Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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Angela53510

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No one should nave ever gone to the ICUs and no one should in the future. The medical establishment DELIBERATELY AND MALICIOUSLY sabotaged HCQ, the HCQ combo pack, ivermectin etc. so that people would end up in the ICU and then hopefully die. Ventilators were known to kill people and yet they continue to be used.

Do you know how the government of Alberta is attacking ivermectin while at the same time trying to enforce the vaccine mandate? And do you know the shameful and illegal sentence given to Pastor Art Pawlowski for simply standing up to the COVID Nazis?

As for crying for the bogus vax, only a fool would do that after all the damage they have done.
I know all about Alberta! I was born and raised there. Left in 1973, husband was transferred in 2000 to Edmonton, lived there till 2015, when we moved back to BC. I have 3 children in AB, 7 grandchildren. My other son lives in Yellowknife! My mom is in Edmonton, loads of cousins, & aunts.
we just got back from AB a week ago.

So I follow with regards to COVID. I talk to me daughter in Calgary daily. Her husband is a doctor, as well as my DIL. I hear a lot of news about AHS, that isn't in the news. My best friend from childhood runs a health district in AB. Lots of health news from her.

I also read reputable, science, especially double blind studies. I read loads about Hydroxychloroquine, and I was on it all last year for RA. It helped my RA but the side effects just about killed me. I know people that lost their eyesight to HCQ. I know of others who have been on it for years, with no side effects. It works for RA, lupus. But it doesn't work for COVID. No one is really even pretending any more it works for COVID, except maybe you!

I've read tons about Invermectin. Early studies showed it worked. But when confronted with peer review, the studies were badly constructed, they actually lied about the data. The large scale studies, double blind, show Invermectin does not work on COVID at all. But it does work to rid horses of parasites!

I watched the videos of Pastor Pawlowski. He was screaming and yelling at the police. Frankly, he disobeyed the law. He should be punished. He made Christian look like fools in AB. My church used Zoom for 18 months. We didn't disobey the law!

I will agree with you on one thing. I do not believe in vaccine mandates. I got the vax because it was in my best interest. It was made after talking to my rheumatologist & GP. My RA group on FB (Canadian only!) has 2500 members. Only 3 people have decided against the vax. And 3 more waiting. For what, I don't know. We have a chemist in the group, she read through all the papers. She said m-RNA vaxes were approved 10 years ago after every level of clinical trials. The papers she read were hard even for her. But basically the vax works, & certainly immune suppressed people should get it.

If people don't want to get vaxed, they should not be. I had a bad reaction to the flu shot in 1986. The doctor in the ER told me never to get it again. I would not want to be forced to take it. I believe that the vax protects me. But I am a realist, and I might get COVID if I expose myself. So, I continue to wear my carbon filtered mask away from home. I sanitize. I go out much less than I used to. My choice! But I do agree that mandatory vaxes are too Nazi. The Nuremberg code strictly prohibits forced meds and vaccines. So, people have my sympathy who are being coerced to take it, for work, or to go out. That is just not right. But I have always been against mandatory meds for people.
 

Angela53510

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Curious, as one who works in a hospital, have you seen remdesivir being used?
Curious, as one who works in a hospital, have you seen remdesivir being used?
Curious, too! My sister's husband bought a lot of stock in this company early in the pandemic. She felt it was going no where. I'd like to know if it works and it is being used! Good question!
 

Angela53510

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If the virus is airborne then paper and cloth masks aren't going to stop it.

If the virus is not airborne then there is no reason for any mask.


Either way, masks are useless.


All they really are is pacifiers for scared people and symbols of control for the elite.
I agree with you. I can't see how paper and cloth masks could possibly work. Plus they gape, so if someone has COVID or even the common cold, it would spread everywhere!

But I don't where a paper or cloth mask. I wear a thick carbon mask, called a Respro mask. It is used by courier bicyclists to stop them from breathing in so much pollution. It's been tested for COVID. It's about 92% efficacy. It filters out molecules, so a virus can be filtered easily. They are expensive, I have 3 of them. I've been using it for 30 years around sick people, during forest fires, and in the past, around smokers. If I got exposed to second hand smoke, that was a quick trip to the ER. But wearing the mask, I was fine.

So try not to make assumptions. I think I have said this many times. Google Respro mask. It is tight fitting, a metal nose piece. My son-in-law gave us a box of N-95s. They terrified me. My husband wore them. But then he bought a mask to ski in, with filters. That's what he wears. Real masks that stop the virus. Never those flimsy pieces of someone's old Tshirt!
 

shittim

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So sad to see people who claim to be Christian spreading fear and using silly face diapers. A chain link fence can't keep mosquitos out of a yard and face diapers cannot protect from virus's.
 

Angela53510

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The "vaccine" doesn't work.

People still get covid, and worse side effects, after they have been given the shot.


So to ask for something that doesn't work wouldn't make any sense.
No, you have been lied to. Take myocarditis! Yes, some young males get it from some of the vaccines. I just read if a case where someone hit it from the vax. They rested for a week, and it was gone. So a few hundred got it from the vaccine.

But the same side effect also occurs from COVID, but a 1000 x more! Same for everything. COVID's variety is much worse. I had no reaction at all to the vax. My entire family and extended have been double vaxxed. Some had a sore arm, that was the worst. That's a lot of people!

The real misinformation and propaganda comes from anti-vaxers. That's the real conspiracy. So far, I have not been sick from anything since the pandemic started, although I attribute that to my mask. As I said before, the bottom of my lungs have dried out after decades of being filled, from numerous pneumonias. They are functioning normally!

I hope I don't get COVID and have to test whether the vax helps. But, I'm sure I have a better chance with it, than depending upon my junky immune system!
 

Angela53510

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Would Jesus Wear a Mask?


It seems that the most notable debate in the church today is not about salvation or sanctification but masks. One side says we must always obey the government. The other side says the other side is no better than the German church in World War II, and we should resist mask mandates.

I wish that the church approached the issues of salvation and sanctification with the same fervor. Can you imagine the effect on our neighborhoods if we focused our passionate feelings about masks toward the unsaved and those not growing in their Christ-likeness?

One side quotes Romans 13:1–2. “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.” By doing so we are free from the fear of punishment (13:3–4), our consciences are clear (13:5), and workers [i.e., government officials] are worthy of their wages (13:6; cf. 1 Tim 5:18).

If you find yourself on this side of the argument, do you always drive the speed limit? Do you come to a complete stop at a stop sign? Do you signal a lane change even when there is no one on the road? Do you report income from a garage sale?

The other side quotes Acts 4:19–20. When the ruling Jewish authorities demanded that they stop preaching Jesus, Peter and John replied, “Which is right in God’s eyes: to listen to you, or to him? You be the judges! As for us, we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.” This side also quotes Acts 5:29. “We must obey God rather than human beings!” and argues that biblically-mandated worship is impossible with masks.

But do you obey God all the time? Do you gossip? Do you talk about people who are not present? Do you give generously to your church (2 Cor 8:7) since workers are deserving of their wages? Do you detest what is evil and cling to what is good (Rom 12:9)?

Why do so many people speak in absolutes, when so many brothers and sisters hold the opposite position? Where is the grace?

I have spoken with enough pastors to know that mask mandates are tearing churches apart. People are leaving the church. Pastors are leaving their church.

I think the basic principle is clear: obey your governing rulers, even if that ruler is Nero, as in Paul’s day. But when the government tells you to do something that is contrary to God’s laws, then we cannot obey the government. God outweighs Nero. But are mask mandates contrary to God’s laws — I’m still looking for that verse — or are they a violation of my personal freedom?

was reading Romans 14 the other day, and if you allow me the freedom to change the text a little, you’ll see what I am getting at. The words in italics are mine, not Paul’s. The difficulty of this passage is determining which theological position is “weak” and which is “strong,” so I will paraphrase the passage two different ways.

Paul starts with his general principle. “Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. “ And then he continues:

“One person’s faith requires them to wear masks, but another, whose faith is weak, does not wear masks. The one who wears a mask must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not wear a mask must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.”​

Now to switch the weak and strong:

“One person’s faith requires them not to wear masks, but another, whose faith is weak, wears masks. The one who does not wear a mask must not treat with contempt the one who does wear a mask, and the one who does not wear a mask must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.”​

And Paul continues:

“Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. None of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. Each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.”​

And to put a final note of solemnity behind all this, I was reading in 1 Cor 8:12 this morning about the same topic of “weak” and “strong”:

“When you sin against them [i.e., your brothers and sisters] in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.”​

Before you start guessing what I believe about masks, be assured that you cannot tell from what I am saying. Please don’t shoot the messenger. But I am convinced that the COVID pandemic has given Christians the greatest platform we have had in years to show our neighbors that we are different and that our hope is not in this world but in Christ.

When we split churches, we have failed.


My Greek teacher and Bible translator! But
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So sad to see people who claim to be Christian spreading fear and using silly face diapers. A chain link fence can't keep mosquitos out of a yard and face diapers cannot protect from virus's.
If anyone here is spreading fear it is people like you. Who are spreading fear about something that could save peoples lives.
 

Aidan1

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So sad to see people who claim to be Christian spreading fear and using silly face diapers. A chain link fence can't keep mosquitos out of a yard and face diapers cannot protect from virus's.
Shittim, nobody claimed that the mask can protect you from any virus. But it reduces the risk, combined with 1,5m distance.
Btw. Who told you to take diapers in your face?
 

John146

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No, but I am not working on the intensiv care ward. But I can ask them the next time I am on duty.
Remdesivir is a drug that Fauci helped develop and is responsible for many thousands of death. Hospitals have been given financial incentives to use it for COVID treatment. Fauci cannot be trusted. Whatever he says, we should do the opposite.
 

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PennEd

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As we approach 17,000 solely AMERICAN REPORTED deaths (minimum of 10 Xs MORE unreported) from the gene therapy, the cognitive dissonance seems to only grow stronger with those desperately trying to convince themselves that everything the “conspiracy theorists “ have said is true:

And remember, had these people gotten the virus, the overwhelming vast majority would have survived and then had natural immunity:

https://openvaers.com/covid-data
 

Aidan1

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Remdesivir is a drug that Fauci helped develop and is responsible for many thousands of death. Hospitals have been given financial incentives to use it for COVID treatment. Fauci cannot be trusted. Whatever he says, we should do the opposite.
I dont have anything to do with Fauci.
 
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Please showh where anyone said put a diaper on their face.

Can you?
Not being ugly.

But when i read this i thought about how every store i go to asks pple to wear a mask.

Novel idea.

Get a real diaper or make one and smear the front with chocolate pudding.

Write on it "face diaper."

Just a little funny thought
 

shittim

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oh my!!!!!:giggle:

Why don't the face diaper wearers actually wear real diapers to protect us from their expelled gases? Don't they claim to care about others? ;):unsure::giggle::giggle::giggle:
 
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oh my!!!!!:giggle:

Why don't the face diaper wearers actually wear real diapers to protect us from their expelled gases? Don't they claim to care about others? ;):unsure::giggle::giggle::giggle:
somebody said they are doing it.

I think rand paul( or somebody) pointed ot out.

Hilarious.

But i believe they have sold out to satan. So they will never again be rational.
 
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oh my!!!!!:giggle:

Why don't the face diaper wearers actually wear real diapers to protect us from their expelled gases? Don't they claim to care about others? ;):unsure::giggle::giggle::giggle:
there you go again. Who wears face diapers?

come on man, how can we take you seriously when you make silly comments like this?
 

shittim

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I see a link of this being the Great End Time Deception we were warned of and how Jesus said He would separate His sheep from the adversaries goats. I see what you mean, this may well be the final separating of the saved from the lost.
 
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