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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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iamsoandso

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Dying is just a side effect proving the "vaccine" is working!

Covid-19 Outbreak Kills 8 Fully Vaxxed Residents at Connecticut Nursing Home


A Covid outbreak at a Connecticut nursing home has killed 8 fully vaccinated residents and infected 89 others.
Among the 89 people infected at Geer Village Senior Community in Canaan, 87 were fully vaccinated.


“Despite the highly infectious nature of this disease, our employees were able to protect their residents, themselves, and their families through the initial peak of this pandemic. They did this during a time when we least understood Covid-19 and struggled to find the supplies and funding to persevere as the virus spread. We are tremendously proud of our employees for their dedication to the people we care for,” Geer Village Senior Community CEO Kevin O’Connell said in a statement.
NBC Connecticut reported:

It's probably the NBC part(everyone searches the things people post)... NBC oftentimes words things one way,then another to so it makes people conclude things,, the article you gave is a good example because it makes you think that 8 people died there in the last few weeks. Here's another article from the same source(NBC) on the same subject but it says they died "since the start of the coronavirus outbreak"(so across almost two years) https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...id-outbreak-connecticut-nursing-home-rcna5696 It makes you wonder when NBC does this if anything they said was accurate.
 
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Dying is just a side effect proving the "vaccine" is working!

Covid-19 Outbreak Kills 8 Fully Vaxxed Residents at Connecticut Nursing Home


A Covid outbreak at a Connecticut nursing home has killed 8 fully vaccinated residents and infected 89 others.
Among the 89 people infected at Geer Village Senior Community in Canaan, 87 were fully vaccinated.


“Despite the highly infectious nature of this disease, our employees were able to protect their residents, themselves, and their families through the initial peak of this pandemic. They did this during a time when we least understood Covid-19 and struggled to find the supplies and funding to persevere as the virus spread. We are tremendously proud of our employees for their dedication to the people we care for,” Geer Village Senior Community CEO Kevin O’Connell said in a statement.
NBC Connecticut reported:
Let’s see how fake news happens. It reports part of the story. And tries to make it appear as something which is not true

lets look at some other reports of this same incident.

CBS news

COVID outbreak at Connecticut nursing home leaves 8 dead
Li Cohen

Tue, November 16, 2021, 8:46 AM·2 min read
A Connecticut nursing home has moved into recovery mode after suffering an outbreak of COVID-19. Geer Village said that the outbreak, which started in September, left eight residents dead and 89 residents and staff members infected.

The North Canaan-based facility, which includes independent and assisted living among other services, said it conducts bi-weekly testing on residents and staff. In a statement, Director of Nursing Cady Bloodgood and Chief Executive Officer Kevin O'Connell said they are continuing to "monitor the situation closely."

"Sadly, we have lost 8 residents with serious underlying health issues to COVID," the facility said on Friday. "We are encouraged to see 69 staff and residents already recovered and coming off isolation. While we must continue with COVID-19 prevention protocols, we want to assure everyone we are doing our best to keep residents and staff safe."
Break….…..


NY Post

COVID-19 outbreak at Connecticut nursing home kills 8, infects 89
By
Joshua Rhett Miller
November 16, 2021 11:41am
Updated

Eight residents at a Connecticut nursing home have died in a COVID-19 outbreak at the facility in less than seven weeks, administrators said.

Sixty-seven residents and 22 staffers at Geer Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in North Canaan have tested positive for the virus since Sept. 30, administrators said in a statement Friday.

Sadly, we have lost 8 residents with serious underlying health issues to Covid,” the nursing home said. “We are encouraged to see 69 staff and residents already recovered and coming off isolation.”

A total of 48 residents and 21 staffers have since recovered at the facility, which is now being monitored by the state Department of Public Health, NECN reported.


Notice how the origional post left this information out? Serious health issues. Yet it appears all of the staff and residents who did not have these “serious health issues” survived.

It also appears that the whole home is waiting to get a booster shot. Now why would you do this if you feared that the shot was no good or deadly. And did not help people?

Once again, When you want to see only what you want to see you can find it. Welcome to the modern age of social media.
 
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It's probably the NBC part(everyone searches the things people post)... NBC oftentimes words things one way,then another to so it makes people conclude things,, the article you gave is a good example because it makes you think that 8 people died there in the last few weeks. Here's another article from the same source(NBC) on the same subject but it says they died "since the start of the coronavirus outbreak"(so across almost two years) https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...id-outbreak-connecticut-nursing-home-rcna5696 It makes you wonder when NBC does this if anything they said was accurate.
according to what I read these deaths started in September, sp it is a few months

they did not mention a thing about the health condition of the people who died though

Thats called leaving out pertinent information to skew the story to what you want it to tell.
 

iamsoandso

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according to what I read these deaths started in September, sp it is a few months

they did not mention a thing about the health condition of the people who died though

Thats called leaving out pertinent information to skew the story to what you want it to tell.

In the link he gave(post I quoted) there is another link from Greer at the bottom (blue "here") in it they said they had lost 8 people but it gives two dates September-November 2021 but the numbers they give are different in the NBC articles so 67 residents,,22 staff =89 here's that link https://www.geercares.org/nursing-covid-19-update-11-12-2021/
 
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I got vaccinated. My father had colon cancer, vascular surgery, and needed 8 units of blood last year. We both got COVID, but his was worse, and required special medicine. I did it for him. So, that would be done out of love.

However, I will say that in our small town/county, I have prayed for many who HAD gotten the vaccinations, and gotten COVID anyway, and most of them died. I'm not certain the vaccinations actually help -- and I had bad reactions to both vaccinations. I'm uncertain if I am even going to get the booster shot. I know a few people who refused to get the vaccinations out of fear of long-term effects. I believe the most loving thing to do is to respect any person's decision since each case is different.

I see that some have stated on this question that it is a mark of the beast. However, the Antichrist has not been revealed yet. Nobody is certain what form the mark of the beast will take, though many believe that it will be the injection of a chip. This might be a prelude to it, but it is not the mark of the beast. I did not sign up for the "V-Chip" tracking system, though. (SMILE)!

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Interesting article on the history of smallpox and the smallpox vaccine (actually I did not know it. But the term vaccine came from the attempt to cure smallpox, by using cowpox.

The article can be found here

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1200696/

Here is a snip from the article. One must remember, by the tine many years of study had been concluded, unlike the covid vaccine which has not even been on trial for 2 years yet.

In Europe, where the medical profession was relatively organized, the new methods of variolation became known quickly among physicians. Since there was also a demand for protection against smallpox, physicians soon began the variolation procedure on a massive scale. Although 2% to 3% of variolated persons died from the disease, became the source of another epidemic, or suffered from diseases (e.g., tuberculosis and syphilis) transmitted by the procedure itself, variolation rapidly gained popularity among both aristocratic and common people in Europe. The case-fatality rate associated with variolation was 10 times lower than that associated with naturally occurring smallpox. In the 1750s more European princes died of smallpox, giving further impetus for the use of variolation (3). Among those variolated were Empress Marie-Therese of Austria and her children and grandchildren, Frederick II of Prussia, King Louis XVI of France and his children, and Catherine II of Russia and her son. King Frederick II of Prussia also inoculated all his soldiers. In fact, variolation was widely practiced in Europe until Jenner's discovery.

The regular practice of variolation reached the New World in 1721 (9). Under the guidance of the Rev. Cotton Mather (1663–1728) and Dr. Zabdiel Boylston (1679–1766), variolation became quite popular in the colonies. Mather, a graduate of Harvard College, was always very interested in science and medicine. When a ship from the West Indies carried persons sick with smallpox into Boston in 1721, an epidemic broke out in Boston and other parts of Massachusetts. Mather wrote a cautious letter recommending immediate variolation. However, he persuaded only Dr. Boylston. With Mather's support, Boylston immediately started a variolation program and continued to inoculate many volunteers, despite many adversaries in both the public and the medical community in Boston. As the disease spread, so did the controversy around Mather and Boylston (12). At the height of the epidemic, a bomb was thrown into Mather's house.

To make their point, Mather and Boylston used a statistical approach to compare the mortality rate of natural smallpox infection with that contracted by variolation. During the great epidemic of 1721, approximately half of Boston's 12,000 citizens contracted smallpox. The fatality rate for the naturally contracted disease was 14%, whereas Boylston and Mather reported a mortality rate of only 2% among variolated individuals (12). This may have been the first time that comparative analysis was used to evaluate a medical procedure.



of interest is the fact that 2 % of the people who had the innoculation still died. While only 14 % of those who did nt have it died.

Yet we have people screaming here that people still are dieting even after recieving an injection as it it is some new thing that never happened before
 
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I got vaccinated. My father had colon cancer, vascular surgery, and needed 8 units of blood last year. We both got COVID, but his was worse, and required special medicine. I did it for him. So, that would be done out of love.

However, I will say that in our small town/county, I have prayed for many who HAD gotten the vaccinations, and gotten COVID anyway, and most of them died. I'm not certain the vaccinations actually help -- and I had bad reactions to both vaccinations. I'm uncertain if I am even going to get the booster shot. I know a few people who refused to get the vaccinations out of fear of long-term effects. I believe the most loving thing to do is to respect any person's decision since each case is different.

I see that some have stated on this question that it is a mark of the beast. However, the Antichrist has not been revealed yet. Nobody is certain what form the mark of the beast will take, though many believe that it will be the injection of a chip. This might be a prelude to it, but it is not the mark of the beast. I did not sign up for the "V-Chip" tracking system, though. (SMILE)!

servantanna
Mark of the beast

In the hand or the forhead

Will not be able to buy or sell

Will have the number of a man, 666.

The covid vax is not in the hand or the forehead

You can still buy or sell

There is no number attached to it
 

gb9

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How are certain people supposed to do this?

Remember, Covid does not affect most people, they already are strong enough to fight it.
well, i can't speak for everyone.

what people do or do not do is up to them, there doctor, they can pray about it.

there is the thing that called assumed risk,

if you drive, you might get in a car crash. if you fly, the plane might crash. if you sail, the boat might sink,

if you eat in restaurant , you might get food poisoning, even if you take meds from a doctor, you might have a negative reaction from the meds...

you see, i am not responsible for everyone around me's health.
 
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well, i can't speak for everyone.

what people do or do not do is up to them, there doctor, they can pray about it.

there is the thing that called assumed risk,

if you drive, you might get in a car crash. if you fly, the plane might crash. if you sail, the boat might sink,

if you eat in restaurant , you might get food poisoning, even if you take meds from a doctor, you might have a negative reaction from the meds...

you see, i am not responsible for everyone around me's health.
I agree. They are

and some people are at risk and should do whatever it takes, even if it means taking the jab.

we need to stop, open up our country before more people go under and stop worrying about so much

as a friend said today we are in more danger locking things down, spreading fear and forcing everyone to wear masks, than we are if we open everything back to pre-covid status

the anti vacc crowd is doing our country no goos spreading fear and the liberal left is doing our country no good by screaming everyone needs to get vaccinated and we need to lock everything up
 
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You are still completely clueless after almost 24 months of deception by the governments and public health agencies. So pay close attention to this article:

Big Pharma exec: COVID shots are 'gene therapy' ... not vaccines!
Acknowledges public would have refused method prior to pandemic

Many skeptics have contended that the mRNA-based Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 shots are not "vaccines" but rather a form of gene therapy that poses untold risks by altering a recipient's DNA.

The federal government and health-care experts have denied that claim. But the president of Bayer's Pharmaceuticals Division is on record describing the mRNA shots as "cell and gene therapy" and acknowledging public wariness of the technology. Bayer executive Stefan Oelrich, LifeSiteNews reported, made the statement at the World Health Summit, which took place in Berlin Oct. 24-26, drawing 6,000 people from 120 countries.

Oelrich said his company is "really taking that leap" to drive innovation "in cell and gene therapies." "Ultimately, the mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy," he said. "I always like to say: If we had surveyed two years ago in the public – 'would you be willing to take a gene or cell therapy and inject it into your body?' – we probably would have had a 95% refusal rate," Oelrich said.

In August, Reuters ran a "fact check" citing experts who contend that the technology in the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna shots are not gene therapy.

Both shots use a piece of genetic code from SARS-CoV-2 to prompt an immune response in recipients. But Dr. Adam Taylor, a virologist and researcher at Griffith University in Australia, insisted that while it's "a genetic-based therapy," it doesn't alter a person's genes. “Gene therapy, in the classical sense, involves making deliberate changes to a patient’s DNA in order to treat or cure them," he said. "mRNA vaccines will not enter a cell’s nucleus that houses your DNA genome. There is zero risk of these vaccines integrating into our own genome or altering our genetic makeup." [NOTE: THAT IS COMPLETELY FALSE]

At the Berlin summit, the Bayer executive said that his company's "successes" over the 18 months of the pandemic "should embolden us to fully focus much more closely on access, innovation and collaboration to unleash health for all, especially as we enter, on top of everything else that is happening, a new era of science – a lot of people talk about the Bio Revolution in this context."

LifeSiteNews noted that, according to the McKinsey Global Institute, the "Bio Revolution" is "a confluence of advances in biological science and accelerating development of computing, automation, and artificial intelligence [that] is fueling a new wave of innovation." "This Bio Revolution could have significant impact on economies and our lives, from health and agriculture to consumer goods, and energy and materials."

Oelrich said Bayer also is working at reducing the populations of Third World countries, investing $400 million in "long-acting contraceptives" and partnering with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation on "family planning initiatives."

https://www.wnd.com/2021/11/4960874/

at the beginning, they did admit it was gene therapy...I posted about it myself way back

the lies are so bad they amount to gaslighting

it's like: oh you never heard that. you didn't read that. but you know that you did

in fact, the delivery of this vial of God knows what, is EXPERIMENTAL...big pharma has had that cooking in labs for years but could not get it to the place where they were ready to introduce it...too many problems with it

this is the reason companies are free from prosecution. were all of us really that desperate to accept anything as a cure or preventative for this 'pandemic'?

I don't thank Trump for this and of course I don't know what another president would have done. however, I doubt Trump would have handled things in the manner that has been done
 
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at the beginning, they did admit it was gene therapy...I posted about it myself way back

the lies are so bad they amount to gaslighting

it's like: oh you never heard that. you didn't read that. but you know that you did

in fact, the delivery of this vial of God knows what, is EXPERIMENTAL...big pharma has had that cooking in labs for years but could not get it to the place where they were ready to introduce it...too many problems with it

this is the reason companies are free from prosecution. were all of us really that desperate to accept anything as a cure or preventative for this 'pandemic'?

I don't thank Trump for this and of course I don't know what another president would have done. however, I doubt Trump would have handled things in the manner that has been done
This is so bad

I was one of the first to get the jab when it came out and even I knew it was gene therapy. This nonsense if they were holding things back is just nonsense. People forget so quickly. They just want to hide it like it’s not there so they can make themselves look good.

Or maybe you all were just to busy in a chat room spreading whatever you want to spread you maybe did not see what was going on?
 

Nehemiah6

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I don't thank Trump for this and of course I don't know what another president would have done.
Here is what another president would have done, if he was working strictly for Americans, and not for himself or China:

1. Fired Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Hahn, and all the people in the top positions relating to public health and scientific research back in 2016. Then cleaned house in 2016 (which he failed to do) with honest, hardworking, patriotic Americans. Those evil conspirators had a plan to destroy America, and Trump gave their full authority to do so. RFK Jr has just recently publicly denounced this plot to destroy America.

2. Appointed an honest and knowledgeable top-notch scientist in 2016 to carefully research all the shenanigans that had been going on in connection with coronavirus since 2000, and to shut down everything. By 2020 there would have been total awareness of the COVID Conspiracy.

3. Shut down all funding for bio-weapon research, and thoroughly investigated FDA. CDC. NIH, NIAID, WHO, etc, and made sure that there would be no dishonest reporting by any of these liars. Then produced an honest report about what was really happening with Big Pharma and how China had already declared war on the USA, and how all this would be countered.

4. Deported all Chinese scientists, researchers, students, and secret agents from the USA with a total ban on immigration and travel from China. The CCP does not have an open door policy for the foreign devils (gwailo) from America, but America is the exact opposite and allowed the Chinese to flood the universities, research centers, and sensitive operations.

5. Made himself fully aware of the plans of the globalist elites and the Chinese to create a PLANDEMIC and then created a counter-plan to stop the sabotage of America and his presidency. In hindsight it looks like Trump was on the side of the conspirators.

6. Shut down all travel to and from China in January, 2020 until further notice. Also shut down all commerce with China until the matter of coronavirus was resolved to his satisfaction. At the same time brought back all the jobs and industries which had been handed to China on a sliver platter. Then made America self-sufficient while rooting out the traitors.

8. Appointed Dr. Vladimir Zelenko as the head of his Wuhan virus task force in March,. 2020. Zelenko would have made sure that no one died from coronavirus, and no evil propaganda would go forth from the task force against HCQ, ivermectin, etc.

9. Educated himself about viruses, natural immunity, and real vaccines, and made sure he was not conned into Operation Warp Speed. Trump had no excuse for failing to educate himself while allowing Dr. Death to control the narrative. There was a time when Trump stood with RFK Jr on the harmful effects of vaccines. Then he did an about face and now wants his base to get the jab. He was booed for even suggesting that.

10, Resisted all attempts at lockdowns, masking, distancing etc and carefully studied Sweden so that America would not be locked down. Canada would have followed suit, and pretty soon all the Western countries would have followed Sweden, and prevented the disaster which destroyed lives and businesses.
 
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Did you just put a laughing emoji on the "8 vaxxed people die" post?

Or was that an error.

I certainly hope it was the latter!
To be honest,I just looked at the first statement and thought you were being sarcastic.
 

Nehemiah6

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That sounds like advice to think of yourself,what about your neighbor that's high risk,don't they trust In GOD?
If they trust in God they will believe that God has given them an outstanding immune system. But He expects people to take care of themselves so that the immune system remains robust. If you wish to damage your immune system, you take the jab:

Covid Vaccines Damage The Immune System And Cause Illness And Death
https://principia-scientific.com/co...he-immune-system-and-cause-illness-and-death/

Someone on this forum has recently accused me of being the greatest fear-mongerer around. But scientific and medical facts are facts, the opposite of fear.
 

PennEd

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Said back in March 2020 this, and depopulation was the goal of the evil elite as they kicked off their plandemic.

Now more news organizations are picking up this is where we’re headed.



Introducing subcutaneous vaccine passports

Medical information can be stored under the skin with the help of microneedles.

Published: November 15, 2021, 11:11 am

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/11/15/introducing-subcutaneous-vaccine-passports/
 

gb9

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Said back in March 2020 this, and depopulation was the goal of the evil elite as they kicked off their plandemic.

Now more news organizations are picking up this is where we’re headed.



Introducing subcutaneous vaccine passports

Medical information can be stored under the skin with the help of microneedles.

Published: November 15, 2021, 11:11 am

https://freewestmedia.com/2021/11/15/introducing-subcutaneous-vaccine-passports/

and those of us who said this was coming were mocked and and called crazy conspiracy theorists.....
 

iamsoandso

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If they trust in God they will believe that God has given them an outstanding immune system. But He expects people to take care of themselves so that the immune system remains robust. If you wish to damage your immune system, you take the jab:

Covid Vaccines Damage The Immune System And Cause Illness And Death
https://principia-scientific.com/co...he-immune-system-and-cause-illness-and-death/

Someone on this forum has recently accused me of being the greatest fear-mongerer around. But scientific and medical facts are facts, the opposite of fear.

And see I thought I was the greatest fear monger around,,,lol... Then again I think the vaxers and the anti-vaxers stand about the same chance against C-19. Robust immune system went out the window years ago when they began using the different preservatives,then GMO ingredients ect.,,,heck even the dopers in the recreational legal states are consuming GMO "crisper"=GMO dope(just too high to know it)... Then there's the deer dying from C-19 in multiple states(just as hunting season opens),,,that's what happens when they fill their feeders with(you guessed it) GMO corn right? They may never figure it out it's like the commercial "do more drugs so I can work harder,,,so I can buy more drugs,,,,so I can work harder,,so I can buy more drugs...". The people will keep buying the stuff at Walmart,Kmart ect. and fully well know that it's just making China rich because they do but you watch they'll say "look China took that money and developed hyper-sonic weapons to use against us",,,,,,,,,,,and just keep on buying it so they can keep importing it,,,and making weapons to use against us with those profits we handed to them....
 
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SophieT

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Here is what another president would have done, if he was working strictly for Americans, and not for himself or China:

1. Fired Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Hahn, and all the people in the top positions relating to public health and scientific research back in 2016. Then cleaned house in 2016 (which he failed to do) with honest, hardworking, patriotic Americans. Those evil conspirators had a plan to destroy America, and Trump gave their full authority to do so. RFK Jr has just recently publicly denounced this plot to destroy America.

2. Appointed an honest and knowledgeable top-notch scientist in 2016 to carefully research all the shenanigans that had been going on in connection with coronavirus since 2000, and to shut down everything. By 2020 there would have been total awareness of the COVID Conspiracy.

3. Shut down all funding for bio-weapon research, and thoroughly investigated FDA. CDC. NIH, NIAID, WHO, etc, and made sure that there would be no dishonest reporting by any of these liars. Then produced an honest report about what was really happening with Big Pharma and how China had already declared war on the USA, and how all this would be countered.

4. Deported all Chinese scientists, researchers, students, and secret agents from the USA with a total ban on immigration and travel from China. The CCP does not have an open door policy for the foreign devils (gwailo) from America, but America is the exact opposite and allowed the Chinese to flood the universities, research centers, and sensitive operations.

5. Made himself fully aware of the plans of the globalist elites and the Chinese to create a PLANDEMIC and then created a counter-plan to stop the sabotage of America and his presidency. In hindsight it looks like Trump was on the side of the conspirators.

6. Shut down all travel to and from China in January, 2020 until further notice. Also shut down all commerce with China until the matter of coronavirus was resolved to his satisfaction. At the same time brought back all the jobs and industries which had been handed to China on a sliver platter. Then made America self-sufficient while rooting out the traitors.

8. Appointed Dr. Vladimir Zelenko as the head of his Wuhan virus task force in March,. 2020. Zelenko would have made sure that no one died from coronavirus, and no evil propaganda would go forth from the task force against HCQ, ivermectin, etc.

9. Educated himself about viruses, natural immunity, and real vaccines, and made sure he was not conned into Operation Warp Speed. Trump had no excuse for failing to educate himself while allowing Dr. Death to control the narrative. There was a time when Trump stood with RFK Jr on the harmful effects of vaccines. Then he did an about face and now wants his base to get the jab. He was booed for even suggesting that.

10, Resisted all attempts at lockdowns, masking, distancing etc and carefully studied Sweden so that America would not be locked down. Canada would have followed suit, and pretty soon all the Western countries would have followed Sweden, and prevented the disaster which destroyed lives and businesses.

sounds like a plan

if only
 

PennEd

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But it’s SAFE (for the pharm companies liability)
And EFFECTIVE ( in killing people and giving massive profits)


BREAKING NEWS: Pfizer Hid from Public the Number of Deaths in COVID Clinical Trials — Actual Number Was 21 Which Was 6 More than was Reported and 4 More than Unvaccinated Group

Pfizer lied about the number of individuals who died during thir COVID vaccine trials.
The actual number of deaths during the clinical trials was 21 not 16 as was originally reported.
This was four more deaths than the clinical trials control group.

So Pfizer lied about their deadly trials and just reported their greatest earnings ever.
When do the arrests start?

On July 28, Pfizer and its partner BioNTech posted a six-month data update from their key Covid vaccine clinical trial, the one that led regulators worldwide to okay the shot.

At a time when questions about vaccine effectiveness were rising, the report received worldwide attention. Pfizer said the vaccine’s efficacy remained relatively strong, at 84 percent after six months.

It also reported 15 of the roughly 22,000 people who received the vaccine in the trial had died, compared to 14 of the 22,000 people who received placebo (a saline shot that didn’t contain the vaccine).

These were not just Covid deaths. In fact, they were mostly not from Covid. Only three of the people in the trial died of Covid-related illnesses – one who received the vaccine, and two who who received the saline shot. The other deaths were from other illnesses and diseases, mostly cardiovascular.
More from Berenson.

From Dose 1 through the March 13, 2021 data cutoff date, there were a total of 38 deaths, 21 in the COMIRNATY [vaccine] group and 17 in the placebo group.

Pfizer said publicly in July it had found 15 deaths among vaccine recipients by mid-March. But it told the FDA there were 21 – at the same data cutoff end date, March 13.

21 not 15

The placebo figure in the trial was also wrong. Pfizer had 17 deaths among placebo recipients, not 14. Nine extra deaths overall, six among vaccine recipients.
According to the VAERS website there were 12,412 deaths linked to the Pfizer vaccine this year.
 
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