What are you thoughts on Annihilation?
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What an odd response Gardenias, especially since we on the Annihilationist side have shared far more verses to support our position than you on the ETC side and it is I who have said repeatedly said we must look at the CONTEXT and test SCRIPTURE against SCRIPTURE.
Go back and read your own posts--you nearly are always speaking from your own ideas instead using scripture to support your position; and instead studying the Word of God to see what IT is saying not what you have been taught in your denomination
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All ANY of us are doing is repeating the same ole same ole,nothing is changing!
QUANITY IS NOT BETTER THAN QUALITY!
My post stand as is and I speak from my heart what has been taught by the Holy Spirit.
I'm non denominal and I don't dabble in all these heretical cults that knock on my door and want to share!
QUANITY IS NOT BETTER THAN QUALITY!
My post stand as is and I speak from my heart what has been taught by the Holy Spirit.
I'm non denominal and I don't dabble in all these heretical cults that knock on my door and want to share!
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And it's also nonsensical to say I don't have an understanding of scripture--please go back and compare my posts to yours. Mine are written with logical rational arguments using literal verses to support those arguments, you on the other hand have attacked us and maligned us and speak from your own opinions, not using any real solid theological arguments to support your position.
Furthermore, you seem to be unable to differentiate between literal and figurative language; to be unable to understand turns of phrase, humor, sarcasm, and witticism--this is problematic in understanding what anyone writes here or what is written in scripture--or anywhere else for that matter.
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Where is the attack Gardenias? Again, please go back and read your posts. You have a curious habit of attempting to turn the tables when confronted with the truth. As an example, you have taken several of my posts literally, when they were not meant to be taken as such.
Yes, I think it best for us not to interact further--I hope we are able to examine ourselves and see where we both need Christ's transforming power. It is not good for believers to quarrel.
"You got wrecked buddy" sounds hateful and unbecoming of a self-proclaimed Christian, especially on a public forum, where your shame is openly-aired for all to witness.
Did you know non-Christians watch us for the slightest detection of hypocrisy or unChrist-like behavior? You're giving them more fuel.
You can be better than that, cv5, despite our numerous disagreements. There's no need to get hostile. Let me pray for you. 🙏🏻
Did you know non-Christians watch us for the slightest detection of hypocrisy or unChrist-like behavior? You're giving them more fuel.
You can be better than that, cv5, despite our numerous disagreements. There's no need to get hostile. Let me pray for you. 🙏🏻
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The Word of God says that all men are born dead in trespass and sin. Obviously death in this instance does not mean annihilation. So why does the second death mean annihilation? God is not arbitrary, merciless or cruel. Unbelievers will be judged fairly and justly by God. What is the point of judging people who will be annihilated anyway?
When Adam disobeyed God, he hid from the God he knew. That's what sin does to a person. They hide from God and try to cover up. And that will be their state when they face the Great White Throne.
The human race is primarily a spirit being that has a soul and inhabits a body. Soul and body can be destroyed by God, although Lord Jesus did not say that God will destroy, only that He can. Nothing is said about the human spirit being destroyed.
Universal salvation and annihilation both are false. Preaching those doctrines misleads the lost and tells them they can live however they please with no consequences. I knew someone with a drug problem. I let him live in my home as I was on my own. He called himself a Christian but smoked grass. He lived in terror of being caught because he could go to prison. Use was decriminalised by the government of Victoria. he changed overnight. He started smoking in the house, didn't bother with incense to cover the smell and started to lecture me on why illegal drugs of all kinds should be legalised. I had to ask him to leave.
Without consequences, people will rarely change. When I was researching this issue, I came across a pastor who stopped mentioning hell in his sermons. No one was saved for four years. Then he started preaching hell again. People started getting saved. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. If there is no hell, there is nothing to fear.
When Adam disobeyed God, he hid from the God he knew. That's what sin does to a person. They hide from God and try to cover up. And that will be their state when they face the Great White Throne.
The human race is primarily a spirit being that has a soul and inhabits a body. Soul and body can be destroyed by God, although Lord Jesus did not say that God will destroy, only that He can. Nothing is said about the human spirit being destroyed.
Universal salvation and annihilation both are false. Preaching those doctrines misleads the lost and tells them they can live however they please with no consequences. I knew someone with a drug problem. I let him live in my home as I was on my own. He called himself a Christian but smoked grass. He lived in terror of being caught because he could go to prison. Use was decriminalised by the government of Victoria. he changed overnight. He started smoking in the house, didn't bother with incense to cover the smell and started to lecture me on why illegal drugs of all kinds should be legalised. I had to ask him to leave.
Without consequences, people will rarely change. When I was researching this issue, I came across a pastor who stopped mentioning hell in his sermons. No one was saved for four years. Then he started preaching hell again. People started getting saved. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. If there is no hell, there is nothing to fear.
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This is a big problem when people speak from their own opinions, rather than using scripture to support their position. Have you read any of our previous posts? Have you seen the mountain of verses we have used to support our position, rather than the ant hill of figurative verses the ETC side has posted? And they are always the same ones about 'tormented day and night', eternal fire--completing ignoring the plethora of literal verses stating the end of the unbeliever is DEATH and DESTRUCTION. "The wages of sin is DEATH." If one changes the definition of words, that means we cannot trust the rest of the words of scripture!
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In fact it is YOU that is sitting in the judgment seat attributing evil to God. Not me. All I have done is exegete Scripture using tried and true hermeneutics.
I think you are playing with fire lady. Ghenna fire.....
I think you are playing with fire lady. Ghenna fire.....
Where did I attribute evil to God? You and others on this post state things that are simply nonsensical in an attempt to turn the tables.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?”--The Mad Hatter, Alice in Wonderland
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Literal and Figurative Language
How to understand the language of the Bible.
Jesus took bread and said, “Take and eat; this is my body” (Matthew 26:26). Did Jesus Christ intend for this statement to be taken literally, or was he using symbolic language, a figure of speech? Christianity has been divided on that question for centuries.
Whenever we read the words of the Bible, we are faced with a choice: Does God intend this passage to be taken literally, or is the meaning symbolic or metaphorical? Is the language used strictly literal or is it a figure of speech?
Our goal in understanding the Bible is not to prefer either literal meanings or figurative meanings. It is to understand what God intended the words to mean. Sometimes God intended a literal meaning, sometimes a figurative meaning, and occasionally both. We need to explore each context.
Jesus’ figurative language
Jesus called himself a shepherd, a gate, a light. Some of the most theologically important words in the Bible are figures of speech. We should not interpret them literally, because they aren’t meant to be read literally.
In everyday speech, we often use figurative language. We might say, “He was green with envy,” or “She really got my goat.” By using such figures of speech, we can communicate better than if we had to use words literally.
In the Bible, if we always prefer a literal meaning, we may miss the point. The disciples made this mistake when Jesus told them to beware of the “yeast” of the Jewish leaders (Matthew 16:6). The disciples thought about their failure to bring any bread.
Jesus Christ reminded them that he could create bread for thousands if necessary. He wasn’t worried about physical bread. The disciples then understood that Jesus meant doctrine or teaching when he had said “yeast” (verse 12). It was a figure of speech.
https://www.gci.org/articles/literal-and-figurative/
How to understand the language of the Bible.
Jesus took bread and said, “Take and eat; this is my body” (Matthew 26:26). Did Jesus Christ intend for this statement to be taken literally, or was he using symbolic language, a figure of speech? Christianity has been divided on that question for centuries.
Whenever we read the words of the Bible, we are faced with a choice: Does God intend this passage to be taken literally, or is the meaning symbolic or metaphorical? Is the language used strictly literal or is it a figure of speech?
Our goal in understanding the Bible is not to prefer either literal meanings or figurative meanings. It is to understand what God intended the words to mean. Sometimes God intended a literal meaning, sometimes a figurative meaning, and occasionally both. We need to explore each context.
Jesus’ figurative language
Jesus called himself a shepherd, a gate, a light. Some of the most theologically important words in the Bible are figures of speech. We should not interpret them literally, because they aren’t meant to be read literally.
In everyday speech, we often use figurative language. We might say, “He was green with envy,” or “She really got my goat.” By using such figures of speech, we can communicate better than if we had to use words literally.
In the Bible, if we always prefer a literal meaning, we may miss the point. The disciples made this mistake when Jesus told them to beware of the “yeast” of the Jewish leaders (Matthew 16:6). The disciples thought about their failure to bring any bread.
Jesus Christ reminded them that he could create bread for thousands if necessary. He wasn’t worried about physical bread. The disciples then understood that Jesus meant doctrine or teaching when he had said “yeast” (verse 12). It was a figure of speech.
https://www.gci.org/articles/literal-and-figurative/
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Not sure i'm understanding you, but yes we all are free to disagree if we don't agree with the position someone holds, however I don't think it should be use as a 'weapon' either. For example, I just checked and you gave me a thumbs down, which wasn't stating any position, but rather referring to something factual, not an opinion I was posting--that I see as you seeking retribution and being angry for my previous comment directed at you and not really disagreeing on the point I was making.
"So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes."--Ephesians 4:14
"So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes."--Ephesians 4:14
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Not sure i'm understanding you, but yes we all are free to disagree if we don't agree with the position someone holds, however I don't think it should be use as a 'weapon' either. For example, I just checked and you gave me a thumbs down, where I wasn't stating any position, but rather referring to something factual I had posted ; I see as you seeking retribution and being angry for my previous comment directed at you and not really disagreeing on the point I was making.
"So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes."--Ephesians 4:14
"So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes."--Ephesians 4:14
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They get around that by pretending we are not believers. Such as being called minions of the devil.
Of course we know they do that because the verses they bring to the table cannot compare in strength or number to those that oppose their view, so they resort to low level insults, hoping that will silence what they do not want to hear in the first place.
Of course we know they do that because the verses they bring to the table cannot compare in strength or number to those that oppose their view, so they resort to low level insults, hoping that will silence what they do not want to hear in the first place.
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