What are you thoughts on Annihilation?

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Gardenias

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"31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."--Matthew 12:31 (this was in response to the Pharisees saying Jesus cast the demon out of a man by the power of Satan)


Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!--Isaiah 5:20

" “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.” "--Revelations 22:18


Understand that the Word of God was inspired by the Holy Spirit.


Blasphemy against Holy Spirit,words AGAINST the Son of God is unbelief.
Isaiah 5:20 does NOT CORRELATE attributing evil to God,since the scripture I gave in Isaiah stated by God himself He is the Creator of ALL things even good and evil!
 

cv5

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Oh but it matters a great deal--to attribute evil to God is to malign His character to the world and is blasphemy. The bible says God is just. The bible says God IS Love. We are told not to add to scripture--etc is nowhere to be found in scripture--again, Protestants got it from the Roman Catholics who in turn got this myth from the pagans--the bible tells us "do not turn aside to myths.'

PS My understanding of calling a truce is to stop being argumentative or attacking.
In fact it is YOU that is sitting in the judgment seat attributing evil to God. Not me. All I have done is exegete Scripture using tried and true hermeneutics.

I think you are playing with fire lady. Ghenna fire.....:rolleyes:
 

Laura798

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Im sorry that you seem to lack understanding of exactly WHAT the word truly says.
Remember the Holy Spirit NOT MAN is our teacher and quide.
Rightly dividing the word must be done NOT WITH ISOLATED VERSES, but in the context of what is being said.
Please stop studying with groups that believe the sons of God that came before him and Satan was among them in Job believe the sons of God are the first Adams of other planets and universes!

These are herectial teachers of false doctrines that go against the Holy Spirit word of God!


What an odd response Gardenias, especially since we on the Annihilationist side have shared far more verses to support our position than you on the ETC side and it is I who have said repeatedly said we must look at the CONTEXT and test SCRIPTURE against SCRIPTURE.

Go back and read your own posts--you nearly are always speaking from your own ideas instead using scripture to support your position; and instead studying the Word of God to see what IT is saying not what you have been taught in your denomination
 

Gardenias

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All ANY of us are doing is repeating the same ole same ole,nothing is changing!
QUANITY IS NOT BETTER THAN QUALITY!
My post stand as is and I speak from my heart what has been taught by the Holy Spirit.
I'm non denominal and I don't dabble in all these heretical cults that knock on my door and want to share!
 

Laura798

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What an odd response Gardenias, especially since we on the Annihilationist side have shared far more verses to support our position than you on the ETC side and it is I who have said repeatedly said we must look at the CONTEXT and test SCRIPTURE against SCRIPTURE.

Go back and read your own posts--you nearly are always speaking from your own ideas instead using scripture to support your position; and instead studying the Word of God to see what IT is saying not what you have been taught in your denomination

What an odd response Gardenias, especially since we on the Annihilationist side have shared far more verses to support our position than you on the ETC side and it is I who have said repeatedly said we must look at the CONTEXT and test SCRIPTURE against SCRIPTURE.

Go back and read your own posts--you nearly are always speaking from your own ideas instead using scripture to support your position; and instead studying the Word of God to see what IT is saying not what you have been taught in your denomination

And it's also nonsensical to say I don't have an understanding of scripture--please go back and compare my posts to yours. Mine are written with logical rational arguments using literal verses to support those arguments, you on the other hand have attacked us and maligned us and speak from your own opinions, not using any real solid theological arguments to support your position.

Furthermore, you seem to be unable to differentiate between literal and figurative language; to be unable to understand turns of phrase, humor, sarcasm, and witticism--this is problematic in understanding what anyone writes here or what is written in scripture--or anywhere else for that matter.
 

Gardenias

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And it's also nonsensical to say I don't have an understanding of scripture--please go back and compare my posts to yours. Mine are written with logical rational arguments using literal verses to support those arguments, you on the other hand have attacked us and maligned us and speak from your own opinions, not using any real solid theological arguments to support your position.

Furthermore, you seem to be unable to differentiate between literal and figurative language; to be unable to understand turns of phrase, humor, sarcasm, and witticism--this is problematic in understanding what anyone writes here or what is written in scripture--or anywhere else for that matter.




Look up truce.

You have renigged by this very ATTACK against me.

You are untrustworthy to stand true and I don't want to be friendly with the enemy!

We are done!
 

Laura798

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it is possible with God. Ans Isaiah is not Jesus who said Hell is eternal. How one asks or thinks Christ is still suffering is errored thinking. Jesus defeated death, hell, and the grave. He died once and is a LIVE forevermore.

"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father."--John 16:25
 

Laura798

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Look up truce.

You have renigged by this very ATTACK against me.

You are untrustworthy to stand true and I don't want to be friendly with the enemy!

We are done!

Where is the attack Gardenias? Again, please go back and read your posts. You have a curious habit of attempting to turn the tables when confronted with the truth. As an example, you have taken several of my posts literally, when they were not meant to be taken as such.

Yes, I think it best for us not to interact further--I hope we are able to examine ourselves and see where we both need Christ's transforming power. It is not good for believers to quarrel.
 
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You got wrecked buddy. You and your bogus doctrine.
"You got wrecked buddy" sounds hateful and unbecoming of a self-proclaimed Christian, especially on a public forum, where your shame is openly-aired for all to witness.

Did you know non-Christians watch us for the slightest detection of hypocrisy or unChrist-like behavior? You're giving them more fuel.

You can be better than that, cv5, despite our numerous disagreements. There's no need to get hostile. Let me pray for you. 🙏🏻
 

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What an odd response Gardenias, especially since we on the Annihilationist side have shared far more verses to support our position than you on the ETC side and it is I who have said repeatedly said we must look at the CONTEXT and test SCRIPTURE against SCRIPTURE.

Go back and read your own posts--you nearly are always speaking from your own ideas instead using scripture to support your position; and instead studying the Word of God to see what IT is saying not what you have been taught in your denomination
The Word of God says that all men are born dead in trespass and sin. Obviously death in this instance does not mean annihilation. So why does the second death mean annihilation? God is not arbitrary, merciless or cruel. Unbelievers will be judged fairly and justly by God. What is the point of judging people who will be annihilated anyway?

When Adam disobeyed God, he hid from the God he knew. That's what sin does to a person. They hide from God and try to cover up. And that will be their state when they face the Great White Throne.

The human race is primarily a spirit being that has a soul and inhabits a body. Soul and body can be destroyed by God, although Lord Jesus did not say that God will destroy, only that He can. Nothing is said about the human spirit being destroyed.

Universal salvation and annihilation both are false. Preaching those doctrines misleads the lost and tells them they can live however they please with no consequences. I knew someone with a drug problem. I let him live in my home as I was on my own. He called himself a Christian but smoked grass. He lived in terror of being caught because he could go to prison. Use was decriminalised by the government of Victoria. he changed overnight. He started smoking in the house, didn't bother with incense to cover the smell and started to lecture me on why illegal drugs of all kinds should be legalised. I had to ask him to leave.

Without consequences, people will rarely change. When I was researching this issue, I came across a pastor who stopped mentioning hell in his sermons. No one was saved for four years. Then he started preaching hell again. People started getting saved. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. If there is no hell, there is nothing to fear.
 

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"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father."--John 16:25
Has Jesus did just that when HE said

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
 

Laura798

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The Word of God says that all men are born dead in trespass and sin. Obviously death in this instance does not mean annihilation. So why does the second death mean annihilation? God is not arbitrary, merciless or cruel. Unbelievers will be judged fairly and justly by God. What is the point of judging people who will be annihilated anyway?

When Adam disobeyed God, he hid from the God he knew. That's what sin does to a person. They hide from God and try to cover up. And that will be their state when they face the Great White Throne.

The human race is primarily a spirit being that has a soul and inhabits a body. Soul and body can be destroyed by God, although Lord Jesus did not say that God will destroy, only that He can. Nothing is said about the human spirit being destroyed.

Universal salvation and annihilation both are false. Preaching those doctrines misleads the lost and tells them they can live however they please with no consequences. I knew someone with a drug problem. I let him live in my home as I was on my own. He called himself a Christian but smoked grass. He lived in terror of being caught because he could go to prison. Use was decriminalised by the government of Victoria. he changed overnight. He started smoking in the house, didn't bother with incense to cover the smell and started to lecture me on why illegal drugs of all kinds should be legalised. I had to ask him to leave.

Without consequences, people will rarely change. When I was researching this issue, I came across a pastor who stopped mentioning hell in his sermons. No one was saved for four years. Then he started preaching hell again. People started getting saved. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. If there is no hell, there is nothing to fear.

This is a big problem when people speak from their own opinions, rather than using scripture to support their position. Have you read any of our previous posts? Have you seen the mountain of verses we have used to support our position, rather than the ant hill of figurative verses the ETC side has posted? And they are always the same ones about 'tormented day and night', eternal fire--completing ignoring the plethora of literal verses stating the end of the unbeliever is DEATH and DESTRUCTION. "The wages of sin is DEATH." If one changes the definition of words, that means we cannot trust the rest of the words of scripture!
 

Laura798

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Has Jesus did just that when HE said

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

well you prove my point--fire represents PUNISHMENT. what is the punishment according to scripture? DEATH.
 

Laura798

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Has Jesus did just that when HE said

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
This makes no sense, considering I just posted a verse which states Jesus was using FIGURATIVE language. We need only to look at the rest of scripture to understand what He meant literally.
 

Laura798

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In fact it is YOU that is sitting in the judgment seat attributing evil to God. Not me. All I have done is exegete Scripture using tried and true hermeneutics.

I think you are playing with fire lady. Ghenna fire.....:rolleyes:

Where did I attribute evil to God? You and others on this post state things that are simply nonsensical in an attempt to turn the tables.

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“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?”--The Mad Hatter, Alice in Wonderland
 

Laura798

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Literal and Figurative Language

How to understand the language of the Bible.

Jesus took bread and said, “Take and eat; this is my body” (Matthew 26:26). Did Jesus Christ intend for this statement to be taken literally, or was he using symbolic language, a figure of speech? Christianity has been divided on that question for centuries.

Whenever we read the words of the Bible, we are faced with a choice: Does God intend this passage to be taken literally, or is the meaning symbolic or metaphorical? Is the language used strictly literal or is it a figure of speech?

Our goal in understanding the Bible is not to prefer either literal meanings or figurative meanings. It is to understand what God intended the words to mean. Sometimes God intended a literal meaning, sometimes a figurative meaning, and occasionally both. We need to explore each context.

Jesus’ figurative language
Jesus called himself a shepherd, a gate, a light. Some of the most theologically important words in the Bible are figures of speech. We should not interpret them literally, because they aren’t meant to be read literally.

In everyday speech, we often use figurative language. We might say, “He was green with envy,” or “She really got my goat.” By using such figures of speech, we can communicate better than if we had to use words literally.

In the Bible, if we always prefer a literal meaning, we may miss the point. The disciples made this mistake when Jesus told them to beware of the “yeast” of the Jewish leaders (Matthew 16:6). The disciples thought about their failure to bring any bread.

Jesus Christ reminded them that he could create bread for thousands if necessary. He wasn’t worried about physical bread. The disciples then understood that Jesus meant doctrine or teaching when he had said “yeast” (verse 12). It was a figure of speech.

https://www.gci.org/articles/literal-and-figurative/
 

Laura798

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If I disagree and the X shows the depth of that disagreement, I am free to use it!
Not sure i'm understanding you, but yes we all are free to disagree if we don't agree with the position someone holds, however I don't think it should be use as a 'weapon' either. For example, I just checked and you gave me a thumbs down, which wasn't stating any position, but rather referring to something factual, not an opinion I was posting--that I see as you seeking retribution and being angry for my previous comment directed at you and not really disagreeing on the point I was making.

"So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes."--Ephesians 4:14
 

Laura798

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If I disagree and the X shows the depth of that disagreement, I am free to use it!
If I disagree and the X shows the depth of that disagreement, I am free to use it!
Not sure i'm understanding you, but yes we all are free to disagree if we don't agree with the position someone holds, however I don't think it should be use as a 'weapon' either. For example, I just checked and you gave me a thumbs down, where I wasn't stating any position, but rather referring to something factual I had posted ; I see as you seeking retribution and being angry for my previous comment directed at you and not really disagreeing on the point I was making.

"So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes."--Ephesians 4:14
 

Magenta

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... It is not good for believers to quarrel.
They get around that by pretending we are not believers. Such as being called minions of the devil.

Of course we know they do that because the verses they bring to the table cannot compare in strength or number to those that oppose their view, so they resort to low level insults, hoping that will silence what they do not want to hear in the first place.