Westboro

[Nebuchadnezzer]

That is one of their websites, yes.

They claim to glorify God, but their website address "Godhatesfags" does not glorify God.

I've read that they're hyper-calvinist, but is everything they preach wrong?

No, not everything they preach is wrong, but remember there are truths preached in every false church.
They are twisting the scriptures on hatred, love, how we are to pray for all persons...
This church is deeply flawed, and I would definitely recommend against this church.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's not difficult to answer at all, having seen hours and hours of documentaries and other content.

I imagine that Westboro would say that they protest all sin and are for keeping God's commandments and believing in God.

I would say they protest all sin but their own!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't think they're protesting because they believe that Christianity is a protest movement.

I believe they're picketing to tell people that their sins are taking them to hell. This is Biblically sound.

Yeah but they do it wrong

they need to bring the gospel and leave the judgment to God

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Isaiah 58:1
Christians have a duty to tell their neighbor of their sins.

The fact that your neighbor might not like to be told of their sins does not make it unloving.

Jesus said he came not to judge but to save

and told us to be like him

no one is going to be saved because you come act like judge jury and executioner

 

[azamzimtoti]

Is it in Scarboro?

 

[Magenta]

I don't think they're protesting because they believe that Christianity is a protest movement.

I believe they're picketing to tell people that their sins are taking them to hell. This is Biblically sound.

There is only one unforgivable sin. . .

 

[DBurrage]

There is only one unforgivable sin. . .

That's not the unforgivable sin.

The unforgivable sin is attributing evil deeds to the Holy Spirit, or good deeds to demons.

 

[DBurrage]

Yeah but they do it wrong

they need to bring the gospel and leave the judgment to God

Who says Westboro is judging people?

Making people plainly aware of their sin is not the same as judging.

 

[DBurrage]

Jesus said he came not to judge but to save

and told us to be like him

no one is going to be saved because you come act like judge jury and executioner

Isaiah 58:1
Christians have a duty to tell their neighbor of their rebelliousness and sin.

This is not the same as judging people.

Your point about Jesus' love is invalid - Jesus repeatedly told people to stop sinning.

 

[DBurrage]

They claim to glorify God, but their website address "Godhatesfags" does not glorify God.



No, not everything they preach is wrong, but remember there are truths preached in every false church.
They are twisting the scriptures on hatred, love, how we are to pray for all persons...
This church is deeply flawed, and I would definitely recommend against this church.

You make some good points, but after watching hours and hours of content on Westboro, I think I know roughly how they would respond.

Ecclesiastes 12:13:
"Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind".

You said that their website does not glorify God. But we glorify God in part by keeping his commandments.
Isaiah 58:1 tells us that we have a responsibility to warn people of their sins.

In terms of twisting the scripture on praying for people, even your enemies, I don't think Westboro would actually have an answer to this...
Megan Phelps-Roper, who left Westboro some years ago, said that Westboro would pray for various people to be killed (for instance, people trying to sue Westboro).
This is an obvious contradiction to scripture.

There are many internal contradictions obvious to anyone on the outside.
Another one is how they think the government should put gay people to death, and yet they are 'pro-life' based on "thou shalt not kill".

One of the points I'm trying to make with this thread is this:
Many Christians and Churches have denounced Westboro's doctrine basically as 'loopy'.
While Westboro may not be perfect, neither are other Churches.

- I've heard Westboro talk about paedophile Catholic priests.
Should Catholics be more assertive in their non-support of such behaviour and find another Church to worship the Lord our God?

- Westboro say that they protest all sin.
Has Christianity in general gone soft on this, in trying to stay relevant in a more liberal world?
Malachi 3:6 tells us that God does not change (as well as other verses), so why are we preaching differently and in a way to suit the world around us?

I could mention other points, but that will suffice for now.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who says Westboro is judging people?

Making people plainly aware of their sin is not the same as judging.

Your joking right?
It’s gods job to make people aware of their sin

its our job to bring them the gospel
your not going to heal a person who is living a sin, by calling out that sin, what your going to get is a hand to the face because yur judging them
you give them the good news, and if they receive it and come to faith, you witness a miracle as God changes them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Isaiah 58:1
Christians have a duty to tell their neighbor of their rebelliousness and sin.

This is not the same as judging people.

Your point about Jesus' love is invalid - Jesus repeatedly told people to stop sinning.

Is 58 is the ot my friend. And is speaking to supposed people of God,

you do not judge a non believer who has no capacity to stop their sin anyway, you give them the good news..

we are all sinners, yu do not have to judge each sin, just get them to admit they are a sinner, and then share the good news. The Hs will do the rest

 

[DBurrage]

Your joking right?
It’s gods job to make people aware of their sin

its our job to bring them the gospel
your not going to heal a person who is living a sin, by calling out that sin, what your going to get is a hand to the face because yur judging them
you give them the good news, and if they receive it and come to faith, you witness a miracle as God changes them.

No, you're wrong.

The Bible clearly states that we should warn people of their rebelliousness and sin
https://www.openbible.info/topics/confronting_sins

You need to read your Bible more

 

[DBurrage]

Is 58 is the ot my friend. And is speaking to supposed people of God,

you do not judge a non believer who has no capacity to stop their sin anyway, you give them the good news..

we are all sinners, yu do not have to judge each sin, just get them to admit they are a sinner, and then share the good news. The Hs will do the rest

Jeremiah 31:33 tells us that just because we have grace, does not mean that we do not need to obey God.
Therefore the fact that it is in the old testament is irrelevant.

Westboro would say that they do not judge, but warn people of the consequences of their sin.
Do other Churches do this too, or have other Churches gone soft?

 

[Dave-L]

What I said doesn't imply that they are not Calvinists.

I've seen a documentary in which Westboro members argue that people only begin to follow our Lord Jesus Christ if God puts repentance within them (essentially).

But they make salvation depend on repentance. People cannot repent unless first saved by the new birth which then believes the gospel. And then they want nothing more than to repent.

 

[DBurrage]

But they make salvation depend on repentance. People cannot repent unless first saved by the new birth which then believes the gospel. And then they want nothing more than to repent.

You're creating a circular argument.

People are saved when they repent their sins and follow our Lord Jesus Christ.
Some people will repent their sins before meeting Jesus, others will meet Jesus and feel inspired to repent.

 

[notuptome]

Westboro is a prime example of a group professing what they do not possess.

Scripture asks if one can get sweet water from a bitter well? Anything Westboro says is tainted by severe hatred for their fellow man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dave-L]

You're creating a circular argument.

People are saved when they repent their sins and follow our Lord Jesus Christ.
Some people will repent their sins before meeting Jesus, others will meet Jesus and feel inspired to repent.

People cannot repent as far as salvation is concerned until after God produces the New Birth in them. Repenting legalistically can not save a person. It only keeps them out of trouble as in Law and the Old Testament.

 

[DBurrage]

Westboro is a prime example of a group professing what they do not possess.

Scripture asks if one can get sweet water from a bitter well? Anything Westboro says is tainted by severe hatred for their fellow man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What do you mean that they profess what they do not possess?

Westboro have argued many times that they love their fellow man because they earn them of their sins.

Warning others of the consequence of their sins is biblical (see previous comments).

 

[DBurrage]

People cannot repent as far as salvation is concerned until after God produces the New Birth in them. Repenting legalistically can not save a person. It only keeps them out of trouble as in Law and the Old Testament.

Again, you're creating a circular argument.