come as you are statement of faith, they'll gain more attendees that otherwise wouldn't be tolerated in their open sin expressions in Bible believing churches.

That accomodation then is more likely to result in those sinners tithing more money in an unconscious act of gratitude.

And also, due to the church accommodating open sin, it reiterates to the gay couple, the Transsexual, that God doesn't judge them nor condemn them as previously thought.

Years ago an abomination was published that reworded the Bible by omitting the so called clobber verses. Those scriptures that condemn sodomy.

There are even websites that uphold homosexuality and Transsexuals as accepted by God.

Pete Buttigieg, former and failed Mayor of South Bend Indiana, said during a debate when gay rights and the Christian perspective were a question, that his Creator made him gay.

Interestingly he also admitted he had a difficult time accepting he was gay when he was young. He also admitted he didn't want to be gay.

Christianity does not teach tolerance for sin.
 
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What some call OSAS, is actually scripture. So no, I don't believe the reason for churches turning Apostate is because they hold to scripture.

I think the reason for the changes in those churches is due to greed and cowardice. And turning from scripture in tolerating sin.

If they accommodate sinners in a come as you are statement of faith, they'll gain more attendees that otherwise wouldn't be tolerated in their open sin expressions in Bible believing churches.

That accomodation then is more likely to result in those sinners tithing more money in an unconscious act of gratitude.

And also, due to the church accommodating open sin, it reiterates to the gay couple, the Transsexual, that God doesn't judge them nor condemn them as previously thought.

Years ago an abomination was published that reworded the Bible by omitting the so called clobber verses. Those scriptures that condemn sodomy.

There are even websites that uphold homosexuality and Transsexuals as accepted by God.

Pete Buttigieg, former and failed Mayor of South Bend Indiana, said during a debate when gay rights and the Christian perspective were a question, that his Creator made him gay.

Interestingly he also admitted he had a difficult time accepting he was gay when he was young. He also admitted he didn't want to be gay.

PB, who ran against Biden for the presidential nomination is now serving in Videos administration. Transportation Secretary, if not mistaken.

He announced in August that he and his husband are going to adopt a baby.

Those Apostate churches adopting the ecclesiastical viewpoint of go along to get along are in for a surprise when their leaders, to be held to a higher standard than the laity, when face to face with God.


Christianity does not teach tolerance for sin.
It's never that that a man chose Steve over Eve,There's a deeper evil going on there.
 

CS1

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Much of the attack against Jesus and the Holy Spirit is coming from our own churches. Our churches are blessing the abominations of gay marriages, pushing forward the LGBT agenda, and fostering the killing of the unborn.

We need to look at ourselves and our churches when we point the finger of blame. For, while we welcome the sinner we have turned against God and welcomed the sin in an attempt to be inclusive.

Our churches are rebelling against God, no two ways about it.

Maybe we have too much confidence in the 'Once saved always saved' doctrine so that we feel free to flaunt our sinfulness in our own churches. Just wonderin?????????????????
I agree we must look at ourselves first, then to the body collectively
 

arthurfleminger

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Much of the attack against Jesus and the Holy Spirit is coming from our own churches. Our churches are blessing the abominations of gay marriages, pushing forward the LGBT agenda, and fostering the killing of the unborn.

We need to look at ourselves and our churches when we point the finger of blame. For, while we welcome the sinner we have turned against God and welcomed the sin in an attempt to be inclusive.

Our churches are rebelling against God, no two ways about it.

Maybe we have too much confidence in the 'Once saved always saved' doctrine so that we feel free to flaunt our sinfulness in our own churches. Just wonderin?????????????????

So, where did our churches go wrong and turn from God, Jesus, the Spirit, and Scripture, creating abominations in their places of worship and then offering the abominations up to God? Something really really wrong here. If your denomination is offering gay marriage, supporting the LGBT agenda, supporting the killing of the unborn you need to raise your voice and demand your church return to God and Scripture.

Churches aren't saving any souls by leading their congregations down the path to perdition. We need to correct our churches/denominations.
 

CS1

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Sadly, there are such as these in the Church itself. Teaching against the Gospel of Jesus, and the Holy Trinity. They replace Jesus and the Trinity with "self enrichment, feel good ideologies."

We expect the world to mock Jesus and Christians because Jesus said they would. That really does not bother me, rather, it is the indifference of many of the professing believers. I see far too much emphasis on "I'm right, your wrong" Theological arguments, and far to little Church unity and focusing on working for the Kingdom.

Every believer is saved for a "purpose." God has "purposed" every one of His children, and we need to be about fulfilling the "purpose" God bestowed His saving grace on us for.

Ephesians, Chapter 2:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

2Timothy, Chapter1:

8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
there are some tares we must contend with amen.

There are many issues that the church is going to need persecution to snap it back :)

  1. preaching defensive Gospel instead of an offensive one. I might offend people and lose my congregation.
  2. the vast amount of biblical illiteracy in many churches today
  3. No Prayer life
  4. discouragement
  5. information overload where many seek fast revelation from Youtube instead of getting alone and seeking God.
  6. the spirit of anti-christ
 

arthurfleminger

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So, where did our churches go wrong and turn from God, Jesus, the Spirit, and Scripture, creating abominations in their places of worship and then offering the abominations up to God? Something really really wrong here. If your denomination is offering gay marriage, supporting the LGBT agenda, supporting the killing of the unborn you need to raise your voice and demand your church return to God and Scripture.

Churches aren't saving any souls by leading their congregations down the path to perdition. We need to correct our churches/denominations.

So, who's to blame for our churches leaving the teachings of Jesus and Scripture. I suggest three main culprits, Satan, faithless pastors, and look in the mirror for the third.
 
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What is missing is the advent of " seeker friendly" churches a few years ago.

But beyond that, Jesus laid the pattern down.

" go get the power FIRST....Then AFTER YOU RECIEVE THE POWER....PROCEDE"

When is the last time you saw the worship leader lead the congregation into the Holy of Holies???????
 

arthurfleminger

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there are some tares we must contend with amen.

There are many issues that the church is going to need persecution to snap it back :)

  1. preaching defensive Gospel instead of an offensive one. I might offend people and lose my congregation.
  2. the vast amount of biblical illiteracy in many churches today
  3. No Prayer life
  4. discouragement
  5. information overload where many seek fast revelation from Youtube instead of getting alone and seeking God.
  6. the spirit of anti-christ
You are correct. Many of our churches have left the Gospel of Jesus for belief in political correctness. There is no sin anymore, we are all sinless. It's somebody else's fault for the ills of the world. You're okay and I'm okay. Political correctness to draw in larger congregations, at the expense of the Gospel.
 

CS1

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So, who's to blame for our churches leaving the teachings of Jesus and Scripture. I suggest three main culprits, Satan, faithless pastors, and look in the mirror for the third.
I AGREE :) it should start with you and I and ensure our house is in order :)
 

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So, where did our churches go wrong and turn from God, Jesus, the Spirit, and Scripture, creating abominations in their places of worship and then offering the abominations up to God? Something really really wrong here. If your denomination is offering gay marriage, supporting the LGBT agenda, supporting the killing of the unborn you need to raise your voice and demand your church return to God and Scripture.

Churches aren't saving any souls by leading their congregations down the path to perdition. We need to correct our churches/denominations.
"This is that form of Godliness that denies the power thereof" that the Apostle Paul warned us about certainly. I like to call it the fake "Jesus love movement". They are actors who have not truly been borne again yet! They are at most baby Christians who are acting like agents of the Lord! :(

" 2 Timothy Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


The church has reduced the Lord to a mere "feel good sentiment" for "weddings" "get togethers" and heavily mingled "pagan holidays". They have effectively tried to reduce Him to a "mascot" character like on the various cereal boxes that we see... They do not recognize Him as a multi faceted being who you carry on a genuine relationship with. A relationship you will have ups and downs with just like any other relationship because of our inherent sin nature. Just look at the apostles and Moses, Gideon and Samson from the book of Judges and even Elijah for examples of this!

GOD is so much more than just love and grace! He is also a GREAT Teacher and Heavenly Father. And both do not always do the things "we necessarily want" or say the things we necessarily want to "hear". They are done in our long term "best interest". This is because He knows EVERYTHING whereas we do not. An evangelist once told me in great wisdom He knows the "end from the beginning"; this is despite me being their senior. He is the Alpha and Omega.

Via recognizing and celebrating pagan holidays like halloween. Allowing false god symbolism in entertainment like video games, movies, and occultic trading cards. Allowing the public education sector to remove GOD from the education curriculum and replacing it instead with various studies in fake mythologies and false religions and worldy topics like shakespeare... Idol worship has been allowed to now go digital thanks to technological advances and is even found in seemingly obsecure topics such as graffiti... The powers that be try to sell us false symbolisms as major clothing brands that are supposedly trending. Effectively, instead of reproving the sin as the churches were designed to do; they seek now instead to compromise with the worldly sin in many ways...

They deny the LORD as a omnipotent person, because yes HE is "Love" and "Grace". Yet, HE is also HOLY HOLY HOLY! A almighty cosmic judge, creator of all things, and protector of all things! :) HE despises sin greatly despite loving the sinners who do it. Hence, why were called to leave Babylon. That tired old wicked occultic evil that just refuses to stay dead throughout history! Were called to repent of our ignorance and help in seeing Babylon be buried once and for all. If the churches truly loved GOD they would go before the seven mountains of influence collectively and see them occupied as we were originally tasked to do. Sadly this was collectively ignored unfortunately.

I don't know about the rest of you. The day Babylon is gone forever cannot come soon enough because those deceived by her promises is not happiness, self preservation, interesting, purposeful, meaningful collectivism, good and fair labor practices, or even fun... It is a path of utter defilement, pain, suffering, sadness, torment, endless divisions, instability, collecting of useless things, surrendering of personal freedom of choices, serfdom, blessings that come always with added sorrows, and is destined to always fail because it is based in well articulated glossed LIES!

Hope some of this input will proof beneficial to some. Praise be to GOD! The almighty Godhead. Who is our eternal promised victory and overcoming of all things evil forever. We got crazy days ahead, however; at the end of this crazy time. He awaits to take us to the next level.

Something so much better than what we have settled for our entire existences. Stay strong and remember to ask yourselves everyday "what can I do today?" "What is it I can do to take another small strike at the weakening pillars of Babylon and her foundations?" "What would please my Heavenly Father?"

Hope those points offer better perspective of the days were stuck living in for a time.
 
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SophieT

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you know, the reason I posted that scripture from Lamentations 3, is because the state of Israel could not have been worse and Jeremiah is known as the 'weeping prophet'

In spite of all the horror around him, he still hopes in God. Yes, we all complain, many of us, as we see what is going on around us and the apparent decline of Christianity

we know that the Bible tells us that it will become worse and not better....nonetheless, I am sure we all would like things to 'get better'

so again, it is ONLY through the Lords' mercies we are not consumed. frankly, I do not know how those who have no hope in God go through their day. I myself cannot....literally cannot...watch too much news anymore because it is disgusting to see what is going on in this country and how it is being systematically destroyed. I get angry and say things I later apologize to God for saying

I find it very upsetting...the border, illegals running around without any vaccine and carrying covid around the country, the mandates for Americans while hundreds of thousands are just let go and not even tested, the terrible decisions being made and the lies, lies, and more lies.

read Lamentations and tell me it does not sound familiar. Jeremiah's prophecies fell on deaf ears and hard hearts....those prophesying great movements of God are coming and the sons of God are going to be 'manifest' (I am so tired of that word) are LYING. they are deceived. again, read Jeremiah

but God's steadfast love never ceases. He is faithful and merciful and our portion. He is good to those who wait for Him...to those who put their hope in Him. Every morning everything He is, is still here. I guess I speak to myself as much as to anyone else

that is why I quoted from Lamentations 3. God gives me hope and He is the steadfast One in this storm

Great, is His faithfulness.
 
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SophieT

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oh one more thing

God (well the Holy Spirit who indwells believers) did kind of gently say to me that if I would pray every time I get angry or fearful (I tend to get angry more) instead of saying those things I later apologize for, it would accomplish more

instead of complaining (and I am not knocking anyone here...I speak to myself first) prayer would benefit and not take any more time than my complaint