Were Nephilim (Gen 6) judged differently by God?
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One interpretation, and the one I think is the one that is most probable so far in my understanding of the text, is that this is a reference to the fact that they were judged and bound in chains of darkness as a realm of darkness of which satan is the ruler of, and of which is the same as the kingdom of darkness.
They can't do what they want.
They have boundaries and can only attempt to influence and lead men astray through sin and can posses under certain conditions but they are bound in that realm of the spiritual darkness and can't just kill us all or they would have because they hate God and they want all people to join them in their eternal doom that they know is coming, as a way to hurt God because God's love and plan of redemption for man.
They want people to die before they are saved but they can't just kill everyone at will because they are bound by chains of darkness and so their focus is to bring people into chains of darkness through sin and rebellion.
They have suffered a pre judgment to be bound by chains in a prison of the realm of darkness with limitations as to what they can do, while they wait for the final judgment which is the Lake of Fire and they know is is coming.
Remember the serpent was cursed to crawl on his belly and there was something spiritual about that and more than just the animal. There has been levels of judgments put upon satan and the powers of darkness that is of a "limitation" nature which is called a prison and chains of darkness but to think that means that they are somewhere locked away where they are not able to attempt to influence men because they are in some kind of holding cell is probably not what he was saying.
They are in prison and bound by chains of darkness with limitations as to what they can do until the day in which they will suffer eternal fire. But that prison is the realm of darkness. The prince of the power of the air, but there is a boundary they can't cross. They seek to tempt men and but they cant just cross over and kill him at will. They are bound by chains of darkness. They can't get out. They wish they could and possesion is there best effort and even that is limited. Otherwise all would be possessed already. When the are cast out they are bound to dry places but this is not freedom. This is bound by chains of darkness and we are given glimpses and hints with little explanation. The picture that we do get is that they are limited. Bound. Restricted. By chains of darkness and the realm of darkness.
They can't do what they want.
They have boundaries and can only attempt to influence and lead men astray through sin and can posses under certain conditions but they are bound in that realm of the spiritual darkness and can't just kill us all or they would have because they hate God and they want all people to join them in their eternal doom that they know is coming, as a way to hurt God because God's love and plan of redemption for man.
They want people to die before they are saved but they can't just kill everyone at will because they are bound by chains of darkness and so their focus is to bring people into chains of darkness through sin and rebellion.
They have suffered a pre judgment to be bound by chains in a prison of the realm of darkness with limitations as to what they can do, while they wait for the final judgment which is the Lake of Fire and they know is is coming.
Remember the serpent was cursed to crawl on his belly and there was something spiritual about that and more than just the animal. There has been levels of judgments put upon satan and the powers of darkness that is of a "limitation" nature which is called a prison and chains of darkness but to think that means that they are somewhere locked away where they are not able to attempt to influence men because they are in some kind of holding cell is probably not what he was saying.
They are in prison and bound by chains of darkness with limitations as to what they can do until the day in which they will suffer eternal fire. But that prison is the realm of darkness. The prince of the power of the air, but there is a boundary they can't cross. They seek to tempt men and but they cant just cross over and kill him at will. They are bound by chains of darkness. They can't get out. They wish they could and possesion is there best effort and even that is limited. Otherwise all would be possessed already. When the are cast out they are bound to dry places but this is not freedom. This is bound by chains of darkness and we are given glimpses and hints with little explanation. The picture that we do get is that they are limited. Bound. Restricted. By chains of darkness and the realm of darkness.
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Yep there's fallen angels group "A" and group "B",,,, Fallen angels group "A" are bound in chains ect. until the judgment because they went after strange flesh like Scripture says. Then there's fallen angel group "B" which that Serpent,Devil,Satan is in but he's not bound in chains until right before the Millennial by Michael.
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Okay so look at Revelation 13:15 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13-15.htm ... Now you see him the Serpent as bound and not able to cross over and kill at will but lets look at this...
So those who refuse to worship the image of the beast are killed. And so now if they do worship it's image then it's pretty obvious that they were deceived and so then are Spiritually dead,,,,but,,,
Those who refuse to worship the image they obviously are not Spiritually dead right? How do they cross over and kill them other than literally killing them?
Excellent insight. That is spot on.
To follow the story of redemption is everything in understanding the scripture. Adam was the son of God because he was created and had no earthly father also.
It seems that Adam walked with God in the cool of the day in the Garden before he fell and then he hid.
I wonder if Enoch who lived 365 years contemporary with Adam heard from Adam stories about walking with God.
And I wonder if Enoch having faith and believing that God was a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, decided that he would seek God until he could walk with Him like Adam did. And I wonder if God was pleased by his faith that would not cease and gave him what he asked for and Enoch walked with God.
We assume that the quote from Enoch about the Coming of the Lord with myriads of his saints to judge the ungodly was a prophecy that had been handed down and was used by the false Jewish Greek sect that wrote the book of Enoch as one of the few things that was known about Enoch and they built a story around it. If so then Enoch was prophesying about the coming of the Lord who would judge those ungodly men who were speaking harsh words against him. Who was he talking about? Probably Cain's people.
There was probably a theology among the camp of Seth about walking with God and a coming Redeemer and Judge. Then after they married into Cain's camp and forsook the hope of the coming of the Lord only Noah was left and it was said of Noah that he walked with God. I think of Noah as the last of the God walkers. Adam walked with God, Enoch Walked with God, Noah walked with God.
I want to be known as "someone who walked with God." Sons of God in the midst of a perverse and crooked generation. Holding forth the word of Life as lights in the world.
If we do we we will probably be hated and stand alone for the most part. The prophets were lonely men. Its that narrow door that turns off so many today. They want that gate to be much wider than it really is. The God Walkers walk a lonely path.
To follow the story of redemption is everything in understanding the scripture. Adam was the son of God because he was created and had no earthly father also.
It seems that Adam walked with God in the cool of the day in the Garden before he fell and then he hid.
I wonder if Enoch who lived 365 years contemporary with Adam heard from Adam stories about walking with God.
And I wonder if Enoch having faith and believing that God was a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, decided that he would seek God until he could walk with Him like Adam did. And I wonder if God was pleased by his faith that would not cease and gave him what he asked for and Enoch walked with God.
We assume that the quote from Enoch about the Coming of the Lord with myriads of his saints to judge the ungodly was a prophecy that had been handed down and was used by the false Jewish Greek sect that wrote the book of Enoch as one of the few things that was known about Enoch and they built a story around it. If so then Enoch was prophesying about the coming of the Lord who would judge those ungodly men who were speaking harsh words against him. Who was he talking about? Probably Cain's people.
There was probably a theology among the camp of Seth about walking with God and a coming Redeemer and Judge. Then after they married into Cain's camp and forsook the hope of the coming of the Lord only Noah was left and it was said of Noah that he walked with God. I think of Noah as the last of the God walkers. Adam walked with God, Enoch Walked with God, Noah walked with God.
I want to be known as "someone who walked with God." Sons of God in the midst of a perverse and crooked generation. Holding forth the word of Life as lights in the world.
If we do we we will probably be hated and stand alone for the most part. The prophets were lonely men. Its that narrow door that turns off so many today. They want that gate to be much wider than it really is. The God Walkers walk a lonely path.
It does not say that the angels that left their first estate went after strange flesh. It says that Sodom did that and the cities that surrounded them in the like manner that Sodom did that also did it and were judged along with Sodom.
King James Bible
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
the cities about them in like manner as Sodom and Gomorrha did...
New King James Version
as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
to these... Sodom and Gomorrah. The cities around them did the same sin as these two cities Sodom and Gomorrah and these cities around them also experience the judgment along with Sodom and Gomorrha.
Don't let people confuse you by forcing angels into this sentence because Jude is not saying angels went after strange flesh but is saying Sodom and Gomorrah did and the cities about them in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
"the like manner" here is referring to "the cities about them" Someone who knows their English sentence rules can explain what they call it. Something like "in like manner" is a modifier of "the cities about them" or something like that.
King James Bible
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
the cities about them in like manner as Sodom and Gomorrha did...
New King James Version
as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
to these... Sodom and Gomorrah. The cities around them did the same sin as these two cities Sodom and Gomorrah and these cities around them also experience the judgment along with Sodom and Gomorrha.
Don't let people confuse you by forcing angels into this sentence because Jude is not saying angels went after strange flesh but is saying Sodom and Gomorrah did and the cities about them in like manner giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
"the like manner" here is referring to "the cities about them" Someone who knows their English sentence rules can explain what they call it. Something like "in like manner" is a modifier of "the cities about them" or something like that.
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The same way satan and his hordes do it now. Through people. But he can't just kill everyone himself by doing something like supernaturally picking up a kitchen knife that goes floating through the air and slaughters families by cutting off their heads without using a person that he influences to do such at thing. Like that shooter in Buffalo yesterday. These are definitely demons that influence such people with their thought life until they act on it. But these demons are bound to operated in this way.
In Rev it does not paint a different picture. There is the Antichrist and the devil motivating him and working through him and the false prophet and the image but these all are not different than a dictator somewhere in the world today killing people with genocide as has occurred throughout history. The devil needs a person to use or he can't do anything. He cant just kill you with a brick while you are sleeping unless he can get a man to wield the brick.
This limitation of satan is a prison that he and the demons are bound to. Chains of the realm of darkness if you will. That is my understanding.
In Rev it does not paint a different picture. There is the Antichrist and the devil motivating him and working through him and the false prophet and the image but these all are not different than a dictator somewhere in the world today killing people with genocide as has occurred throughout history. The devil needs a person to use or he can't do anything. He cant just kill you with a brick while you are sleeping unless he can get a man to wield the brick.
This limitation of satan is a prison that he and the demons are bound to. Chains of the realm of darkness if you will. That is my understanding.
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Yes. The sentence is easy to understand. It would violate English syntax rules to make it apply to anything other than "the cities that surrounded Sodom and Gomorrah.
My guess is that you could look at a few commentaries and they would all agree. I don't really feel like checking because I don't have any question about it.
My guess is that you could look at a few commentaries and they would all agree. I don't really feel like checking because I don't have any question about it.
And the angels who did not stay within their own domain but abandoned their proper dwelling—these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness, bound for judgment on that great day. In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire.
This is straight forward - nothing to guess here or be confused about - bible scholars who cannot see this are dunces
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When satan rebelled, and when the angels that left their first estate followed him in his rebel ion.
It happened sometime before the temptation of Eve. I don't know exactly. I don't think anyone does. He was able to use the serpent before it was the serpent as we know it. He was not able to just kill Eve. He was already bound in chains of darkness from the moment he was cast down with the angels. They were cast down and put in chains of darkness and he became their ruler. He has had to tempt people to do evil ever since.
The devil and his demons can put sickness on people. They can possess people. There is that thing with the tornado on the house of Jobs kids that puzzles me. Can the devil produce tornados? What was that all about?
He couldn't do it before God let him.
God has limited them to chains in the realm of darkness and they can only do so much. That happened when they left their first estate. That is my understanding so far.
It happened sometime before the temptation of Eve. I don't know exactly. I don't think anyone does. He was able to use the serpent before it was the serpent as we know it. He was not able to just kill Eve. He was already bound in chains of darkness from the moment he was cast down with the angels. They were cast down and put in chains of darkness and he became their ruler. He has had to tempt people to do evil ever since.
The devil and his demons can put sickness on people. They can possess people. There is that thing with the tornado on the house of Jobs kids that puzzles me. Can the devil produce tornados? What was that all about?
He couldn't do it before God let him.
God has limited them to chains in the realm of darkness and they can only do so much. That happened when they left their first estate. That is my understanding so far.
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I could be wrong. I am making assumptions that their choice to follow Lucifer is common knowledge of the readers of Jude and so when he writes And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. That his readers would know he was talking about the angels who rebelled.
There choice to follow Lucifer was all that I see as being mentioned.
Is Jude a believer in the book of Enoch as historical fact? Does he quote the book of Enoch to make a point? I don't know. Yet. I have some theories.
One thing I am sure of. This passage must be taken as a whole unit and his point is about the judgment of God not about angel sex.
Focus on his message by reading the whole book. That is the message we should come away with and it is about the Judgment of God that is coming. We must preach about that.
Most people need to hear about the judgment of God that is coming as it relates to their own rebellion.
Jude
22And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
There choice to follow Lucifer was all that I see as being mentioned.
Is Jude a believer in the book of Enoch as historical fact? Does he quote the book of Enoch to make a point? I don't know. Yet. I have some theories.
One thing I am sure of. This passage must be taken as a whole unit and his point is about the judgment of God not about angel sex.
Focus on his message by reading the whole book. That is the message we should come away with and it is about the Judgment of God that is coming. We must preach about that.
Most people need to hear about the judgment of God that is coming as it relates to their own rebellion.
Jude
22And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Dear Brother, i say this to you in the Love of Christ and in the power of the Holy Spirit - believe every word of God and do not add or take away from His words.
Become like a little child before Him and He will bless you greatly to see the simple truth.
Truth which men have made into scrambled eggs.
Straight Truth = satan and his angels(the ones that are not locked up from Genesis ch6) are FREE to roam the earth until the LORD Returns.
1 Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
Revelation 2:13 - And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, ‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.
Matthew 4:1 -Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. Now when the tempter came to Him,
Become like a little child before Him and He will bless you greatly to see the simple truth.
Truth which men have made into scrambled eggs.
Straight Truth = satan and his angels(the ones that are not locked up from Genesis ch6) are FREE to roam the earth until the LORD Returns.
1 Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
Revelation 2:13 - And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, ‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.
Matthew 4:1 -Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. Now when the tempter came to Him,
A.) the Believing Reader knows that satan and his angels are in rebellion beginning in Genesis and confirmed by our LORD.
B.) the Believing Reader knows that ALL angels dwell in the spirit realm - confirmed by the Scripture.
C.) the Believing Reader knows that some of satan's angels departed from the spiritual realm and came to earth and manifested themselves in our physical realm in Genesis ch6 - confirmed by Jude.
B.) the Believing Reader knows that ALL angels dwell in the spirit realm - confirmed by the Scripture.
C.) the Believing Reader knows that some of satan's angels departed from the spiritual realm and came to earth and manifested themselves in our physical realm in Genesis ch6 - confirmed by Jude.
I'm wondering if you could help clarify something;
Contextually...
1. Who are "they"?
2. Who are "these"?
“And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.” (Jude 6–7)
Contextually...
1. Who are "they"?
2. Who are "these"?
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