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Or this. The nice thing about charts is you can make them show anything.

 

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This Video was posted Dec. 30th, 2019:

 

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Where do you believe they will build their temple?
With your research do you have a clue?

My understanding the Correct Location for ANY TEMPLE is on the Foundation of the exact sight of the First Sacrifice Altar of David's TABERNACLE. Which had No Ceiling, just a tent on the southern part of the OPHEL, just a few steps from the David's Palace.

1 Chronicles 21:18-26 (ASV)
18 Then the angel of Jehovah commanded Gad {the Prophet of the King} to say to David, that David should go up, and rear an altar unto Jehovah in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of Jehovah.
20 And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons that were with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat.
21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshing-floor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.
22 Then David said to Ornan, Give me the place of this threshing-floor, that I may build thereon an altar unto Jehovah: for the full price shalt thou give it me, that the plague may be stayed from the people.
23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen for burnt-offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meal-offering; I give it all.
24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for Jehovah, nor offer a burnt-offering without cost.
25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.
26 And David built there an altar unto Jehovah, and offered burnt-offerings and peace-offerings, and called upon Jehovah; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt-offering.


I believe, that Archaeologists uncovered in the Parking Lot Digs, in the CITY OF DAVID, that very ALTAR OF SACRIFICE, just to the North of David's Palace that borders the southern side of the OPHEL.


That 6" raised stone was the Sacrifice Altar, to the back left in the Picture, and the throat of the animal was laid directly in line of the Blood Channel, with the legs of the animal tied up. Why was the Sacrifice Altar, so low ? ? ? It is obvious, on a table, the BLOOD would have splashed Every Priest near the Table. So the Low Rock would be ideal to minimize the blood splashing and as it just ran down the Blood Channel. This would have been the nearest thing to a TEMPLE that David was allowed to built, because of too much bloodshed on his hands. AM I CONVINCED THIS WAS THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID? I am 99% sure of it.


The Jewish Archaeologist that found this, as the original video, while the recording was rolling; he was just sitting there Starring at it, with a look bewilderment and awe at what he was SEEING. NO ONE EXPECTED THIS TO BE FOUND IN THE CITY OF DAVID. That was one of my earliest videos that has been removed for some reason.

1 Chronicles 21:26-30 (ASV)
26 And David built there an altar unto Jehovah, and offered burnt-offerings and peace-offerings, and called upon Jehovah; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt-offering.
27 And Jehovah commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.
28 At that time, when David saw that Jehovah had answered him in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite, then he sacrificed there.
29 For the tabernacle of Jehovah, which Moses made in the wilderness, and the altar of burnt-offering, were at that time in the high place at Gibeon.
30 But David could not go before it to inquire of God; for he was afraid because of the sword of the angel of Jehovah.

1 Chronicles 22:8-9 (ASV)
8 But the word of Jehovah came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build a house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight.
9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about; for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days:

2 Chronicles 3:1 (ASV)
1 Then Solomon began to build the house of Jehovah at Jerusalem {Ancient Jerusalem was the modern day City of David.} on mount Moriah, where Jehovah appeared unto David his father, which he made ready in the place that David had appointed, in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.



Most people do not know this, but Mount Moriah is NOT A SINGLE PEAK, it is the Name of the enter Ridge from north of the Dome of the Rock, down to just east of the Pool of Siloam, in the southern part of the ancient City of David.

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The topographic map shows that Mount Moriah is not a single peak, but an elongated ridge which commences to rise at its Southern end at the junction of the Kidron and Hinnom Valleys, at the original City of David, (elevation approximately 600 meters). The ridge then climbs in elevation to a maximum of 777 meters just Northeast of the present Damascus Gate of the Old City. The Temple Mount, prominent in most photos of Jerusalem occupies an area of about 45 acres. However the elevation of the bedrock outcropping on the Temple Mount within the Dome of the Rock Moslem shrine is only 741 meters.
. . . http://www.templemount.org/moriah2.html
So, ancient Mount Zion, a single peak with a flat top, for a Threshing Floor, was the central peak on the Mount Moriah Ridge.

NOW do I expect the JEWS to build on that LOCATION ? ? ? PROBABLY NOT, as most of them in power, are still convinced that the So-called Temple Mount, is the Location, even though it is the WRONG LOCATION. Why would GOD want it built on the WRONG Location?

The Third TEMPLE is NOT the HOLY TEMPLE. It fulfills Prophecy of Antichrist sitting in it. BUT the FOURTH TEMPLE probably Built by CHRIST HIMSELF, will be the HOLY TEMPLE for the Mortals of the whole world to Celebrate the FEAST OF TABERNACLES IN, requiring two trips to the TEMPLE. Do not forget, WE WILL BE IN OUR GLORIFIED BODIES AFTER THE RESURRECTION!
SEE, Zechariah chapter 14.
 
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My understanding the Correct Location for ANY TEMPLE is on the Foundation of the exact sight of the First Sacrifice Altar of David's TABERNACLE. Which had No Ceiling, just a tent on the southern part of the OPHEL, just a few steps from the David's Palace.

1 Chronicles 21:18-26 (ASV)
18 Then the angel of Jehovah commanded Gad {the Prophet of the King} to say to David, that David should go up, and rear an altar unto Jehovah in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of Jehovah.
20 And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons that were with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat.
21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshing-floor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.
22 Then David said to Ornan, Give me the place of this threshing-floor, that I may build thereon an altar unto Jehovah: for the full price shalt thou give it me, that the plague may be stayed from the people.
23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen for burnt-offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meal-offering; I give it all.
24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for Jehovah, nor offer a burnt-offering without cost.
25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.
26 And David built there an altar unto Jehovah, and offered burnt-offerings and peace-offerings, and called upon Jehovah; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt-offering.


I believe, that Archaeologists uncovered in the Parking Lot Digs, in the CITY OF DAVID, that very ALTAR OF SACRIFICE, just to the North of David's Palace that borders the southern side of the OPHEL.


That 6" raised stone was the Sacrifice Altar, to the back left in the Picture, and the throat of the animal was laid directly in line of the Blood Channel, with the legs of the animal tied up. Why was the Sacrifice Altar, so low ? ? ? It is obvious, on a table, the BLOOD would have splashed Every Priest near the Table. So the Low Rock would be ideal to minimize the blood splashing and as it just ran down the Blood Channel. This would have been the nearest thing to a TEMPLE that David was allowed to built, because of too much bloodshed on his hands. AM I CONVINCED THIS WAS THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID? I am 99% sure of it.


The Jewish Archaeologist that found this, as the original video, while the recording was rolling; he was just sitting there Starring at it, with a look bewilderment and awe at what he was SEEING. NO ONE EXPECTED THIS TO BE FOUND IN THE CITY OF DAVID. That was one of my earliest videos that has been removed for some reason.

1 Chronicles 21:26-30 (ASV)
26 And David built there an altar unto Jehovah, and offered burnt-offerings and peace-offerings, and called upon Jehovah; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt-offering.
27 And Jehovah commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.
28 At that time, when David saw that Jehovah had answered him in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite, then he sacrificed there.
29 For the tabernacle of Jehovah, which Moses made in the wilderness, and the altar of burnt-offering, were at that time in the high place at Gibeon.
30 But David could not go before it to inquire of God; for he was afraid because of the sword of the angel of Jehovah.

1 Chronicles 22:8-9 (ASV)
8 But the word of Jehovah came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build a house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight.
9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about; for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days:

2 Chronicles 3:1 (ASV)
1 Then Solomon began to build the house of Jehovah at Jerusalem {Ancient Jerusalem was the modern day City of David.} on mount Moriah, where Jehovah appeared unto David his father, which he made ready in the place that David had appointed, in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.



Most people do not know this, but Mount Moriah is NOT A SINGLE PEAK, it is the Name of the enter Ridge from north of the Dome of the Rock, down to just east of the Pool of Siloam, in the southern part of the ancient City of David.



So, ancient Mount Zion, a single peak with a flat top, for a Threshing Floor, was the central peak on the Mount Moriah Ridge.

NOW do I expect the JEWS to build on that LOCATION ? ? ? PROBABLY NOT, as most of them in power, are still convinced that the So-called Temple Mount, is the Location, even though it is the WRONG LOCATION. Why would GOD want it built on the WRONG Location?

The Third TEMPLE is NOT the HOLY TEMPLE. It fulfills Prophecy of Antichrist sitting in it. BUT the FOURTH TEMPLE probably Built by CHRIST HIMSELF, will be the HOLY TEMPLE for the Mortals of the whole world to Celebrate the FEAST OF TABERNACLES IN, requiring two trips to the TEMPLE. Do not forget, WE WILL BE IN OUR GLORIFIED BODIES AFTER THE RESURRECTION!
SEE, Zechariah chapter 14.
Thanks. Interesting.
 

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My understanding the Correct Location for ANY TEMPLE is on the Foundation of the exact sight of the First Sacrifice Altar of David's TABERNACLE. Which had No Ceiling, just a tent on the southern part of the OPHEL, just a few steps from the David's Palace.

1 Chronicles 21:18-26 (ASV)
18 Then the angel of Jehovah commanded Gad {the Prophet of the King} to say to David, that David should go up, and rear an altar unto Jehovah in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of Jehovah.
20 And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons that were with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat.
21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshing-floor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.
22 Then David said to Ornan, Give me the place of this threshing-floor, that I may build thereon an altar unto Jehovah: for the full price shalt thou give it me, that the plague may be stayed from the people.
23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen for burnt-offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meal-offering; I give it all.
24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for Jehovah, nor offer a burnt-offering without cost.
25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.
26 And David built there an altar unto Jehovah, and offered burnt-offerings and peace-offerings, and called upon Jehovah; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt-offering.


I believe, that Archaeologists uncovered in the Parking Lot Digs, in the CITY OF DAVID, that very ALTAR OF SACRIFICE, just to the North of David's Palace that borders the southern side of the OPHEL.


That 6" raised stone was the Sacrifice Altar, to the back left in the Picture, and the throat of the animal was laid directly in line of the Blood Channel, with the legs of the animal tied up. Why was the Sacrifice Altar, so low ? ? ? It is obvious, on a table, the BLOOD would have splashed Every Priest near the Table. So the Low Rock would be ideal to minimize the blood splashing and as it just ran down the Blood Channel. This would have been the nearest thing to a TEMPLE that David was allowed to built, because of too much bloodshed on his hands. AM I CONVINCED THIS WAS THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID? I am 99% sure of it.


The Jewish Archaeologist that found this, as the original video, while the recording was rolling; he was just sitting there Starring at it, with a look bewilderment and awe at what he was SEEING. NO ONE EXPECTED THIS TO BE FOUND IN THE CITY OF DAVID. That was one of my earliest videos that has been removed for some reason.

1 Chronicles 21:26-30 (ASV)
26 And David built there an altar unto Jehovah, and offered burnt-offerings and peace-offerings, and called upon Jehovah; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt-offering.
27 And Jehovah commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.
28 At that time, when David saw that Jehovah had answered him in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite, then he sacrificed there.
29 For the tabernacle of Jehovah, which Moses made in the wilderness, and the altar of burnt-offering, were at that time in the high place at Gibeon.
30 But David could not go before it to inquire of God; for he was afraid because of the sword of the angel of Jehovah.

1 Chronicles 22:8-9 (ASV)
8 But the word of Jehovah came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build a house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight.
9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about; for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days:

2 Chronicles 3:1 (ASV)
1 Then Solomon began to build the house of Jehovah at Jerusalem {Ancient Jerusalem was the modern day City of David.} on mount Moriah, where Jehovah appeared unto David his father, which he made ready in the place that David had appointed, in the threshing-floor of Ornan the Jebusite.



Most people do not know this, but Mount Moriah is NOT A SINGLE PEAK, it is the Name of the enter Ridge from north of the Dome of the Rock, down to just east of the Pool of Siloam, in the southern part of the ancient City of David.



So, ancient Mount Zion, a single peak with a flat top, for a Threshing Floor, was the central peak on the Mount Moriah Ridge.

NOW do I expect the JEWS to build on that LOCATION ? ? ? PROBABLY NOT, as most of them in power, are still convinced that the So-called Temple Mount, is the Location, even though it is the WRONG LOCATION. Why would GOD want it built on the WRONG Location?

The Third TEMPLE is NOT the HOLY TEMPLE. It fulfills Prophecy of Antichrist sitting in it. BUT the FOURTH TEMPLE probably Built by CHRIST HIMSELF, will be the HOLY TEMPLE for the Mortals of the whole world to Celebrate the FEAST OF TABERNACLES IN, requiring two trips to the TEMPLE. Do not forget, WE WILL BE IN OUR GLORIFIED BODIES AFTER THE RESURRECTION!
SEE, Zechariah chapter 14.

Paragraph under the Picture of what is possibly David's Tabernacle, the raised stone is in the Back Right hand in the Picture.

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I know. You love to wallow in your ignorance.
 

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In addition to the Roman destruction of the TEMPLE, the Macabean King Simon, died in 135, or 136 A.D. He was not a king, but called himself PRINCE.

Simon ben Kosevah, or Cosibah, known to posterity as Bar Kokhba (Hebrew: שמעון בן כוסבה; died 135 CE), was a Jewish military leader who led the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 CE. The revolt established a three-year-long independent Jewish state in which Bar Kokhba ruled as Nasi ("Prince"). Some of the rabbinic scholars in his time imagined him to be the long-expected Messiah. Bar Kokhba fell in the fortified town of Betar, after a prolonged siege of three and half years. Wikipedia.


135 C.E. = Common Era or A.D.


Alternative Titles: Bar Koziba, , Simeon bar Kosba, Simeon bar Koseba

Bar Kokhba, original name Simeon Bar Kosba, Kosba also spelled Koseba, Kosiba, or Kochba, also called Bar Koziba, (died 135 CE), Jewish leader who led a bitter but unsuccessful revolt (132–135 CE) against Roman dominion in Judaea. Britannica

Shimon Bar-Kokhba - Jewish Virtual Library
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/shimon-bar-kokhba
Shimon Bar-Kokhba was the leader of the Jewish revolt against Rome between 132 and 135 C.E. Bar-Kokhba united his army in Judea and led the Jews in battle. This rebellion later became known as the Bar-Kokhba revolt.

Bar Kochba - New World Encyclopedia
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Bar_Kochba
Simon bar Kokhba (Hebrew: שמעון בר כוכבא, also transliterated as Bar Kokhva or Bar Kochba) was a messianic Jewish leader who led a major revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 C.E., establishing an independent Jewish state of Israel which he ruled for three years as Nasi ("prince," or "president").His state was conquered by the Romans in late 135 C.E. following a bloody two-year war.


It is is obvious we are talking about two DIFFERENT people from 2 different eras.
I got my info from your post. You stated "In addition to the Roman destruction of the TEMPLE, the Maccabean King Simon" .
It was you who called him the "Macabean King Simon" in your post. Get your facts straight before you post and you won't be misleading And I couldn't find any proof that he was any kind of a Macabean.

The family of Mattathias became known as the Maccabees, from the Hebrew word for "hammer," because they were said to strike hammer blows against their enemies. Jews refer to the Maccabees, but the family is more commonly known as the Hasmoneans.
Like other rulers before him, Antiochus underestimated the will and strength of his Jewish adversaries and sent a small force to put down the rebellion. When that was annihilated, he led a more powerful army into battle only to be defeated. In 164 BCE, Jerusalem was recaptured by the Maccabees and the Temple purified, an event that gave birth to the holiday of Chanukah.
Jews Regain Their Independence
It took more than two decades of fighting before the Maccabees forced the Seleucids to retreat from the Land of Israel. By this time Antiochus had died and his successor agreed to the Jews' demand for independence. In the year 142 BCE, after more than 500 years of subjugation, the Jews were again masters of their own fate.

When Mattathias died, the revolt was led by his son Judas, or Judah Maccabee, as he is often called. By the end of the war, Simon was the only one of the five sons of Mattathias to survive and he ushered in an 80-year period of Jewish independence in Judea, as the Land of Israel was now called. The kingdom regained boundaries not far short of Solomon's realm and Jewish life flourished.

The Maccabeans founded the Hasmonean dynasty, which ruled from 167 BCE to 37 BCE, being a fully independent kingdom from about 110 to 63 BCE. They reasserted the Jewish religion, partly by forced conversion, expanded the boundaries of Judea by conquest and reduced the influence of Hellenism and Hellenistic Judaism.
So it looks like this "Simon ben Kosevah" your talking about had the wrong name and there is no proof that he was actually part of the family of Mattathias and according to what I just researched about the Maccabean Dynasty the Temple they liberated and took back from the Seleucids was located in Jerusalem.


Man you must be making this stuff up as you go along. Because there was no such a thing as a Maccabean/Hasmonean Dynasty after about 37 BCE. I have read the books of the Maccadees and the books are in line with what I have just posted.
 

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I got my info from your post. You stated "In addition to the Roman destruction of the TEMPLE, the Maccabean King Simon" .
It was you who called him the "Macabean King Simon" in your post. Get your facts straight before you post and you won't be misleading And I couldn't find any proof that he was any kind of a Macabean.

The family of Mattathias became known as the Maccabees, from the Hebrew word for "hammer," because they were said to strike hammer blows against their enemies. Jews refer to the Maccabees, but the family is more commonly known as the Hasmoneans.
Like other rulers before him, Antiochus underestimated the will and strength of his Jewish adversaries and sent a small force to put down the rebellion. When that was annihilated, he led a more powerful army into battle only to be defeated. In 164 BCE, Jerusalem was recaptured by the Maccabees and the Temple purified, an event that gave birth to the holiday of Chanukah.
Jews Regain Their Independence

It took more than two decades of fighting before the Maccabees forced the Seleucids to retreat from the Land of Israel. By this time Antiochus had died and his successor agreed to the Jews' demand for independence. In the year 142 BCE, after more than 500 years of subjugation, the Jews were again masters of their own fate.
When Mattathias died, the revolt was led by his son Judas, or Judah Maccabee, as he is often called. By the end of the war, Simon was the only one of the five sons of Mattathias to survive and he ushered in an 80-year period of Jewish independence in Judea, as the Land of Israel was now called. The kingdom regained boundaries not far short of Solomon's realm and Jewish life flourished.

The Maccabeans founded the Hasmonean dynasty, which ruled from 167 BCE to 37 BCE, being a fully independent kingdom from about 110 to 63 BCE. They reasserted the Jewish religion, partly by forced conversion, expanded the boundaries of Judea by conquest and reduced the influence of Hellenism and Hellenistic Judaism.
So it looks like this "Simon ben Kosevah" your talking about had the wrong name and there is no proof that he was actually part of the family of Mattathias and according to what I just researched about the Maccabean Dynasty the Temple they liberated and took back from the Seleucids was located in Jerusalem.


Man you must be making this stuff up as you go along. Because there was no such a thing as a Maccabean/Hasmonean Dynasty after about 37 BCE. I have read the books of the Maccadees and the books are in line with what I have just posted.
You are 100% correct!!! Very well stated and historically accurate. But VCO doesn't want facts to stand in the way of his "good story." You see, he needs a third temple because he needs a future Man of Sin to stand in it and a future abomination to desolate it because the one in 70 AD is too inconvenient for him.
 

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I cannot allow you to promote your heretical views without challenging them. Sorry. The idea of a third temple should be repulsive to all Christians. Have you even considered the implications of a third temple and resumption of animal sacrifices? Have you even considered whether or not God would allow such a thing? What message would Jews sacrificing to God in a temple for covering of sins send to the rest of the world? It would nullify the sacrifice of His Son, wouldn't it? It would tell the world that there is a works-based, alternative way to heaven that does not require acceptance of His Son and His work on the cross.

Christ said that the only way to the Father is through Him!! Christ said He would rebuild the temple in 3 days and He did!! It is a spiritual temple and we are all a part of it. Is Christ as our temple (and temple of all those who are saved) not good enough for you?? Do you need to have one built by human hands again for Him to dwell in, ignoring the fact that He REPEATEDLY said He would NEVER dwell in a temple made with hands? He dwells in us - WE ARE THE TEMPLE. The Jews need to join us in OUR temple, not the other way around!!

God is NOT going to allow a third temple to be built and if He does, He certainly won't dwell in it or honor it in any way. To suggest He would is one of the most anti-Christian and sacrilegious concepts I've ever heard. Please stop promoting this and join me in condemning any Jewish plans to re-institute the Law. Our way to heaven is through the blood of Jesus, NOT through the blood of rams and bulls.

Acts 7:48
“However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:


Acts 17:24
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.


Matthew 12:6
Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.


Acts 17:24
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.


John 2:19-21
Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” But He was speaking of the temple of His body.


1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 19
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?


2 Corinthians 6:16
...For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”


Christ Our Cornerstone
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

PLEASE STOP THIS LONGING FOR A THIRD TEMPLE DEAR BROTHER. YOU ARE HURTING OUR FAITH AND NULLIFYING THE SACRIFICE OF OUR SAVIOR WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT. WILL ANY OTHER CHRISTIAN STAND UP WITH ME AND REJECT THIS THIRD TEMPLE WISHING???? YOUR SACRIFICE IS ENOUGH FOR ME JESUS, MORE THAN ENOUGH.
 

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I got my info from your post. You stated "In addition to the Roman destruction of the TEMPLE, the Maccabean King Simon" .
It was you who called him the "Macabean King Simon" in your post. Get your facts straight before you post and you won't be misleading And I couldn't find any proof that he was any kind of a Macabean.

The family of Mattathias became known as the Maccabees, from the Hebrew word for "hammer," because they were said to strike hammer blows against their enemies. Jews refer to the Maccabees, but the family is more commonly known as the Hasmoneans.
Like other rulers before him, Antiochus underestimated the will and strength of his Jewish adversaries and sent a small force to put down the rebellion. When that was annihilated, he led a more powerful army into battle only to be defeated. In 164 BCE, Jerusalem was recaptured by the Maccabees and the Temple purified, an event that gave birth to the holiday of Chanukah.
Jews Regain Their Independence

It took more than two decades of fighting before the Maccabees forced the Seleucids to retreat from the Land of Israel. By this time Antiochus had died and his successor agreed to the Jews' demand for independence. In the year 142 BCE, after more than 500 years of subjugation, the Jews were again masters of their own fate.
When Mattathias died, the revolt was led by his son Judas, or Judah Maccabee, as he is often called. By the end of the war, Simon was the only one of the five sons of Mattathias to survive and he ushered in an 80-year period of Jewish independence in Judea, as the Land of Israel was now called. The kingdom regained boundaries not far short of Solomon's realm and Jewish life flourished.

The Maccabeans founded the Hasmonean dynasty, which ruled from 167 BCE to 37 BCE, being a fully independent kingdom from about 110 to 63 BCE. They reasserted the Jewish religion, partly by forced conversion, expanded the boundaries of Judea by conquest and reduced the influence of Hellenism and Hellenistic Judaism.
So it looks like this "Simon ben Kosevah" your talking about had the wrong name and there is no proof that he was actually part of the family of Mattathias and according to what I just researched about the Maccabean Dynasty the Temple they liberated and took back from the Seleucids was located in Jerusalem.


Man you must be making this stuff up as you go along. Because there was no such a thing as a Maccabean/Hasmonean Dynasty after about 37 BCE. I have read the books of the Maccadees and the books are in line with what I have just posted.

So what, I make a slip of the mind and call him King and instead of Prince (equivalent to President). I am 71, have already had 5 mini-strokes and 2 MAJOR ones, however, I think I to do pretty good, considering that it scrambled my brain on the most recent BAD ONE. As I lost all computer skills totally and thought it might stay that way, as I could not figure out how to turn the Computer on. It did mostly come back slowly, except for spelling, but will obviously I will make more mistakes. So if I make some mistakes, GOD is still GOOD and MERCIFUL. But if you had read info on that Simon bar Kohkba, you should have know who I was talking about.
 

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Ready for a LAUGH at this RUMOR ? ? ?
Here is a JEWISH HISTORIAN, Yaakov Astor, that OBVIOUSLY want to shift the Blame from Simon bar Kokhba and put the Blame on HADRIAN for Lowering the Original Temple Mount that THRESHING FLOOR to Ground Level. But he EXAGGERATED SO MUCH, his TITLE should be COMEDIAN. And in the same instant was trying to make the Palestinian claims the Dome of the Rock, illegitimate.

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After 135 CE, when the rebellion was crushed, Hadrian acted even more ruthlessly and set about on a campaign to wipe away not only the remnants of the Jewish people but the memory that they had ever existed. In effect, he decided to “solve the Jewish problem” once and for all.

He realized that the final solution to the Jewish problem lay not only in killing Jews but in destroying Judaism. As long as the Jews had their religion no one would ever really be able to eradicate them entirely. Therefore, he issued decrees that outlawed Judaism on the pain of death. The decrees of Hadrian were the most fearsome in history against the Jewish people.

Teaching Torah was the worst “crime” a Jew could commit under these circumstances. Jewish tradition is rich with stories about the “10 Martyrs Murdered by the [Roman] Government.” It is during Hadrian’s reign that this happened. He was not content merely killing these great rabbis, but doing it in public display of brutality and torture, hoping to crush the spirit of the Jewish people. Foremost among the martyrs was Rabbi Akiva.

Hadrian did not stop there. He forbade mention of the name Jerusalem and renamed the holy city, Aelia Capitolina. He also forbade Jews from living there. Most notable of all, he employed an army of slaves to plow over the Temple Mount. He simply lowered it almost 1,000 feet. When one goes to Jerusalem today, the mountains around the Temple Mount (such as the Mount of Olives and Mount Scopus) are taller. Before Hadrian, however, Mount Moriah (the mountain upon with the Temple stood) was the highest mountain there. Hadrian literally reconstructed the landscape in order to prove to the Jews that it would never be rebuilt again.
. . . https://www.jewishhistory.org/bar-kochba/
This so-called Historian, whats us to believe that Mount Moriah (the singular peak, not the RIDGE as it was originally called) the was once 1000 feet higher, that Hadrian had an army of SLAVES Lower it 1000 feet. :ROFL: TO WHITE WASH his HEROE, Simon bar Kohkba, who gave the order to Turn the Original Temple Mount (Mount Zion) into a ROCK QUARRY because the ROMANS Put TEMPLE to JUPITER on the Location of Solomon's TEMPLE in the City of David. Lowering Mount Zion a few meters to ground Level. Even More REDICULOUS, is he wants us to believe the Farmers in the family of ORNAN the JEBUSITE, climbed a 1000 foot Mountain, toting all their WHEAT SHEAVES up to the THRESHING FIELD, way up on that Mountain. :ROFL: I have already Proven that the ORIGINAL Threshing Floor that King David bought from the Ornan the Jebusite, what the SAME LOCATION of Solomon's Temple.


I think we can call this RUMOR as TOTALLY - - - BUSTED!
 

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There is no prophesy of a third temple. There were multiple prophesies of the second temple and it's destruction. The idea of a third temple comes from the futurists misapplication of second temple prophesies such as Dan 9:27 where it is clear a future prince to come (Titus) and his men would consume the temple by fire and leave it desolate. To avoid the clear meaning of Dan 9:27, the futurist invents a ~2,000 year gap in Daniel's 70th week when none is taught. If they would simply do the math they would see Christ came on the scene in 27 AD at the end of the 69th week but in the middle of the 70th week, He was cut off. Thus, the prophesy ended 3.5 years early.
Another major problem with the futurist's theory of a third temple is the false dating of the writing of Revelation. Only one second century writer appears to place it during the days of Domitian. This writer was from France quoting a third hand source for this time frame. All other sources tying Revelation to the mid 90s quotes back to the original source, Ireneaus. Meanwhile, the Syrians in their version of the Apocalypse states in the title, "where the Evangelist John was banished to Patmos by Emperor Nero. Since Revelation was actually written in the days of Nero, the second temple was still standing. This makes total sense since Revelation was all about the 67-70 AD events and that Nero killed Peter and Paul. There is no way he would let someone as prominent as John to continue ministering anywhere in the Roman Empire.

The other major problem futurists have is a misapplication of the temple found in Ezekiel 40-48. At the time, there was no second temple. The temple shown to Ezekiel was much grander than the one actually built. The key verse to unlocking this is a passage is in Ezek 43 which states, "If they repent show them the pattern." We know they did not repent because of Daniel's prayer in Dan 9:1-19. Thus, they never got that grand temple and instead got the smaller one which Titus destroyed.

So one has to ask, what is the motivation of certain Evangelicals to have the Jews build a third temple and start up animal sacrifices again in clear violation of everything Christ was about, rather than working to convince them that Jesus was their Messiah and to join OUR TEMPLE? The answer is simple, because they think they will get to escape death in clear violation of Heb 9:27. What a selfish reason to have, to hope for the Jews to continue in their errors in disbelief in the Son so they get to skip death in their rapture dreams. Maybe they should re-evaluate their prophetic model.
 

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So what, I make a slip of the mind and call him King and instead of Prince (equivalent to President). I am 71, have already had 5 mini-strokes and 2 MAJOR ones, however, I think I to do pretty good, considering that it scrambled my brain on the most recent BAD ONE. As I lost all computer skills totally and thought it might stay that way, as I could not figure out how to turn the Computer on. It did mostly come back slowly, except for spelling, but will obviously I will make more mistakes. So if I make some mistakes, GOD is still GOOD and MERCIFUL. But if you had read info on that Simon bar Kohkba, you should have know who I was talking about.
Age has it,s set backs but just the same, talking garbage is still talking garbage that last time I checked. You jumped me for being wrong and I informed you that it was you who called out the name that I researched. It doesn't change the fact that you are still talking garbage about the true location of the temple mount. Good luck on changing the minds of millions of Israelites who believe the location of the true temple mount is in Jerusalem and come to pray at the western wall.
 
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There is no prophesy of a third temple. There were multiple prophesies of the second temple and it's destruction. The idea of a third temple comes from the futurists misapplication of second temple prophesies such as Dan 9:27 where it is clear a future prince to come (Titus) and his men would consume the temple by fire and leave it desolate. To avoid the clear meaning of Dan 9:27, the futurist invents a ~2,000 year gap in Daniel's 70th week when none is taught. If they would simply do the math they would see Christ came on the scene in 27 AD at the end of the 69th week but in the middle of the 70th week, He was cut off. Thus, the prophesy ended 3.5 years early.
Another major problem with the futurist's theory of a third temple is the false dating of the writing of Revelation. Only one second century writer appears to place it during the days of Domitian. This writer was from France quoting a third hand source for this time frame. All other sources tying Revelation to the mid 90s quotes back to the original source, Ireneaus. Meanwhile, the Syrians in their version of the Apocalypse states in the title, "where the Evangelist John was banished to Patmos by Emperor Nero. Since Revelation was actually written in the days of Nero, the second temple was still standing. This makes total sense since Revelation was all about the 67-70 AD events and that Nero killed Peter and Paul. There is no way he would let someone as prominent as John to continue ministering anywhere in the Roman Empire.

The other major problem futurists have is a misapplication of the temple found in Ezekiel 40-48. At the time, there was no second temple. The temple shown to Ezekiel was much grander than the one actually built. The key verse to unlocking this is a passage is in Ezek 43 which states, "If they repent show them the pattern." We know they did not repent because of Daniel's prayer in Dan 9:1-19. Thus, they never got that grand temple and instead got the smaller one which Titus destroyed.

So one has to ask, what is the motivation of certain Evangelicals to have the Jews build a third temple and start up animal sacrifices again in clear violation of everything Christ was about, rather than working to convince them that Jesus was their Messiah and to join OUR TEMPLE? The answer is simple, because they think they will get to escape death in clear violation of Heb 9:27. What a selfish reason to have, to hope for the Jews to continue in their errors in disbelief in the Son so they get to skip death in their rapture dreams. Maybe they should re-evaluate their prophetic model.
The first temple made after the wilderness demonstration was a abomination of desolation .

As Jesus said; "Jewish flesh profits for zero." (we walk by faith the unseen) The work of salvation called the work of faith or labor of love does not come by observation .But does come inwardly .We are the temple Christ in us.

Believers that have the faith of Christ working in them are the temple made without human hands. God set aside that principle temporally to be used in the wilderness 40 years . There he set up a moving Temple to show the Israelites walked with a unseen God. A sign to the world . Not a sign unto themselves but like any ceremonial law a shadow of things to come..

The ceremony did not point to the corrupted flesh as having any authority by which we could believe God. But just the opposite it directed mankind away from a image. . that men turned into a idol (the temple) .

The unbelieving atheistic Jew (no God in their hearts) as fools gathered themselves together and demanded the last of the Judge Samuel who did walk by faith( the unseen) . They as fools demanded in their jealousy that they were given a King . . .an outward representative like the surrounding Pagan Nations under the law of natural man .Out of sight out of mind . No faith coming from God not seen.

1 Samuel 8: 4-9 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the
Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee. Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

God gave them over to do that which they should not of . . .until the first century reformation .(Hebrew 9) Having destroyed the purpose of the temple used to deceive mankind at the renting of the veil .

Why build another abomination of desolation .It would seem two would be enough for God to show his distain for those who worship idol images .
 
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Age has it,s set backs but just the same, talking garbage is still talking garbage that last time I checked. You jumped me for being wrong and I informed you that it was you who called out the name that I researched. It doesn't change the fact that you are still talking garbage about the true location of the temple mount. Good luck on changing the minds of millions of Israelites who believe the location of the true temple mount is in Jerusalem and come to pray at the western wall.
Does it really matter where the temple was other than for archeological reasons as museum items?

What is the hope in looking at temporal corrupted rudiments of this world ? They tell a story that speak of the unseen. (law of faith). Just as when they were written . We must rightfully divide.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 

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Age has it,s set backs but just the same, talking garbage is still talking garbage that last time I checked. You jumped me for being wrong and I informed you that it was you who called out the name that I researched. It doesn't change the fact that you are still talking garbage about the true location of the temple mount. Good luck on changing the minds of millions of Israelites who believe the location of the true temple mount is in Jerusalem and come to pray at the western wall.
I will say this, the Western Wall was part of the Antonia Fortress, not the temple complex. Remember, Christ said not one stone would be left upon another. Josephus documents that the Romans leveled everything except 3 Roman towers which were left as a sign of Roman might and victory. So, the Jews worshiping at the wailing wall, are praying at the remnant of a Roman fortress which was key to their destruction. Ironic, isn't it? This is how completely lost they are. They missed Christ's first coming just as VCO missed His second coming.