Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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Yahshua

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Remember Hezekiah?
He did all he could do to stop the army coming to besiege Jerusalem and then he prayed.

Look, if God wants you dead no vaccine in the world has a chance of working....but at the same time you don't go walking into an infectious disease ward at the hospital without protection either. (Over temptation and testing are strongly discouraged by scriptures)

And as far as speaking for God?
Nope.

I'm just stating the blatantly obvious truth.
Absolutely terrible analogy. Tempting the Almighty has everything to do with "going to extremes" to force Him to save or preserve you. Actively putting oneself in harm's way.

The Messiah throwing Himself off a cliff would've been extreme, while someone pushing Him off is worth of being carried on eagles wings; handling poisonous snakes is extreme while being randomly bitten by a poisonous snake is worth of immunity (like with Paul), going around kissing or licking people clearly suffering disease is extreme and temptation, but walking around people who otherwise are showing absolutely no symptoms is not extreme in the slightest.
 

Yahshua

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Turns out I could not feel ill effects of Covid, but I could carry it and pass it to others. I am A Symptomatic!
Check out what a former vice president and CSO of Pfizer, and scientist, Dr. Michael Yeadon, said about this very notion of asymptomatic spreading.


Another full interview he participated in.


14mins in, he specifically speaks to how asymptomatic spreading is impossible (for those who'd rather not listen to the full interview).

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My question is, how do you (AandW) know something in you, particularly, made others sick? Someone told you you were "positive" right, but how do you know without symptoms?
 

SophieT

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I am not a fan of Science in the notion of beliefs and we should always trust them over anything else.
I am a BIG fan of leaving my home, going out in public, meandering around among all peoples. And that happens to be where I've contacted Covid and spread it around.
And if Science can Vaccinate me so I can continue to mingle amongst God's creation, and it keeps me from Spreading Covid, I am on board 1000%
I might get back to you next week after I decipher what it is you think you said

then again, pretty sure I need to wash my hair
 

SophieT

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Exactly, my Doctor told me I was healthy as a Hog but still A Symptomatic meaning can't get Covid, but, can give it to YOU all day long!
are you bragging or complaining?

very very strange attitude you have going there...if we believe half of what you post
 

AandW

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Just as much as someone who is vaccinated can spread it...
What I do know is [before] Vaccination, several confirmed sickness and deaths occurred.
[After]Vaccination, not a single case in 9 months of anyone getting Covid after being near me.
 

AandW

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Pathetic. There's a major difference between living and mingling amongst "God's creation" and allowing God to be the ONE who is the Giver of such blessings. NOT world governments.
Then I should have refused the Vaccination and kept spreading Covid to everyone I met!
How FOOLISH am I to want to stop passing Covid and watching [more] family members being cremated with no funeral?
 

AandW

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Check out what a former vice president and CSO of Pfizer, and scientist, Dr. Michael Yeadon, said about this very notion of asymptomatic spreading.


Another full interview he participated in.


14mins in, he specifically speaks to how asymptomatic spreading is impossible (for those who'd rather not listen to the full interview).

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My question is, how do you (AandW) know something in you, particularly, made others sick? Someone told you you were "positive" right, but how do you know without symptoms?
I was quarantined and the swab testing kept coming back Negative, but my Blood Cells were Positive for Covid.
 

Angela53510

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Here's a great article. It's what I'm trying to say, but written well. A lot of people can relate to what he says!

https://shenviapologetics.com/a-min...v0gvt4OzlSO8Fv2I6CUC2ilYC2VW4M88p7ppXAQEgXL8I

"I’d like to make a case for COVID vaccination that requires minimal confidence in the government, public health officials, doctors, and scientists. Even if you believe that such lack of confidence is unwarranted, it may be useful to see how such a case can be made.

My argument will be based on three points.

  1. Death from COVID is roughly as likely as death from cancer. Consequently, to the same extent we seek to minimize the risk of death from cancer (even in young people, who don’t often die of cancer), we ought to seek to minimize the risk of death from COVID.
  2. Second, vaccines do indeed decrease the risk of COVID infection, hospitalization, and death. We can see this risk reduction clearly in recent data showing that the large majority of people currently being hospitalized for and dying of COVID are unvaccinated.
  3. The short-term risk of COVID vaccines (like the risk of all vaccines) is non-zero but small.Additionally, any wariness over the unknown long-term risks of the COVID vaccines has to be set against the long-term risks of COVID infection, which are equally unknown."
 

AandW

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14mins in, he specifically speaks to how asymptomatic spreading is impossible (for those who'd rather not listen to the full interview).
Something he said, is also what Harvard and other Independent studies have confirmed, Asymptomatic people can test Negative and still be Positive.
 

TheIndianGirl

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The following drugs use fetal cells in their development. Hospitals are asking Christians seeking religious exemption to sign this type of attestation form. What other reasons are there, besides fetal cell concerns, for religious exemption?

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TheIndianGirl

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I suspect a lot more drugs and treatments use fetal cells. Although I do find the use of fetal cells in vaccines/medicine unpleasant (it would be better if a miscarried fetus was used rather than aborted fetus my opinion), I believe there is no way to escape this issue if we rely on modern medicine. Perhaps homeopathy would be an option. Apparently animal cells were previously used in earlier times for medicine production but they do not yield good results; human cells are best and it seems there is a preference for fetal cells.
 

TMS

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there is so much info out there about why we should or shouldn't get the vaccine and it is confusing. Even if the vaccine is a good thing we should have the freedom to choose what we inject into our body. The question that we need to ask is,.. is the government doing the right thing by dividing society against itself and closing us in, is it right to scaremonger us to get the vaccine, and to threaten us with laws that go against our freedoms and our constitutional rights.

Are you willing to allow these laws to become normal?
 

TMS

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Then I should have refused the Vaccination and kept spreading Covid to everyone I met!
How FOOLISH am I to want to stop passing Covid and watching [more] family members being cremated with no funeral?
It is proven that getting the vaccine does not stop you from spreading it.
 

TheIndianGirl

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there is so much info out there about why we should or shouldn't get the vaccine and it is confusing. Even if the vaccine is a good thing we should have the freedom to choose what we inject into our body. The question that we need to ask is,.. is the government doing the right thing by dividing society against itself and closing us in, is it right to scaremonger us to get the vaccine, and to threaten us with laws that go against our freedoms and our constitutional rights.

Are you willing to allow these laws to become normal?
Even though I disagree with a lot of statements such as COVID is just a flu or that people will start dying off etc. if they take the vaccine, I do not believe people should be forced to take the vaccine. One reason is that I believe there should be more medical exemptions, such as for people with prior history of GBS, severe blood clots, etc.
 

Nehemiah6

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Even though I disagree with a lot of statements such as COVID is just a flu or that people will start dying off etc. if they take the vaccine...
You seem to be unaware of the realities of the COVID Scamdemic. Take some time to properly investigate this planned attack on everyone.

It is not "people will start dying off" as though nothing of the kind has happened. Hundreds of thousands have ALREADY died after being vaccinated. Go to the VAERS and Eudravigilance databases (which are official) and see for yourself.

As of July 17, 2021 there were 18,921 DEATHS and 1,823,218 injuries from COVID vaccines

https://www.shiftfrequency.com/eu-database-of-adverse-covid-19-drug-reactions-thru-july-2021/

These numbers are only for EU countries. When you take the whole world into account, you will be shocked. And you still wish to dither around about this matter!