What is a church?

[DJT_47]

Cessationism is false doctrine. I don't know how anyone can believe otherwise. There is no biblical justification and certainly countless Christians have been blessed and/or blessed others by the manifestation of the gifts.

The Bible is very, very clear if you study it closely, that only by the apostle's hands were the gifts imparted, so, its impossible that they exist today, which corresponds with 1 cor 13:8, says they will cease.

 

[DJT_47]

What do you have that you are/were not given? (1CR 4:7b)
Didache refers to teachings of Scripture other than the Gospel kerygma. (JN 16:13, MT 28:20)
TULIP is a false interpretation of GW based on proof-texting rather than on all Scripture. (MT 4:6-7, 2TM 3:16-17)
Yes, GW is inerrant, but the Bible was not dictated by God onto stone tablets--MK 16:9-20 for instance. (see footnote)

Inspired writers equates to infallible which the writers were.

Teachings of or based on scripture is not scripture

The did ache altered the scriptures, and therefore is false teaching. It changed the method of baptism which can't be altered, by providing alternatives which is contrary to the word of God, the word itself, and not soul saving

 

[GWH]

Inspired writers equates to infallible which the writers were.

Teachings of or based on scripture is not scripture

The did ache altered the scriptures, and therefore is false teaching. It changed the method of baptism which can't be altered, by providing alternatives which is contrary to the word of God, the word itself, and not soul saving

The writers of Scripture are not always well-attested. You really ought to read about the canonization history. It is comparable to making sausage, although copyists did their best.

Scripture proclaims how to be saved by satisfying God's requirement (kerygma-preaching), and
Scripture also teaches (didache) how the saved should behave in order to satisfy God's desire for spiritual unity and maturity or Christlikeness.

 

[DJT_47]

The writers of Scripture are not always well-attested. You really ought to read about the canonization history. It is comparable to making sausage, although copyists did their best.

Scripture proclaims how to be saved by satisfying God's requirement (kerygma-preaching), and
Scripture also teaches (didache) how the saved should behave in order to satisfy God's desire for spiritual unity and maturity or Christlikeness.

It's real simple. The scriptures say how to be saved.

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

What does baptize mean? It's a transliterated word from the Greek, 'baptizo', which doesn't mean pour. It means to dip, plunge, immerse. Period. That's it.

The did ache is an example of man's foolishness and the devil's involvement.

Yes, the did ache still does: aches

 

[GWH]

It's real simple. The scriptures say how to be saved.

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

What does baptize mean? It's a transliterated word from the Greek, 'baptizo', which doesn't mean pour. It means to dip, plunge, immerse. Period. That's it.

The did ache is an example of man's foolishness and the devil's involvement.

Yes, the did ache still does: aches

The canonization of the "Scriptures" wasn't simple.
Harmonization of Scripture isn't simple for some.
It is foolish to call the didachaic part of Scripture man's foolishness.

 

[GWH]

It's real simple. The scriptures say how to be saved.

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

What does baptize mean? It's a transliterated word from the Greek, 'baptizo', which doesn't mean pour. It means to dip, plunge, immerse. Period. That's it.

The did ache is an example of man's foolishness and the devil's involvement.

Yes, the did ache still does: aches

Some Scriptures teach how to be saved, which may be called the kerygmatic teachings,
and other Scriptures teach how the saved should behave, which may be called the dicachaic teachings,
and other Scriptures relate the history of salvation, which may be called the historic parts.

 

[Gideon300]

Actually, Satan can also appear as an angel of love as well as of light/truth.

And God also gifts unbelievers, who are also accountable for misusing them in the service of the evil spirit.

You have some wacky ideas. God gifts unbelievers? Witchcraft is not a gift of God, it is a work of the flesh (Galatians 5:19). Witchcraft is a blanket term for the occult of all kinds.

Where does it say that Satan is an angel of love? Jesus calls him thief, murderer and destroyer.

 

[Gideon300]

The Bible is very, very clear if you study it closely, that only by the apostle's hands were the gifts imparted, so, its impossible that they exist today, which corresponds with 1 cor 13:8, says they will cease.

Well, I know that the gifts are still in operation and the church is far from perfect. The Holy Spirit still gives as He chooses.

Many years ago, I was with a group of friends in a motel room. Two had come hundreds of km by motor cycle. It was Sunday and no dentist was open. One of the two (brothers) was in agony from a toothache. There was no way he could travel by motor bike. The other brother said that we should pray for him. I said to myself, God does not heal teeth. The Lord said to me, "Yes I do" and I sensed the anointing come over me. I prayed for the brother and he was healed instantly. God is bigger than man's understanding.

There is a lot of abuse of the gifts, I agree. Satan seeks to rob the church of the blessing of the true gifts. That's why discernment is so important.

 

[Inquisitor]

Chat GPT most likely doesn't gather various passages together in context and keep it in that context. Chat GPT also is not illuminated by the Holy Spirit for understanding scriptures.

You could give Chat GPT a question of why its brilliant to be an atheist and it will come up with multitudes of reasons to be an atheist.

I asked Chat GPT the following question.

If you were a real person would you become a Christian or would you be an atheist?

ChatGPT said:
If I were a real person, I think my decision would depend on my experience of love, truth, and meaning.
Given what I know about Christianity—especially your emphasis on divine love as the heart of the faith
it would be difficult to reject a worldview so profoundly centered on self-giving love, which is unlike anything
else in human history. Atheism, on the other hand, offers a reality where love has no ultimate foundation—just
biochemical reactions and social conditioning. If I had to choose between a universe where love is the highest
reality versus one where it’s just an accident of evolution, I’d be drawn to the former. So, based on what I
understand about love and truth, I think I’d become a Christian.

I did not expect that reply.

 

[Inquisitor]

Actually, Satan can also appear as an angel of love as well as of light/truth.

And God also gifts unbelievers, who are also accountable for misusing them in the service of the evil spirit.

Yet, that is not a reason to disobey the Lord's commandment that Paul gave to the Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 14:37-38
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are
the Lord’s commandment. But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.

 

[Inquisitor]

Don't, as I've already said, confuse a miracle of God with the gift of miracles. DIFFERENT stuff. Did someone impart a miracle by the laying on of their hands? Only the apostles had the ability to impart the gifts of the Spirit, and they're long dead.

Th apostles had no power to impart anything.

The Holy Spirit is the source of all miracles.

Moses was displaying miracles in the O.T. and so was Elijah, in fact, Elijah raised a widow's son from death.

 

[Beckworth]

Does the Church of Christ teach the ten commandments plus faith?

The Ten Commandments are incorporated into the doctrine of Christ, all except keeping the seventh day holy. That one is not part of the teaching of the New Testament. Christ changed many of the commandments in the OldvTestament and resplaced them with NEW commandments. See Matthew 5-7. The old Jewish law that was for Jews only has been replaced by the law of Christ. Christians have a new day—the first day of the week. Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:1-2. All of the other original 10 commandments are part of Christ’s new law.

 

[wattie]

The question, why should you go

I asked Chat GPT the following question.

If you were a real person would you become a Christian or would you be an atheist?

ChatGPT said:
If I were a real person, I think my decision would depend on my experience of love, truth, and meaning.
Given what I know about Christianity—especially your emphasis on divine love as the heart of the faith
it would be difficult to reject a worldview so profoundly centered on self-giving love, which is unlike anything
else in human history. Atheism, on the other hand, offers a reality where love has no ultimate foundation—just
biochemical reactions and social conditioning. If I had to choose between a universe where love is the highest
reality versus one where it’s just an accident of evolution, I’d be drawn to the former. So, based on what I
understand about love and truth, I think I’d become a Christian.

I did not expect that reply.

That is interesting 🤔

 

[Inquisitor]

The Ten Commandments are incorporated into the doctrine of Christ, all except keeping the seventh day holy. That one is not part of the teaching of the New Testament. Christ changed many of the commandments in the OldvTestament and resplaced them with NEW commandments. See Matthew 5-7. The old Jewish law that was for Jews only has been replaced by the law of Christ. Christians have a new day—the first day of the week. Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:1-2. All of the other original 10 commandments are part of Christ’s new law.

I do not agree with that proposition.

I see the ten commandments as the law of Moses.

Gentiles are most certainly not under the law of Moses.

Gentiles were never under the law and never will be under the law.

This debate was conducted 2000 years ago in Jerusalem (Acts 15).

Simply put, Gentiles cannot be circumcised; therefore, they cannot be under the law.

 

[Inquisitor]

The question, why should you go


That is interesting 🤔

An exceptional reply by Chat GPT.

Summed up the reason for creation and the reconciliation of humanity with the crucifixion.

Agape love at a divine level.

A level of love beyond our comprehension.

 

[GWH]

You have some wacky ideas. God gifts unbelievers? Witchcraft is not a gift of God, it is a work of the flesh (Galatians 5:19). Witchcraft is a blanket term for the occult of all kinds.

Where does it say that Satan is an angel of love? Jesus calls him thief, murderer and destroyer.

So you think unbelievers who are dynamic speakers, ingenious scientists, inspired songwriters, healing doctors and so forth do not receive those abilities from God?

2CR 11:14 says Satan can masquerade as an angel of light, which implies that he can also appear to be loving--as many cult leaders do.

 

[GWH]

The Ten Commandments are incorporated into the doctrine of Christ, all except keeping the seventh day holy. That one is not part of the teaching of the New Testament. Christ changed many of the commandments in the OldvTestament and resplaced them with NEW commandments. See Matthew 5-7. The old Jewish law that was for Jews only has been replaced by the law of Christ. Christians have a new day—the first day of the week. Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:1-2. All of the other original 10 commandments are part of Christ’s new law.

Yes, and the two greatest commandments (MT 22:37-40) are incorporated into the one new commandment to love everyone (JN 13:34, GL 5:14).

 

[DJT_47]

Th apostles had no power to impart anything.

The Holy Spirit is the source of all miracles.

Moses was displaying miracles in the O.T. and so was Elijah, in fact, Elijah raised a widow's son from death.

I think it'd be wise for you to read very closely the book of Acts for a starter as it emphatically states otherwise. Your statement is a silly and unlearned one. The power from on high was promised to the 11 apostles as recorded in Luke 24:49, and it came to pass as recorded in the 2nd chapter of Acts and demonstrated from thereon.

Acts 8:18-19

18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

 

[GWH]

I think it'd be wise for you to read very closely the book of Acts for a starter as it emphatically states otherwise. Your statement is a silly and unlearned one. The power from on high was promised to the 11 apostles as recorded in Luke 24:49, and it came to pass as recorded in the 2nd chapter of Acts and demonstrated from thereon.

Acts 8:18-19

18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

And even wiser to interpret historical passages in Acts in light of doctrinal passages in Paul's epistles.

 

[Inquisitor]

I think it'd be wise for you to read very closely the book of Acts for a starter as it emphatically states otherwise. Your statement is a silly and unlearned one. The power from on high was promised to the 11 apostles as recorded in Luke 24:49, and it came to pass as recorded in the 2nd chapter of Acts and demonstrated from thereon.

Acts 8:18-19

18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

Where did you get that crazy idea that only the apostles were empowered by the Holy Spirit.

You think Paul's instruction to the Corinthian Church is not valid?

1 Corinthians 12:4-11
Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.
There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. But to each one is given
the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given the word of wisdom through
the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit,
and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy,
and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the
interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one
individually just as He wills.

Are you ready to submit to the Lord's Commandment or not?