Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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JTB

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lol " I'm all ears " Perot.

Here is the issue you are saying those who do not get the vax are unloving. You agree with the state mandates and restrictions. OK I don't and I too have had COVID-19 and many people I know have died from it. The mask doesn't help sound science has proven that.

in the winter of 2020 the cold and flu did not show up last year because of COVID-19 over 300, 000 die every year from the Cold and Flu. Everything is COVID-19 hit by a car and die it was COVID-19. I have peace :) and I have not been given a spirit of fear. Nor will I be bullied by those like you. Nor will I be shamed as unloving because I disagree with your willingness to bow to the god of the Goverment
And yet I'll bet that when you are in surgery, you insist your surgical team wear masks. What sheeple fools they are!

And your last two sentences belie your peace.

I don't wear a mask because the government tells me to. I don't trust the government either. That should be obvious by the fact that I don't support either right or left, they are both dangerous and both lead to the same end. But the right thing to do is the right thing to do. Regardless of who says to do it.
 

CS1

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"Eph 4:25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold."

Hmmm, this seems to be against being angry, as it gives the devil a foothold on you

"Psalm 4:4 Tremble and do not sin; when you are on your beds, search your hearts and be silent. "

Nope, angry people are seldom silent.

Care to try for 3?
ensure you are doing it too, maybe you are biased to your own post.
 

CS1

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And yet I'll bet that when you are in surgery, you insist your surgical team wear masks. What sheeple fools they are!

And your last two sentences belie your peace.

I don't wear a mask because the government tells me to. I don't trust the government either. That should be obvious by the fact that I don't support either right or left, they are both dangerous and both lead to the same end. But the right thing to do is the right thing to do. Regardless of who says to do it.

you see you are making ridiculous comments LOL. Hospital yes there are sick people there. Surgery is just that a medical procedure.

Walmart and other local places are not doing surgery. Do they wipe down the conveyor the items placed on between each person no, do they wipe down the keypads between each person? No. Do you eat out ? are they following every requirement to serve you food and drinks? No.

Buy a tank and move to the mountains but your fear is not mine.
 

AandW

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You couldn’t get that the point was that obeying the government has it’s limits?

Tell me. If a government entity forces a teacher to teach that homosexuality and transgenderism is good, should they obey?

If they force a Dr to perform abortions should he obey?

See the passages you quoted are not all encompassing.
If the Government made it a mandate to stop discussing Yeshua, if they mandated stop attending Church, if they demanded we accept what goes against God, then we BETTER disobey the government!

But the Government is ASKING, not commanding, to get Vaccinated.
None of what the Government is doing concerning Covid-19 has anything to do with what Opposes God, denies God, commands us to go against God. So, to oppose this Vaccination, is solely based upon PERSONAL REFERENCE, and not from GOD HIMSELF!

You are [choosing] to go against the Government on an Issue that DOES NOT relate to God at all.
Therefore, you are Wrong to use God, because Covid has no restrictions towards God at all, nor does it keep the Gospel from being shared.
 

CS1

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If the Government made it a mandate to stop discussing Yeshua, if they mandated stop attending Church, if they demanded we accept what goes against God, then we BETTER disobey the government!

But the Government is ASKING, not commanding, to get Vaccinated.
None of what the Government is doing concerning Covid-19 has anything to do with what Opposes God, denies God, commands us to go against God. So, to oppose this Vaccination is solely based upon PERSONAL REFERENCE, and not from GOD HIMSELF!

You are [choosing] to go against the Government on an Issue that DOES NOT relate to God at all.
Therefore, you are Wrong to use God, because Covid has no restrictions towards God at all, nor does it keep the Gospel from being shared.
move to California and say that.

the governor of California did just that, he wrote what was like an EDICT to shut down only Christian churches. The news did not even speak on this. Yet Islamic mosques were allowed to stay open. The Governor was sued and lost and was told to pay 11 million to the church that sued him. The SCOTUS said that The Governor Discriminated against Christians. When this first broke out in 2019 The Governor of CA would not consider Churches Essential yet he allowed other places to remain open.

Now in California, they are trying to roll out a vaccine card for all to have. Also, the news doesn't speak on this as some think all doctors and nurses are willing to get the jab, No they are not. They worked from 2019 when there was NO VACCINE PLACING THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE AND SERVED THE PEOPLE ARE BEING TOLD GET THE JAB OR LOSE YOUR JOB!.

The government commanding, and they are doing all they can to control us out of fear.
 

AandW

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move to California and say that.

the governor of California did just that, he wrote what was like an EDICT to shut down only Christian churches. The news did not even speak on this. Yet Islamic mosques were allowed to stay open. The Governor was sued and lost and was told to pay 11 million to the church that sued him. The SCOTUS said that The Governor Discriminated against Christians. When this first broke out in 2019 The Governor of CA would not consider Churches Essential yet he allowed other places to remain open.

Now in California, they are trying to roll out a vaccine card for all to have. Also, the news doesn't speak on this as some think all doctors and nurses are willing to get the jab, No they are not. They worked from 2019 when there was NO VACCINE PLACING THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE AND SERVED THE PEOPLE ARE BEING TOLD GET THE JAB OR LOSE YOUR JOB!.

The government commanding, and they are doing all they can to control us out of fear.
As truthful as your statement may be, it was in California, not the entire USA.
I was not forced to follow any Liberal View.
I was still able to live 100% for Christ.

And i will add this, ever been to Cali?
I have to see it several times per year.
Complete Cesspool!
The entire State is a unified state of Sanity!

The other 49 States look at Cali like it's a Step Sibling that has to be part of the Family!


*I will note:
Bakersfield and OilDale are the only true Legit Normal people in all of Cali!
 

CS1

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As truthful as your statement may be, it was in California, not the entire USA.
I was not forced to follow any Liberal View.
I was still able to live 100% for Christ.

And i will add this, ever been to Cali?
I have to see it several times per year.
Complete Cesspool!
The entire State is a unified state of Sanity!

The other 49 States look at Cali like it's a Step sister that has to be part of the Family!


*I will note:
Bakersfield and OilDale are the only true Legit Normal people in all of Cali!
it is the truth and California has what is known as a State Government.

Califonia is not the only state either to do this.

that Cesspool is where I preach the word of God as a minister and I live here with my family.
 

AandW

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move to California and say that.

the governor of California did just that, he wrote what was like an EDICT to shut down only Christian churches. The news did not even speak on this. Yet Islamic mosques were allowed to stay open. The Governor was sued and lost and was told to pay 11 million to the church that sued him. The SCOTUS said that The Governor Discriminated against Christians. When this first broke out in 2019 The Governor of CA would not consider Churches Essential yet he allowed other places to remain open.

Now in California, they are trying to roll out a vaccine card for all to have. Also, the news doesn't speak on this as some think all doctors and nurses are willing to get the jab, No they are not. They worked from 2019 when there was NO VACCINE PLACING THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE AND SERVED THE PEOPLE ARE BEING TOLD GET THE JAB OR LOSE YOUR JOB!.

The government commanding, and they are doing all they can to control us out of fear.

Since silicon Valley has erupted as Top Dog, Companies for past 10 years have demanded their employees be RFID Chipped, to clock in/out of their employment facilities.

Cali is definitely where the world is headed, but for this Moment Now, we are still a Generation away from that.
 

AandW

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it is the truth and California has what is known as a State Government.

Califonia is not the only state either to do this.

that Cesspool is where I preach the word of God as a minister and I live here with my family.

Are you a Member of Chuck Smith's Teachings?
 

AandW

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that Cesspool is where I preach the word of God as a minister and I live here with my family.

I lived in Bakersfield for a couple of years and was able to travel much of Cali. the Landscape is Amazing and no doubt a place anyone would like to be. But that Majority Idealism out there is like wissing into a fan. I was thankful the area of Bakersfield and OilsDale were Okies from 1940's Oklahoma and general good ole boys in the sense of not putting up with Left Winged Baloney.
 

CS1

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Since silicon Valley has erupted as Top Dog, Companies for past 10 years have demanded their employees be RFID Chipped, to clock in/out of their employment facilities.

Cali is definitely where the world is headed, but for this Moment Now, we are still a Generation away from that.
I disagree. Today less than 40 % call themselves or consider themselves to be Christian. once you go below 40% of anything you are no longer the majority. The Bible belt is broken. Texas is fighting to stay red but many locations are purple to blue.

The whole west coast is blue :

Washington to CA. and on that is NM, AZ, CO, NV is moving fastly to it. 800, 000 families left CA who could not live under what they voted for coming to your state. Just an Obama said would happen. The fundamental transformation of the United States.

To think we have another Generation away from what you think is coming and only in CA, I think is very much incorrect.
 

AandW

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Are you a Member of Chuck Smith's Teachings?
I listen to a radio station that has no real Christian influence but there are Churches who do record the preachers from local, Cali, and others associated to Chuck Smith. They simply open the Bible and go from Genesis 1:1 and teach until they get to Revelation and then go back to Genesis 1:1 and teach it again.
 

CS1

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I lived in Bakersfield for a couple of years and was able to travel much of Cali. the Landscape is Amazing and no doubt a place anyone would like to be. But that Majority Idealism out there is like wissing into a fan. I was thankful the area of Bakersfield and OilsDale were Okies from 1940's Oklahoma and general good ole boys in the sense of not putting up with Left Winged Baloney.
I lived in the city of Oakland and now in the valley, the politics are throughout the state. only 39 to 44 % are fighting against it in CA but the Democrats have a super majority and we are unable to vote for any tax hikes. They just approve them. those who voted for this many have left the state including rich businessmen and women.
 

CS1

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I listen to a radio station that has no real Christian influence but there are Churches who do record the preachers from local, Cali, and others associated to Chuck Smith. They simply open the Bible and go from Genesis 1:1 and teach until they get to Revelation and then go back to Genesis 1:1 and teach it again.
we are on the streets we are feeding the homeless and we are serving our community.

we are doing outreaches to gangs and the addicted. WE speak to our local city council about the promotion of drugs recreational drugs and attacking the false narrative of it. many are not ready for expository teaching in the word of God they need to get saved.
 

AandW

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I lived in the city of Oakland and now in the valley, the politics are throughout the state. only 39 to 44 % are fighting against it in CA but the Democrats have a super majority and we are unable to vote for any tax hikes. They just approve them. those who voted for this many have left the state including rich businessmen and women.
I watched the rise in Housing sky rocket in the States of Arizona and Colorado as Californians swarmed into those areas like flies on manure. And those areas are definitely becoming Flies on Manure for certain. And yes, it is slowly all headed that way. But a Generation is not a lifetime, but a myriad of time which is coming soon.
 

AandW

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we are on the streets we are feeding the homeless and we are serving our community.

we are doing outreaches to gangs and the addicted. WE speak to our local city council about the promotion of drugs recreational drugs and attacking the false narrative of it. many are not ready for expository teaching in the word of God they need to get saved.
You sound a lot like Dwight Thompson and that Church out there in Cali.
 

AandW

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I am definitely praying for you.
Oakland!
Nice!
 
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I have not been vaccinated and don't plan to be. However, I don't think it is the mark of the beast. I sure hope not, at least. Almost all of my family, who are good Christian people, have been vaccinated so I really don't think it is the mark of the beast. However, it could be leading up to the mark of the beast.

There have been many side effects due to the vaccine and not enough research and time to evaluate its safety. One of my family members is suffering a devastating adverse effect due to the vaccine.

So at this point, I plan to take my chances and trust solely in God.

That being said, I have been a little sick a few times. I think it is just allergies and not anything any worse, but like I said I'm just putting it all in the hands of the Lord.

I also don't believe in a pre-trib rapture, and some of what you posted there is my main concern for anyone that does believe in Pre-trib rapture. The MoB will eventually come and when it does we have already been warned what will happen if we take it.

As far as people believing in the Pre-trib rapture and still thinking the vaccine is the mark of the beast...I don't get that, either. Maybe the Lord is trying to get them prepared in the event they are wrong about Pre-trib so that they won't be misled ....IDK...but it is puzzling?
Yes it is puzzling. Thanks, you understood my post very well. I haven't decided about pre-trib ect.yet, i've been reading up on John Nelson Darby and he seems okay, certainly intelligent and well educated at least. His ideas about different parts of the Bible being written for different people in different times makes alot of sense to me, especially with regard to the contradictions in the Bible that people argue about so much. I can also understand the concern you mentioned that if pre-tribbers are mistaken they might not see the Tribulation coming or be prepared for it. I can sympathise with anti-vaxxers concerns too, whether physical or spiritual. There seems to be a pandemic of incompetence in the in the various governmental organisations at the moment, and it's clear there is an agenda at the top moving us towards their "Great Reset" but i also think that without the advancement in medical science (the polio vaccine for example) many of us wouldn't be here today. I just try to live as simply as i can and use co-operatives as much as possible, for banking, energy supply, shopping and so forth. but i'm thinking living off grid in a cave might actually be the best option, lol.
 

rayzor

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"Eph 4:25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold."

Hmmm, this seems to be against being angry, as it gives the devil a foothold on you

"Psalm 4:4 Tremble and do not sin; when you are on your beds, search your hearts and be silent. "

Nope, angry people are seldom silent.

Care to try for 3?
sure you not using the king James. That's ok. friend even Jesus got angry at them making the temple a den of thieves.it has do with how u respond to anger & what your mad about. Ps 4:4 Nkj be angry and do not sin