There Will Be No Future Millennium On This Earth, A False Teaching Of Man

[Pilgrimshope]

I see We all have different styles of sharing! This is most likely a good thing,
as some need lengthy explanations, while others appreciate shorter replies.

yes that was sort of my point I love when people have good substance and explain thoroughly

others don’t like that they want short concise summary or conclusions

there’s all types of presentation here short , lengthy , in between in the sweet spot . My point t in replying was instead of finding things to complain and argue about like “ too long “ why not interact with the ones we find value in like if I want short posts find some I agree with or find interesting and interact

seems counterproductive to complain about how someone presents thier point rather than looking at the point

it doesn’t always make sense to others but seems to , to me

this place could be a great benefit to our studies but also we can make it a hindrance and battle field of scriptire and complaints against each other

 

[pottersclay]

These kind of post is why i pray that God will send back paul harvey....so we will know theeee rest of the story.

Good day.

 

[Evmur]

There is no 1000 year reign of Christ on this earth, as espoused by the majority, if not almost all of Christiandom.

What does that mean if not exactly what the bible has said about the last days.
As in the days of Noah so shall it be in the end.

Really it means that Satan has pulled the wool over the entire earth (world) starting from 2000 years ago.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Any man who believe in this falacy and who would enter the kingdom of God would have to go back to square one and to tell the honest truth, it appears really to be too late to be doing that, as it was for the 5 foolish virgins.

But what is impossible with man is possible with God. (Like a camel going through the eye of a needle.)

I think it is a minority view that Christ will indeed reign on this earth during a thousand years

... a minority of which I am one

 

[JAPOV]

I think it is a minority view that Christ will indeed reign on this earth during a thousand years

... a minority of which I am one

God plus one IS a majority

 

[Evmur]

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelations 20:1-6 the living and the dead

The devil will be bound for a thousand years so that he may deceive no more until the thousand years are up, then he will be loosed and shall deceive the nations .... these events take place on earth.

 

[Evmur]

The fact is powder, the whole concept of Millennialism is built on Rev 20:1-6 and the words (thousand years)

As has been clearly shown, no earthly Kingdom or mortal humans are seen so what do the Millennialist do next?

They run you to Isaiah 11 & 65, also Zechariah 14 and they claim this is a description of their Millennial Kingdom (False)

The chapters in Isaiah & Zechariah are the (Eternal Kingdom) in the New Heaven and Earth

Just as dispensationalism uses the second coming and they claim a pre-trib rapture (A Lie)

Millennialist take the (Eternal Kingdom) seen in the Old Testament, and claim it's a Millennial Kingdom On This Earth (A Lie)

(Beware)!

Many Millennialist teach Jesus is going to return to earth, starting his Millennial rule from Jerusalem, taking a throne of David, amongst mortal humans?

This will be the future Antichrist (Beware) Millennualism is paving the way for this future (Man of Sin)

Folks as don't believe in the Mill see it nowhere in scripture, those of us who DO believe see it everywhere.

The Kingdom of God/Heaven IS the 1000 years reign.

When Jesus came apreaching "the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand" every single Jew knew exactly what He meant, that's why they came running.

The primitive church believed that when Jesus returned it was to reign, the creation would be SET FREE from it's bondage to decay.

The RCC [surprise surprise] decided to drop the doctrine and adopt the amillennial doctrine in the 4th century.

 

[Evmur]

There is no such thing as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth found in scripture, where Jesus Christ rules amongst mortal humans on this earth.

This false teaching is preparing the way for the future (Man Of Sin/Antichrist), that will see a human man proclaiming to be Messiah God in Jerusalem.

Jesus Christ wont be found anywhere upon this earth, and he warned his followers of the false teaching found in Millennialism

"Go Not Forth" Believe It Not"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

... so you believe some of Revelations 20 is to be interpreted literally and some to be dismissed as a fairy tale.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I agree that the thousand year reign is in the heavenly kingdom I think a lot of people miss that when Christ was taken into heaven the kingdom is established in heaven , and the earth is filled with Satan and his minions to go to war with man . And those who overcome the world through Christ , then have thier spirits saved into the heavenly kingdom and await the second resurrection at the end when Christ returns

Amillennialism is DENIAL of Christ's second coming - which is as literal and realistic as His first. Over the centuries before the birth of Christ, most rabbis had reached to a conclusion that the first coming of Christ was just poetic, figurative speech, they thought that was a "spiritual" revival of Israel. Today's amillennialists and idealists are just repeating the same mistake.

 

[Nehemiah6]

.. so you believe some of Revelations 20 is to be interpreted literally and some to be dismissed as a fairy tale.

That is his modus operandi.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The RCC [surprise surprise] decided to drop the doctrine and adopt the amillennial doctrine in the 4th century

Yeah, and ironically, RCC did have about a thousand years of reign in western europe from the fall of the Roman Empire to the Protestant Reformation.

 

[kenallen]

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Not worth the time to reply

 

[pablocito]

How does that very long post relate to the topic?

Jesus was a real person, a real man.
But every man has 2 parts a visible part and an invisible part. (Well I think it is much more complex, but we accept by faith what the bible, which is the words of God who is a Spirit and which is truth commands us to believe.

Most people cannot accept the bible as God's word and that is the reason for their inability to move forward with God. They believe that God's servants wrote the bible but that man himself introduces subtle subjective subtleties into the word with we have to account for by making adjustments or whatever.

God's word is brought to us by the Spirit (Prophets or Apostles who were filled with the Spirit or whoever God chooses)

Also God's word can only be opened or understood by the Spirit of God with inhabits us. (Also called the comforter or the Spirit of Truth.

Thus it is encrypted both when being written and then also when being read or understood. (The natural man does not have a chance of accessing that information)

All men have a spirit, their own spirit given to them by God and it is this spirit which communicates with the Spirit of God and enlightens them to the things of God.

Thus we were talking about 2 parts the invisible and visible. The spirit of man is invisible, just as my breath is invisible. Now the other part, the visible, is the flesh.

If we walk in the flesh we cannot communicate with God, period. The flesh is carnal and is enmity with God. The words of the bible are Spirit and when we believe them, and take steps to adhere to them then we will start our journey with the One true God.

To be sure it is a trillion times more complex than that because God's ways are not our ways and His ways are past finding out. He has made things simple for us by giving us the tool of faith.

The more we use that tool of faith the closer that we become to God and God is able to reveal his secrets to us. Yes, the bible is a trap to the unwary and to the simple-minded who has no regard for God or his Word.

 

[pablocito]

Thanks for the response

Tolerance is God's desired goal for us?

Matthew 10:33-34KJV
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

In Micah 6:8, it states that God's purpose for us is to be just, show mercy and walk humbly with Him.

Also Jesus states that we should be wise as a serpent, (the serpent was the most cunning beast of the field, but at the same time to be gentle as a dove)

God's word is past finding out, do not try to second guess it but rather let God be God and let his Spirit work through you.
Jesus told Peter in John 21:18, he would chose to go his own way early in life, but that later Peter would hold out his hand and be led into places that he would not have chosen to go on his own.

I will leave one thing with you. Moses lifted up the serpent on a pole so that whoever was bitten by a serpent would live when they looked up to the serpent on the pole.

This is a trap. In 2nd Thess 2:11, Paul says - And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God's ways are very perfect and true and the only way to access them is by your total sincerity to the word of God, the truth, else you will be deceived and brought down.

 

[pablocito]

In Micah 6:8, it states that God's purpose for us is to be just, show mercy and walk humbly with Him.

Also Jesus states that we should be wise as a serpent, (the serpent was the most cunning beast of the field, but at the same time to be gentle as a dove)

God's word is past finding out, do not try to second guess it but rather let God be God and let his Spirit work through you.
Jesus told Peter in John 21:18, he would chose to go his own way early in life, but that later Peter would hold out his hand and be led into places that he would not have chosen to go on his own.

I will leave one thing with you. Moses lifted up the serpent on a pole so that whoever was bitten by a serpent would live when they looked up to the serpent on the pole.

This is a trap. In 2nd Thess 2:11, Paul says - And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God's ways are very perfect and true and the only way to access them is by your total sincerity to the word of God, the truth, else you will be deceived and brought down.

 

[pablocito]

Jesus brought a sword and it is presently being wielded from his throne in heaven. Yes, Jesus is judging mankind with his saints in heaven (ruling with a rod of iron), Rev 3:27. His wrath has come and has been here for the almost 2,000 years since he ascended into heaven.

This is a very controversial topic and I would rather not get into debates because of the state of affairs in the world where all have been deceived. (Rev 13:8)

Truly we are in the days of Noah where all have been blinded or deceived and as John says this is the last time. The Jews never came out of their blindness and were all destroyed and only those whose names are written in the book of life are able to see the things that are upon us right now.

The blind are in the state where they are all saying "Peace and Safety" , but "Sudden destruction will come upon them"

Truly it is not how hard you study the bible, if you have been blinded, but rather it is whether you have the Spirit of God within you. (1st John 2:27)

God's ways are past finding out.

 

[pablocito]

I think it is a minority view that Christ will indeed reign on this earth during a thousand years

... a minority of which I am one

The problem here is a problem of time. Christ is ruling from his throne in heaven at this moment. All power and dominion has be given to him by his father and he is ruling with a rod of Iron. Rev 15:11.

Well, it really is not a problem of time but rather one of laziness. It is easier to put your life into the hands of Rhode scholars and Phd's who spend a lifetime studying the bible, rather than putting your own life into your own hands and approaching God personally and getting it from the horses mouth.

He who follows another will fall into the same hole (ditch) that the one that he is following, falls into.

The bible is too complex to risk putting your life into a man's hand, a stranger's even your mother's or father's.
And also truly if that man was able to be right, he could not transfer his belief from his head to your head. You have to have your own. The guy who entered through the back door did not have on the proper gown and was thrown out into outer darkness.

Yes, you have to have your own gown of righteousness.

A person cannot guess their way into heaven. Truly, you are either righteous or corrupt, and it is God who can see the contents of the heart.

There is only one way, God's way or the highway. (Not another man's way)

We are not living in the church age where God appointed a Moses or a Paul to teach and lead. No. The pharisees led the Israelites into a ditch and God has to send John the baptist to get them out before he came and smite the earth with a curse. (Malachi 4: 5&6)

 

[HatedForNoReason]

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

https://testallthings.com/2009/01/10/a-study-of-revelation-chapter-20-verses-1-to-3/

 

[HatedForNoReason]

Jesus brought a sword and it is presently being wielded from his throne in heaven. Yes, Jesus is judging mankind with his saints in heaven (ruling with a rod of iron), Rev 3:27. His wrath has come and has been here for the almost 2,000 years since he ascended into heaven.

This is a very controversial topic and I would rather not get into debates because of the state of affairs in the world where all have been deceived. (Rev 13:8)

Truly we are in the days of Noah where all have been blinded or deceived and as John says this is the last time. The Jews never came out of their blindness and were all destroyed and only those whose names are written in the book of life are able to see the things that are upon us right now.

The blind are in the state where they are all saying "Peace and Safety" , but "Sudden destruction will come upon them"

Truly it is not how hard you study the bible, if you have been blinded, but rather it is whether you have the Spirit of God within you. (1st John 2:27)

God's ways are past finding out.

Peace and Safety relates to the earthly one world government, the last bang of Satan's attempt of tower of babel. He is going to enjoy while it last because Satan knows he is going to be thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[Wansvic]

Folks as don't believe in the Mill see it nowhere in scripture, those of us who DO believe see it everywhere.

The Kingdom of God/Heaven IS the 1000 years reign.

When Jesus came apreaching "the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand" every single Jew knew exactly what He meant, that's why they came running.

The primitive church believed that when Jesus returned it was to reign, the creation would be SET FREE from it's bondage to decay.

The RCC [surprise surprise] decided to drop the doctrine and adopt the amillennial doctrine in the 4th century.

I am aware of historical documents that prove the RCC made many distortions to biblical doctrine in the 4th century. However, I was unaware they introduced the amillennial doctrine at that time as well. Do you happen to know which historical documents include this information?

 

[HatedForNoReason]

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

John 3:3-8
King James Version

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Revelation 7:1-3
King James Version

7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.