Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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Runningman

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Yes if not and we split hairs it would be like us saying anyone who buys the stuff from Walmart,the dollar stores,Kmart ect. all are connected to and support slavery because we know that they use forced labor in China,Vietnam ect. to make them.
I don't know, the US government seems to have selective outrage where our money goes. If our money somehow gets into the hands of people from sanctioned countries, terrorist organizations, or organized crime then they might send law enforcement to drag us to jail.

Yet when we buy from places that sale products produced from slavery or child labor then no one seems to care. That doesn't change the fact that purchasing items from a merchant that could be aiding and abetting slavery/child labor is wrong.

This is what having a conscience seared with a hot iron feels like; despite knowing these sad and sobering truths, some people feel nothing.
 

Sipsey

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Yes it's quite similar to the news stories about the court cases where people would not give their children their diabetes medication or cancer treatment. Maybe we shouldn't receive any blood transfusions like the JW's say,,,maybe we should start with the vaccines and make a list of medications and treatments that are so to speak Kosher...
I saw an old quote recently, “It’s not the number of years in a life, it’s the life in those years.”

I accompanied my grandson to a few churches after his remission, to thank them for their prayers. He said things that touched so many, including myself. If one looks too far ahead, they can miss what’s at their feet.
 

iamsoandso

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I don't know, the US government seems to have selective outrage where our money goes. If our money somehow gets into the hands of people from sanctioned countries, terrorist organizations, or organized crime then they might send law enforcement to drag us to jail.

Yet when we buy from places that sale products produced from slavery or child labor then no one seems to care. That doesn't change the fact that purchasing items from a merchant that could be aiding and abetting slavery/child labor is wrong.

This is what having a conscience seared with a hot iron feels like; despite knowing these sad and sobering truths, some people feel nothing.

The Chinese are outspoken about how and who manufacture the things we import into the US(there cheap because slaves make them) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai
 

CS1

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Meds don't stop you getting ill in the first place. I do not understand why people are so keen to display their total ignorance of viruses and treatments. COVID-19 is called that because it is part of a family of viruses. This particular variant first appeared in 2019. It's similar to a number of other viruses. It is far more contagious than most. That's the problem. The other problem is the uninformed and ignorant speculation that deters people from doing something to stop the pandemic.

Wuhan may have released the virus. If they did, it was almost certainly accidental. You don't release a bioweapon in your own back yard. It would be easy to release it anywhere in the world. You don't walk into the bank where you have an account to rob it. "Hi Jenny, how you doin'? Stick em up!"
I see you are in the knowing more than the rest of us. I will let you talk to yourself I have injected you with "I.N.G.O.R.E
 

CS1

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There is one person telling everyone just because they did not die from the jab means:

your reasoning for not wanting it is unfounded. what possible concerns a person may have do have:


  • going to have a baby not wanting to get one while pregnant
  • the heal-care workers did not have one the whole time they saved lives per to test instead
  • Those under a doctors care told they are not to get it
  • religious exemptions
  • Have already had COVID-19 and do not need the vaccine

You people who disagree with this. That is not seeking what is best for "your fellow man" that is control.
 

SophieT

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Hah. Anti vaxxers would not know a fact if they tripped over it in the street. I've never heard so much baseless speculation in my 70 years on this earth. I have more respect for evolutionists than the anti vax brigade. And I have no respect for the theory of evolution.

I've had the jab. I'm still here. It is not lethal.
Virtually every word spoken against COVID vaccination. Simple one: lethal injection. I'm alive to prove that statement false.
let me help you with your arrogant ignorance

anti-vaxxer is a term that would apply to people who refuse ALL vaccinations. therefore, it is ignorant to call all those who refuse or do not want, to take the experimental vaccine an anti-vaxxer.

I have had numerous vaccines growing up and several as an adult. As an adult, I understand that not willing to take one certain vaccine, an experimental one at that, does not make me an anti-vaxxer.

I find it troubling that an individual, such as yourself, creates the 2 posts above and mocks while it is a fact that a good number of people have actually died from the covid shot and many more have had some pretty awful side effects and are in hospital because of it.

you seem to have a problem engaging your brain in your haste to declare yourself free and clear and still here. you do not know the long term side effects and continually stating you are still alive in the face of those whose loved ones are not, because of the vaccine, hardly classifies you as a caring person, let alone a Christian

and bragging is never good in either case

perhaps the correct term for people like you is anti-knowledge and lacking in the wisdom they should have while stating they are a believer

your opinions and personal experience do not qualify you as someone's doctor or a virologist or the manufacturer of these shots....who have actually posted all the side effects, including possible death, on their site....Pfizer in this case, since that is one people wrongly assume has been cleared by the FDA

just because you are pounding your chest to be noticed and making alot of noise, does not mean you actually have any sway in the real world
 
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President Donald Trump had a moral, legal, and ethical duty to follow through since he knew (or should have known ) that coronavirus was a bio-weapon, and that Anthony Fauci was the chief architect of this Plandemic/Scamdemic. He should have also been aware that the timing of its release coincided with the year of the next presidential election, when the whole world wanted to get rid of him by fair means or foul.

Fauci's murky record was already known and he should have been fired along with all the Deep State operatives when Trump took office back in 2016. So instead of setting up an INDEPENDENT PROFESSIONAL COMMISSION with a Special Prosecutor to investigate Fauci, Soros, Gates, China, Wuhan, WHO, CDC, NIH, NIAID, the Imperial College, and all the conspirators from Big Pharma involved, what did he do? He made Fauci in charge of his task force which eventually destroyed America.

So Trump is as culpable as Fauci in this matter, especially since he originated Operation Warp Speed and donated billions of taxpayer dollars to Big Pharma. And Fauci has been misleading the public ever since and getting away with it. He belongs behind bars, but will probably never be prosecuted. He is responsible for the deaths of millions since he deliberately sabotaged HCQ, the HCQ combo pack. Ivermectin, etc. He went far beyond the dreams of Nazi Dr. Mengele, "the Angel of Death".
Do you remember the AIDS Epidemic of the 1980's?

We thought touching same glass, that using same toilet, many many false things that resulted in a 9 year Indiana boy being threatened and denied access to school after it was learned his Blood Transfusion was done with infected AIDS. That young man was tortured for the short period of time he had left upon this Earth.

Do you know who was head of Infectious Viruses back in the 1980's like now 2021?

Fauci



Now, today, people have hiv and can live a long life that others can be around without worrying about such contact issues like back then.

My point is, every NEW VIRUS/Bio-Weapon released, has a learning curve.
 

Mofastus

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Some believe that getting vaccinated for the covid shows fear and a lack of faith and some believe that since GOD Is almighty,getting the vaccine even If It kills them shows love for their neighbor protecting them from the covid and GOD will look at their motivation for getting the shot.JESUS died for us and love covers a multitude of sins.
I am not a DARTBOARD hanging on a wall !
 
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FYI
On 20 August 2021 Dr. Robert Young published his team’s findings after analysing the four dominant COVID-19 “vaccines” using Phase Contrast Microscopy, Transmission and Scanning Electron Microscopy and Energy-Dispersive X-ray Spectroscopy. Their findings both confirm and expand upon the prior investigations carried out by Dr. Pablo Campra (University of Almeria, Spain), Dr. Juan F. Gastón Añaños (Hospital de Barbastro, Spain), as well as the recent pathology reports from autopsies of vaccinated deceased which were carried out by Prof. Dr. Arne Burkhardt, Prof. Dr. Walter Lang and Prof. Dr. Peter Schirmacher (Germany & Austria).

https://nobulart.com/covid-19-vaccine-ingredients/
ODD!

No matter how I click the search or copy/paste or type it in myself, this Site does not load and exist.
 

PennEd

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You act like the Jews just ran to the Nazi Headquarters and turned themselves in.
They were HUNTED like animals with traps set everywhere to deny their escape.
Except those that found sanctuary in the homes decent Christians that didn’t interpret Romans 13 the same way as the lethal injection cheerleaders.
 
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Except those that found sanctuary in the homes decent Christians that didn’t interpret Romans 13 the same way as the lethal injection cheerleaders.
So, protecting a life by hiding someone the Government [has condemned to Death at a 100% Rate], is the same [scenario] as a President knowing his Nation of 400 Million is facing a Bio-Weapon Attack from the Chinese Government and believes the Trump FDA Approved Vaccine is the BEST WAY to Combat it?

Hmmm, interesting Logic!
 

PennEd

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So, protecting a life by hiding someone the Government [has condemned to Death at a 100% Rate], is the same [scenario] as a President knowing his Nation of 400 Million is facing a Bio-Weapon Attack from the Chinese Government and believes the Trump FDA Approved Vaccine is the BEST WAY to Combat it?

Hmmm, interesting Logic!
Yes.

Volodymyr Salo: 19-year-old Ukrainian student gets Pfizer mRNA injection behind his family’s back, dead seven hours later

https://thecovidblog.com/2021/09/25...hind-his-familys-back-dead-seven-hours-later/
 

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I am new here so sorry for jumping in. I have been struggling on the decision myself. I have sincere Religious beliefs why I do not believe in the vaccine. I understand why people do and do not want to get the vaccine. I feel people should have the right to decide. As far as the questions I do not feel that getting the vaccine demonstrates love thy neighbor as me being vaccinated in no way protects someone unvaccinated. I can be vaccinated and still carry as much or even higher viral load than someone unvaccinated. Personally I feel more comfortable around unvaccinated people. At least from what they are telling me that most vaccinated has no symptoms, at least compared to unvaccinated. If the vaccine stopped transmission and stopped someone from getting covid then yes I feel it would be love thy neighbor but science clearly says it doesn't. The argument can be made but yes it will keep you out of the hospital and more beds for other people so yes that would be love thy neighbor. Sadly from what Israel is starting to tell us more and more vaccinated are going into hospitals at an increasing rate but who knows with all the different information out there. As far as getting vaccinated lacks Christian faith I don't believe I can judge anyone else so I would not judge someone that got the vaccine and believe that they lack Christian faith. Just a tough choice all around. Thank you.
 

SophieT

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I am new here so sorry for jumping in. I have been struggling on the decision myself. I have sincere Religious beliefs why I do not believe in the vaccine. I understand why people do and do not want to get the vaccine. I feel people should have the right to decide. As far as the questions I do not feel that getting the vaccine demonstrates love thy neighbor as me being vaccinated in no way protects someone unvaccinated. I can be vaccinated and still carry as much or even higher viral load than someone unvaccinated. Personally I feel more comfortable around unvaccinated people. At least from what they are telling me that most vaccinated has no symptoms, at least compared to unvaccinated. If the vaccine stopped transmission and stopped someone from getting covid then yes I feel it would be love thy neighbor but science clearly says it doesn't. The argument can be made but yes it will keep you out of the hospital and more beds for other people so yes that would be love thy neighbor. Sadly from what Israel is starting to tell us more and more vaccinated are going into hospitals at an increasing rate but who knows with all the different information out there. As far as getting vaccinated lacks Christian faith I don't believe I can judge anyone else so I would not judge someone that got the vaccine and believe that they lack Christian faith. Just a tough choice all around. Thank you.

makes sense to me

the thing is, don't let yourself be bullied into something your better judgement tells you not to do

talk it over with your doctor
 

TMS

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I am not anti vaccine. i believe the vaccine for polio was a great thing. i am not against medicine or getting help from doctors, but i believe in research and being wise.
The doctors told people it was safe to smoke cigarettes, and the doctors prescribed thalidomide and look at the out come of that.
It is up to each person to determine in their own heart what is best for them and those around them.
The moral issue i have is the fact that if you do not get a vaccine you are forced to quit your work, forced to not travel, and forced to isolate (not able to go to church). The vaccine passport is wrong and no one has the right to force people to get the vaccine.
 

Aidan1

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I am not anti vaccine. i believe the vaccine for polio was a great thing. i am not against medicine or getting help from doctors, but i believe in research and being wise.
The doctors told people it was safe to smoke cigarettes, and the doctors prescribed thalidomide and look at the out come of that.
It is up to each person to determine in their own heart what is best for them and those around them.
The moral issue i have is the fact that if you do not get a vaccine you are forced to quit your work, forced to not travel, and forced to isolate (not able to go to church). The vaccine passport is wrong and no one has the right to force people to get the vaccine.
Well in princip you are right, nobody can force you to take the vaccine. But it will become a problem when the majority took the vaccine. And if the goverment gives the vaccined people the possibility for travel and so on, back. The unvaccined become to a risk for the community.
If you want stay unvaccined then you have to be ready to bear the consequences.
In small is it that what will come in Future (Rev. 13) in germany next month, the people have to pay their pcr Tests from their own pocket. Possibility to get the vaccine Was there but they rejectet. Why the taxpayer should pay now for those which reject the Vaccine?
Its all not nice. Its also not nice to get Covid or spread it.
 

JohnDB

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Yes.

Volodymyr Salo: 19-year-old Ukrainian student gets Pfizer mRNA injection behind his family’s back, dead seven hours later

https://thecovidblog.com/2021/09/25...hind-his-familys-back-dead-seven-hours-later/
The Russians (including Ukraine) is using Sputnik and not Pfizer.

Sputnik, Sinopharm, Johnson and Johnson, and AstraZeneca all use the HK cell lines (derived from fetal tissue) that are 50-70 years old now.

So most likely correlation is not causation....if there was any deaths caused by taking vaccines they would have investigated it to the nth degree.

As it is this is more conspiracy theory nonsense.
 
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