there is a great attack on the Lord Jesus and The Holy Spirit today

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Aidan1

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many Christians today have a vast amount of disagreement for many doctrinal differences. Yet we have and are able to agree on the essentials of the faith. There is today a very hostel movement in the United States that started in the 1980s with the homosexual agenda. Today less than 40 % call themselves Christian or Identify with the born-again experience.

The hostility to the Godhead and coming from those who are so-called educated in theology and Christian doctrine. They speak of God without reverence or humility. Just like Charles Darwin who had a theological degree but was not accepted sought to grind and ax. This is nothing new.

Today Christians are called racist and there is an open mockery of the Lord Jesus Christ as never before. Biblical illiteracy and no relationship with Christ have hurt the church with those who have not been born again but fooled again. Having a form of godliness but deny the POWER of The Lord Jesus Christ.
Why you wonder, this is that what our Lord told and his disciples taught.
 

de-emerald

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many Christians today have a vast amount of disagreement for many doctrinal differences. Yet we have and are able to agree on the essentials of the faith. There is today a very hostel movement in the United States that started in the 1980s with the homosexual agenda. Today less than 40 % call themselves Christian or Identify with the born-again experience.

The hostility to the Godhead and coming from those who are so-called educated in theology and Christian doctrine. They speak of God without reverence or humility. Just like Charles Darwin who had a theological degree but was not accepted sought to grind and ax. This is nothing new.

Today Christians are called racist and there is an open mockery of the Lord Jesus Christ as never before. Biblical illiteracy and no relationship with Christ have hurt the church with those who have not been born again but fooled again. Having a form of godliness but deny the POWER of The Lord Jesus Christ.
yes its happened befor over the ages one faith after the next have all fallen. Christianity will be no different, the truth is all tho christianity will stand for years to come so will all the other faiths.. and in some aspects theese different faiths have all been set to to war against each other. and thats it the whole world is decieved with devision of religion. now the new war is lets call the christians racist because there religions says they should forgive sin but they wont accept sinners. the devil has it all sown up you can bet your bottom dollar he Has all gay people possessed and they dont know it. but sadly tho CS1 he has a lot of the church possessed to, the amount of chrsitians addicted to drugs is very high
 

CS1

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yes its happened befor over the ages one faith after the next have all fallen. Christianity will be no different, the truth is all tho christianity will stand for years to come so will all the other faiths.. and in some aspects theese different faiths have all been set to to war against each other. and thats it the whole world is decieved with devision of religion. now the new war is lets call the christians racist because there religions says they should forgive sin but they wont accept sinners. the devil has it all sown up you can bet your bottom dollar he Has all gay people possessed and they dont know it. but sadly tho CS1 he has a lot of the church possessed to, the amount of Christians addicted to drugs is very high

the issue of today unlike 30 years ago the system has global persecution outreach were before it is at this region or that country, no more. I disagree with the church won't accept sinners the church cannot accept Practicing sin.

Many teachings today say you can remain in sin. Yes, there are those addicted true, many have bought into the lie of recreational weed. having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. We must stay faithful to the end. But to don't that to the frozen chosen LOL.
 
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many Christians today have a vast amount of disagreement for many doctrinal differences. Yet we have and are able to agree on the essentials of the faith. There is today a very hostel movement in the United States that started in the 1980s with the homosexual agenda. Today less than 40 % call themselves Christian or Identify with the born-again experience.

The hostility to the Godhead and coming from those who are so-called educated in theology and Christian doctrine. They speak of God without reverence or humility. Just like Charles Darwin who had a theological degree but was not accepted sought to grind and ax. This is nothing new.

Today Christians are called racist and there is an open mockery of the Lord Jesus Christ as never before. Biblical illiteracy and no relationship with Christ have hurt the church with those who have not been born again but fooled again. Having a form of godliness but deny the POWER of The Lord Jesus Christ.
The "falling away" as prophesied by our Lord (Matt 24:10) by Paul (2 Thess 2) by John (1 John 2:18)

Just as the Holy Spirit calls us out of darkness and translates us into the Kingdom of God

So also does the spirit of antichrist call to his own and therefore they depart from the earthly santuary of truth - God's word.

They were never abiding in Christ but they were in the truth that God gave to them of Him as the Creator & the Holy Scriptures.

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared.
This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not belong to us.
For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.

NOTE: They were in the truth of who God is but not IN CHRIST. Head knowledge vs Spiritual New Birth

You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. - James 2:19
 

de-emerald

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Unless im mistaken not all sects of christian have accepted gay marriage so that would not be accepting thos who want to carry on living in sin,,all tho gay people would not call there sex sin they would call it love for each other. and some would probably even say dont knock it until youve tried it and now theres many many gay people kissing in public and coming out of there closet its only going to breed more gay people. but in the context of the church accepting sinners yes it does. and that is how it is for most churches. im all for close freindships and i dont mind huging my brothers and being close even walking shoulder to shoulder. but seariously i believe the reason why there are so many gay people is because cheribum who can take up the apearance of people are niether male or female i believe there created beings and cant multiply and are a kind of unisex creature. i believe this is why when they possess people or oppress people, this is when they start developing gay fanatasies over and over in the head until they give in to temptation, of adultery but the at argument would be adultery also applies to other sex being a sin so why just apply rules to gay people,

the gay movement in the church is also about gay people not just being about sex but loving friends that should should be able tomarry each other. meaning there no different to a marrried couple who dont have sex befor marriage but what does the church vicar say to replace you can now kiss the bride ?. I think this was a reason churches have allowed gat marriage. With the rule same sex marriage can marry each other on the bases they are not having sex with each other ?
 

wattie

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Much of the attack against Jesus and the Holy Spirit is coming from our own churches. Our churches are blessing the abominations of gay marriages, pushing forward the LGBT agenda, and fostering the killing of the unborn.

We need to look at ourselves and our churches when we point the finger of blame. For, while we welcome the sinner we have turned against God and welcomed the sin in an attempt to be inclusive.

Our churches are rebelling against God, no two ways about it.

Maybe we have too much confidence in the 'Once saved always saved' doctrine so that we feel free to flaunt our sinfulness in our own churches. Just wonderin?????????????????
Well the once saved always saved doctrine is all about Jesus' grace, love and commitment to a believer. What's the reasonable response to that ?

Eternal security promotes faithfulness, not rebellion, because the believer knows the sacrifice given to them.

That's the ideal. But of course to be faithful now is going completely against the flow of today's culture. That's why I think we see unfaithfulness because the walk is getting narrower and narrower and biblical teaching rarerer
 

CS1

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Unless im mistaken not all sects of christian have accepted gay marriage so that would not be accepting thos who want to carry on living in sin,,all tho gay people would not call there sex sin they would call it love for each other. and some would probably even say dont knock it until youve tried it and now theres many many gay people kissing in public and coming out of there closet its only going to breed more gay people. but in the context of the church accepting sinners yes it does. and that is how it is for most churches. im all for close freindships and i dont mind huging my brothers and being close even walking shoulder to shoulder. but seariously i believe the reason why there are so many gay people is because cheribum who can take up the apearance of people are niether male or female i believe there created beings and cant multiply and are a kind of unisex creature. i believe this is why when they possess people or oppress people, this is when they start developing gay fanatasies over and over in the head until they give in to temptation, of adultery but the at argument would be adultery also applies to other sex being a sin so why just apply rules to gay people,

the gay movement in the church is also about gay people not just being about sex but loving friends that should should be able tomarry each other. meaning there no different to a marrried couple who dont have sex befor marriage but what does the church vicar say to replace you can now kiss the bride ?. I think this was a reason churches have allowed gat marriage. With the rule same sex marriage can marry each other on the bases they are not having sex with each other ?
that is correct we do not accept gay marriage nor will I perform a ceremony for one. If I did my credentialing would be canceled.
 

arthurfleminger

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Well the once saved always saved doctrine is all about Jesus' grace, love and commitment to a believer. What's the reasonable response to that ?

Eternal security promotes faithfulness, not rebellion, because the believer knows the sacrifice given to them.

That's the ideal. But of course to be faithful now is going completely against the flow of today's culture. That's why I think we see unfaithfulness because the walk is getting narrower and narrower and biblical teaching rarerer
I don't agree with 'once saved always saved' but I definitely agree with you that, "to be faithful now is going completely against the flow of today's culture." It is so much easier to try and fit in to the ways of the world than the ways of the Gospel. I paraphrase Scripture, The road to salvation is hard to find, narrow and difficult. Few will find it. The road to damnation/perdition is wide and many will follow that path.

Many want to fit in to this world and will give up their Christian beliefs to do so. But Jesus prayed that while His disciples be in the world, that they be not of the world, that they follow His ways and not the ways of the world.
 

Blik

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Few today have faith in the teachings of Christ. If a Christian has money enough for either a new car or to insure the homeless can eat, most choose the new car. If a Christian is insulted and someone becomes their enemy, the reactions of a Christian is not to befriend that person but to stand up for their rights. When a Christian tells you he lives by faith, he does not mean he lives by faith in all Jesus tells him, but it means he lives by faith in that Jesus can forgive his sins.

Christ asks we turn our backs on the ways of the world for their burdens are heavy. It is hours and hours at our jobs, hours in the gym, all that time a woman spends working on her face, hours spent on making the home attractive. Christ said "my burdens are light" but most Christians spend more time on the burdens of the world.

You know the occult is in our movies and TV for you see about witches and the dead alive on earth, but I challenge you to ask the net to research findings about this occult in the media. Few Christian homes ban TV.
 

de-emerald

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that is correct we do not accept gay marriage nor will I perform a ceremony for one. If I did my credentialing would be canceled.
i was born in Anchorage alaska and raised in the uk and now living in new york ive met so many different perspectives on christianity that at times its had my head spinning, The bigest problem i see is the the two types of advasary we have and the understanding we have of this. from my studies i see many sides not recognising we have two types of advasary
 

Evmur

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Much of the attack against Jesus and the Holy Spirit is coming from our own churches. Our churches are blessing the abominations of gay marriages, pushing forward the LGBT agenda, and fostering the killing of the unborn.

We need to look at ourselves and our churches when we point the finger of blame. For, while we welcome the sinner we have turned against God and welcomed the sin in an attempt to be inclusive.

Our churches are rebelling against God, no two ways about it.

Maybe we have too much confidence in the 'Once saved always saved' doctrine so that we feel free to flaunt our sinfulness in our own churches. Just wonderin?????????????????
My observation shows me that the churches who hold fast to the doctrines of predestination and election are the churches that are holding steady.
 

CS1

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i was born in Anchorage alaska and raised in the uk and now living in new york ive met so many different perspectives on christianity that at times its had my head spinning, The bigest problem i see is the the two types of advasary we have and the understanding we have of this. from my studies i see many sides not recognising we have two types of advasary
well in the context of marriage it is only as God ordained it to be. That is found in genesis 2:4 and Jesus reaffirmed it in the Gospels.

“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

God has not changed is His position on marriage even if those in the "church" do.
 

SteveEpperson

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Today less than 40 % call themselves Christian or Identify with the born-again experience.
I think anything above 19% is optimistic.

he hostility to the Godhead and coming from those who are so-called educated in theology and Christian doctrine. They speak of God without reverence or humility.
You hit the nail on the head. There is a lot of irreverence even in the so-called sanctuaries. You also have enormous stadium churches making a circus out of worship services.

But nothing drives me crazier than witnessing a pastor with his hands in his pockets— or worse, checking his text messages— while everyone else has their hands in the air to God.

Maybe we should go back to calling pastors reverends so they know they are revered and should act like it. And also, it may foster a bit of reverence for the Almighty as well.
 

SteveEpperson

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The hostility to the Godhead and coming from those who are so-called educated in theology and Christian doctrine. They speak of God without reverence or humility. Just like Charles Darwin who had a theological degree but was not accepted sought to grind and ax. This is nothing new.
Sadly, there are such as these in the Church itself.
Personally, I think that stems from too many sermons and too much preaching. The last study from Pew Research showed that there were over 7,000 sermons online. And surprisingly, that covered only two months in 2019.

Also, that study showed only the sermons that were made available through transcripts. So it didn't even cover all the YouTube videos. So for that reason, you have to assume that in 2021, there are currently tens of thousands of sermons made available online through several media venues.

You wouldn't think this would be a problem. However, as a professional online content creator, I know firsthand that there's a tremendous amount of pressure to create fresh content. After all, it helps your site rank better.

And I believe pastors and the ministries they lead are succumbing to this pressure to create new content. So, that could explain why you hear pastors preaching the Gospel with a "new twist." They're trying to convey evergreen content (the word of God) with a fresh approach for the newer generations.

Unfortunately, they are also pushing the boundaries of God's Word. For that reason, I would like to see our pastors put down the microphone, pick up their phones, and make appointments to visit people in their homes. Only then will spiritual orphans left behind by the church begin to heal and become productive for the Kingdom of Heaven.
 

CS1

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I think anything above 19% is optimistic.



You hit the nail on the head. There is a lot of irreverence even in the so-called sanctuaries. You also have enormous stadium churches making a circus out of worship services.

But nothing drives me crazier than witnessing a pastor with his hands in his pockets— or worse, checking his text messages— while everyone else has their hands in the air to God.

Maybe we should go back to calling pastors reverends so they know they are revered and should act like it. And also, it may foster a bit of reverence for the Almighty as well.
You know, I have NEVER SEEN THE TEXT THING AS PEOPLE WORSHIP at the pulpit.
 

SteveEpperson

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Probably does not happen
So, I'm assuming you base that information on these facts:

  1. You've known me all my life
  2. You've been in every church I've attended
  3. You've been with me for every service
  4. You've traveled to every country I've been to
  5. You know all the people I do
However, if any of these points are missing from your bold assertion, it just becomes another juvenile attack on one of the adults here on this site.
 

Pilgrimshope

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many Christians today have a vast amount of disagreement for many doctrinal differences. Yet we have and are able to agree on the essentials of the faith. There is today a very hostel movement in the United States that started in the 1980s with the homosexual agenda. Today less than 40 % call themselves Christian or Identify with the born-again experience.

The hostility to the Godhead and coming from those who are so-called educated in theology and Christian doctrine. They speak of God without reverence or humility. Just like Charles Darwin who had a theological degree but was not accepted sought to grind and ax. This is nothing new.

Today Christians are called racist and there is an open mockery of the Lord Jesus Christ as never before. Biblical illiteracy and no relationship with Christ have hurt the church with those who have not been born again but fooled again. Having a form of godliness but deny the POWER of The Lord Jesus Christ.
we have parted from the words of the good shepherd the teachings of God the true Gospel of the kingdom

, and created our own versions of truth and renamed it the gospel and preach that instead of the gospel. And the church is differing greatly because of it