When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

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kaylagrl

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Oh yeah? But never spare any breath to label as "anti-semites" anyone who criticizes the state of Israel or this phony "christian zionist" deception. Zero credibility.
Never talked to anyone yet that believed Replacement Theology heresy yet that didn't have anti- Semitic beliefs.Why? Because that is how Replacement Theology began. It came from Martin Luther, carried over from the Catholic church. After the Holocaust the Catholic, and Protestant churches repented of this false belief and blaming the Jews for killing Christ. But people drag it up and all the canards with it over and over again. I don't have to talk to these people long to tell where their heart really is.
 

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There is a Beam in the eye of America we need to check out and stop
Looking for other countries problems




Oh yeah? But never spare any breath to label as "anti-semites" anyone who criticizes the state of Israel or this phony "christian zionist" deception. Zero credibility.
 

Platosgal

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Is it possible to criticize a group’s estimation of itself or what others esteem it to be without being “anti-group”?

Was God “anti-Ninevehic” for sending Jonah to condemn their city to destruction? Was Jesus anti-Semitic when He said their father was the devil?
Why is it even in the consciousness of a believer to HATE any one population of humanity? Each individual has their own path...I can't see God who sent Jonah to help SAVE them
" God did not send his son into the worl to condemn but to SAVE
 
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That goes against the bulk of Bible prophecy. If the Church is Israel, then the land of Israel would belong to the Church. But since God promised Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that the twelve tribes would inherit that land, we see its future fulfillment in the book of Ezekiel. At the same time heavenly New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the Church.
Such contradictions. The "land of Israel" doesn't even belong to Israel! Have you compared the 2021 A.D. border to the 1st century border?

The bulk of prophecy says the Israel of God, the church, is to be the center of a worldwide battle, not some local skirmish between China, N. Korea, Russia, etc. which doesn't even line up with Scripture either.
 
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Why is it even in the consciousness of a believer to HATE any one population of humanity? Each individual has their own path...I can't see God who sent Jonah to help SAVE them
" God did not send his son into the worl to condemn but to SAVE
Why you asking me? Please ask someone who has "hate" as part of their vocabulary.

BTW, that would be the hyper-grace folks who hate God's law and tolerate anything and everything except those who stand up and call sin by it's rightful name:

"Hate not thy brother in thine own heart: thou shalt in any wise REBUKE thy neighbor and not suffer sin upon him...Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD." Leviticus 19:17-18 KJV​
 

tribesman

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Why you asking me? Please ask someone who has "hate" as part of their vocabulary.

BTW, that would be the hyper-grace folks who hate God's law and tolerate anything and everything except those who stand up and call sin by it's rightful name:

"Hate not thy brother in thine own heart: thou shalt in any wise REBUKE thy neighbor and not suffer sin upon him...Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD." Leviticus 19:17-18 KJV​
Good scripture - and rebuke. If people call truth "hate" then that's certainly their problem.
 

tribesman

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I agree. Christians cannot in good conscience support Zionism. By the same token Christians must stand against all attacks on Israel, which are all grounded in hatred for the Jews. The whole world is essentially against Israel, and we can be thankful that Donald Trump stood with Israel and made Jerusalem its capital. Christians must also understand two things very clearly: (1) God is not finished with the Jews and Israel, and (2) many Messianic Jews are in fact Christians and working to evangelize non-believing Jews.
What you are talking about is purely political. The state of Israel may also defend itself from terrorism just as any other nation may do so. I do not say anything against that. But it is nothing but mere worldly politics, it has nothing at all to do with "fulfillment of Bible prophecy". Nothing.

I see therefore no reason that "Christians MUST" (your wording) stand with Israel more or less than with any other worldly secular political state. As for myself I stand with ALL christians in the Middle East, whether they be jewish, arab, assyrian, armenian or any other ethnicity. Of course this applies to all christians all around the world as well. May God bless all christians - His people.
 

tribesman

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This "christian zionism" mental issue is really something that has a grip on people who are very shallow in their beliefs. People who never dig much enough and lack any patos for seeking out what is truth. It's for spiritual nobodies who feed on spiritual junk food out of ignorance of what makes up a healthy diet. Fat and unhealthy sitting and watching TV as much as they can, dumbing themselves down yet the more. If these people are christians at all then they are infants who are learning to drink milk. Just get over it, dummy.
 

kaylagrl

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This "christian zionism" mental issue is really something that has a grip on people who are very shallow in their beliefs.
Name calling now. smh No, we just don't believe in the heresy of Replacement Theology in all it's various names that try to trick people that it's not just the same old anti- Semitism that was the cause of the Holocaust.



People who never dig much enough and lack any patos for seeking out what is truth. It's for spiritual nobodies who feed on spiritual junk food out of ignorance of what makes up a healthy diet.
What does " God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable" mean ?? Speaking of ignorance...


Fat and unhealthy sitting and watching TV as much as they can, dumbing themselves down yet the more.
I think you need to generalize a little more, maybe throw in a blanket statement. That'll prove your heresy right. Never mind that it's not in the Word. BTW I spent over 20 yrs in traveling ministry, saw home and loved ones a few months a year. So you can stop puffing yourself up and calling others fat and lazy. ;)


If these people are christians at all then they are infants who are learning to drink milk. Just get over it, dummy.
Ahh, now we're playing God are we?? Says someone who was saved in '91. You know it all do you? smh No wonder you fell so easily for heresy, unteachable spirit. And what's the name of the church you attend that teaches this? Let me guess, you don't go to church. Because nobody knows everything like you know it. Riiigght.
 

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Being wise in conceit happens to anyone who forgets he is saved by faith, no matter what race he is, Jew or gentile.

Paul isn't teaching that "all Israel" =all Jews. He's teaching that believers, whether Jew or gentile = all Israel.

Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Rom.11:18

Our Lord Jesus bears all by faith in him.

And I'm not condemning unbelieving Jewish or gentiles, no matter how conceited they are.
Faith is not of ourselves lest we boast. God can impart to whosoever He wishes.

God deals with Israel as a nation, always has, always will. They fell as a nation and they will rise again as a nation.
 

Evmur

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This is an interesting chat

How can American Christians

Who watch Netflix( AntiChrist programing) and media outlets that literally HATE Christ
Worship Trump
Stand silent against Abortion
Allow Heritics and Pedophiles to give sacraments and lead supposed churches
Support False Prophets

Judge Israel or Jews??

The arrogance is mind boggling
Yes, and God says that the Jews are beloved. God loves them, no wonder Satan hates them.
 

Journeyman

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Faith is not of ourselves lest we boast. God can impart to whosoever He wishes.
No. SLvation is by faith, not works, lest we boast. Faith comes by hearing anout God's grace. God's grace is not of ourselves, lest we boast.

God deals with Israel as a nation, always has, always will. They fell as a nation and they will rise again as a nation.
Jesus taught the opposite, as does the OT. God swore by himself that the unrepentant would never enter his rest. If they didn't repent, they would die in their sins.

You are giving Jewish people a false sense of security.
 
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Faith is not of ourselves lest we boast. God can impart to whosoever He wishes.

God deals with Israel as a nation, always has, always will. They fell as a nation and they will rise again as a nation.
I think Journeyman's doctrine has covenant theology as its foundation.

Thus, he would have difficulties seeing the nation Israel as separate from the Body of Christ.
 

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I think Journeyman's doctrine has covenant theology as its foundation.
I don't know what you mean by "covenant theology", but the covenant between God and Abraham was made in Christ,

to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal.3:16-17

Thus, he would have difficulties seeing the nation Israel as separate from the Body of Christ.
They arent separated. They are one in Christ, along with their father Abraham by faith in Jesus,

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. Gal.4:28

Teaching division of Christs body is heresy and those who do so will answer for it.
 
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I don't know what you mean by "covenant theology", but the covenant between God and Abraham was made in Christ,

to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal.3:16-17

They arent separated. They are one in Christ, along with their father Abraham by faith in Jesus,

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. Gal.4:28

Teaching division of Christs body is heresy and those who do so will answer for it.
Yep, as I stated, people who have difficulty separating the 2 are very likely to subscribe to ct

You can see whether you share a similar view as what is stated here https://rts.edu/resources/what-are-some-misconceptions-about-covenant-theology/
 

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I think Journeyman's doctrine has covenant theology as its foundation.

Thus, he would have difficulties seeing the nation Israel as separate from the Body of Christ.
Well the covenant God made made with Abe and his seed [from his loins] was an everlasting covenant as was God's covenant with David.
The covenant God annulled was not the Abrahamic covenant but the covenant of the law.

There are promises made to the jews which are distinct from the promises made to the church. Promises which have not yet come to pass.

God will not renege on His promise to them any more than He will renege on His promise to us.
 

Evmur

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No. SLvation is by faith, not works, lest we boast. Faith comes by hearing anout God's grace. God's grace is not of ourselves, lest we boast.

Jesus taught the opposite, as does the OT. God swore by himself that the unrepentant would never enter his rest. If they didn't repent, they would die in their sins.

You are giving Jewish people a false sense of security.
Salvation is by faith, and the Jews will believe, in fact they DO believe the promises made to them, they do not yet believe in the One who has delivered it, but they will. Don't be blind ... the Jews who were turned back to the wilderness who did not enter the rest, the promised land. Did God forsake them in the wilderness? did He cast them off? did He say you are no longer My people?

It was to the Jewish leaders of Jesu's time, the Roman lackies to whom Jesus said "you will die in your sins" the multitudes heard Him gladly.
 

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The inspired words of the prophet Solomon declare God would always listen from heaven for the repentant cries of His scattered people and bring them back to the land after scattering them for disobedience.

You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will not find a single instance where God gathered Israel back to the land after scattering them for disobedience without them first having repented. His promises of deliverance regarding the Babylonian captivity are not an exception -- we know for a fact the Babylonian captivity not only permanently cured Israel of their idolatry, but led to the institution of hundreds of (anti-idolatry) laws meant to keep the people from ever falling under the spell of idolatry again. These laws, unfortunately, eventually became for the people the focus and the means for obtaining salvation rather than the representative lamb offered morning and evening which pointed to the Messiah.

ISRAEL HAS NEVER REPENTED OF KILLING JESUS CHRIST.

So, why do Christians disregard God's own divinely established principle for "scattering and gathering" and insist He had a hand in the events of 1948 when it can be shown that the occult U.N., the occult U.S. "Deep State", and the occult Papacy were behind them? Their disregard for this divine principle has led them to wrongly attribute Biblical promises to those who today call Jesus "son of a whore" and "the great imposter" rather than to whom God's promises pertain in our day: the Church, which is "Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise" because it is the Church which belongs to Christ, not impenitent pseudo-Jewish descendants of the pagan Khazarian Empire who don't have a drop of Semitic blood in them.
It troubles me why this post got so much negative response. Are we worshipers of Jesus or are we worshippers of a people who reject the blood of The Lamb of God. We might as well worship the with Jehovah Witnessers. Todays Jews need to do the same thing that those in the Early Church did. They must repent and be born again. This is not anti-Semitism. This is pro-Atonement-ism.
 
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Name calling now. smh No, we just don't believe in the heresy of Replacement Theology in all it's various names that try to trick people that it's not just the same old anti- Semitism that was the cause of the Holocaust.





What does " God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable" mean ?? Speaking of ignorance...




I think you need to generalize a little more, maybe throw in a blanket statement. That'll prove your heresy right. Never mind that it's not in the Word. BTW I spent over 20 yrs in traveling ministry, saw home and loved ones a few months a year. So you can stop puffing yourself up and calling others fat and lazy. ;)




Ahh, now we're playing God are we?? Says someone who was saved in '91. You know it all do you? smh No wonder you fell so easily for heresy, unteachable spirit. And what's the name of the church you attend that teaches this? Let me guess, you don't go to church. Because nobody knows everything like you know it. Riiigght.
Love the christian zionism remark.

I know of nobody who thinks unbelieving Jews are saved. But for some reason, They can not comprehend this, because they are to proud to try to learn what people really think

It is just as bad as saying people who believe in Grace do not call sin sin. When in fact this is so far from the truth its laughable