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#61
So, I feel like all the Bible translations are simply for reading the scripture in a language more suitable for the reader. I think that would totally depend on your preference. Its the same things, said in a different way. Then again, I'm not an expert either. Ive only read the NIV, NKJV, and the KJV so far.
 

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#63
I have "upgraded" my 'Like' to 'Winner' on post #45. Why? Because, the reaction he is getting from making that post is ABSOLUTELY proving his point beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt.
 
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I know of no evidence to the contrary; on-the-contrary, the matter-of-proof that seems to be evident in all of my knowledge-and-experience with it - with regard to Truth - is that - nothing ever came out of Alexandria, Egypt that was worth anything. In the context of Truth, with regard to the topic of this thread - Alexandria, Egypt is the cornerstone of all-that-is-a-lie.

In the context of Truth, with regard to the topic of this thread - Alexandria, Egypt is the "seat of Satan" - from which all matter of lies spew forth...
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. There is no doctrine effected by newer translations.

Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

"nothing ever came out of Alexandria, Egypt that was worth anything"

Got that one wrong.
 

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#65
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. There is no doctrine effected by newer translations.

Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

"nothing ever came out of Alexandria, Egypt that was worth anything"

Got that one wrong.
Did I say "out of Egypt" or did I say "out of Alexandria, Egypt"...???

You should have quoted this verse:

Acts 18:

24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

Even then - it would have still been "reaching for anything" just to say something against what I wrote - and, naturally, out of context.

And this...?
There is no doctrine effected by newer translations.
This is a joke. There is much doctrine that is grossly affected in the newer translations.
 

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#66
I appreciate all HONEST input and opinion. I hate no one. I have only read KJV, but I know others who have read other versions. Not all of them were dancing around campfires at night eating a strange variety of body parts. Don't let Satan use this thread to divide and conquer the CC-ites.
 

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I appreciate all HONEST input and opinion. I hate no one. I have only read KJV, but I know others who have read other versions. Not all of them were dancing around campfires at night eating a strange variety of body parts. Don't let Satan use this thread to divide and conquer the CC-ites.
Does this mean that some of them have been seen dancing around campfires at night eating a strange variety of body parts? :eek:

;)
:)
 
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. Don't let Satan use this thread to divide and conquer the CC-ites.
The KJV only crowd have been "dividing" for years. Eventually most of them will die out. It's an insipid form of conspiracy theory.

You'll find them all over the net disrupting forums where ever they go.
 

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I appreciate all HONEST input and opinion. I hate no one. I have only read KJV, but I know others who have read other versions. Not all of them were dancing around campfires at night eating a strange variety of body parts. Don't let Satan use this thread to divide and conquer the CC-ites.
If you refuse to see how the KJV changes the original words of the Lord, then there is a part of what the lord is telling you that you are refusing to see or know. It is a wonderful and beautiful translation, if you will accept all the Lord's words and know where and how this translation is not true to the Lord.
 
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I have that "extraordinary evidence".
I've seen all the supposed evidence presented on other forums over the years, none of it lived up to it's reputation. In fact it was easily refuted.
 
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If anyone is interested:

New Testament
NIV
Again, according to the Introduction in the 2011 NIV:​
The Greek text used in translating the New Testament is an eclectic one, based on the latest editions of the Nestle-Aland/United Bible Societies’ Greek New Testament. The committee has made its choices among the variant readings in accordance with widely accepted principles of New Testament textual criticism. Footnotes call attention to places where uncertainty remains.​

The Greek New Testament the authors refer to is a compilation of hundreds of different Greek manuscripts. The editors essentially judged all of the variants available for each verse and made a decision as to which particular variant reading to select. Bruce Metzger has published separately a Textual Commentary that explains each decision made. The resulting text is sometimes referred to as the "Critical Text".​
KJV
Dr. Maurice Robinson claims in the introduction to a modern edition of the 1550 Stephen's Textus Receptus that there are actually several extant Greek texts published around that time frame that are similarly named. He writes:​
The Stephens 1550 edition of the so-called “Textus Receptus” (Received Text) reflects a general agreement with other early printed Greek texts also (erroneously) called by that name. These include editions such as that of Erasmus 1516, Beza 1598, and (the only one actually termed “Textus Receptus”) Elzevir 1633. Berry correctly notes that “In the main they are one and the same; and [any] of them may be referred to as the Textus Receptus” (Berry, p.ii).​
All these early printed Greek New Testaments closely parallel the text of the English-language Authorized (or King James) Version of 1611, since that version was based closely upon Beza 1598, which differed little from its “Textus Receptus” predecessors. These early Greek “TR” editions generally reflect (but not completely) the “Byzantine Textform,” otherwise called the “Majority” or “Traditional” text, which predominated throughout the period of manual copying of Greek New Testament manuscripts.​
Dr. Robinson also explains the key differences between the Critical Text (e.g. NIV) and the Textus Receptus (KJV):

The user should note that the Stephens 1550 TR edition does not agree with modern critical editions such as that published by the United Bible Societies or the various Nestle editions. These editions follow a predominantly “Alexandrian” Greek text, as opposed to the Byzantine Textform which generally underlies all TR editions. Note, however, that 85%+ of the text of ALL Greek New Testament editions is identical.​
He also points out that the New King James Version (NKJV), published by Thomas Nelson, footnotes verses where the CT and TR variants diverge.

https://christianity.stackexchange....-create-the-niv-and-kjv-are-the-manuscripts-u
 

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#74
I've seen all the supposed evidence presented on other forums over the years, none of it lived up to it's reputation. In fact it was easily refuted.
Each one is easily confirmed, and each one is easily refuted. We are to listen for the Lord's word through the translations. It is the lord who is speaking to us, not the translations of men. There is some weakness in all of them, they cannot be perfect. We are to learn of that weakness and correct it in our own minds, knowing we also are not perfect.

When KJV only people tell us it is perfect, they are not working for the lord.
 

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I know of no evidence to the contrary; on-the-contrary, the matter-of-proof that seems to be evident in all of my knowledge-and-experience with it - with regard to Truth - is that - nothing ever came out of Alexandria, Egypt that was worth anything. In the context of Truth, with regard to the topic of this thread - Alexandria, Egypt is the cornerstone of all-that-is-a-lie.

In the context of Truth, with regard to the topic of this thread - Alexandria, Egypt is the "seat of Satan" - from which all matter of lies spew forth...
Athanasius... Bishop of ...


ALEXANDRIA.


smh...
 

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I know of no evidence to the contrary; on-the-contrary, the matter-of-proof that seems to be evident in all of my knowledge-and-experience with it - with regard to Truth - is that - nothing ever came out of Alexandria, Egypt that was worth anything. In the context of Truth, with regard to the topic of this thread - Alexandria, Egypt is the cornerstone of all-that-is-a-lie.

In the context of Truth, with regard to the topic of this thread - Alexandria, Egypt is the "seat of Satan" - from which all matter of lies spew forth...
I suggest you erase Isaiah 19 from your KJV then. One of the most beautiful prophecies in the Tanakh.
Showing clearly God's love for Jew & Gentile. A personal favourite

Isaiah 19 (KJV)

22 And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
 

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#78
I suggest you erase Isaiah 19 from your KJV then. One of the most beautiful prophecies in the Tanakh.
Showing clearly God's love for Jew & Gentile. A personal favourite

Isaiah 19 (KJV)

22 And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
This is second coming, millennial kingdom prophecy. Until then Egypt is a type of the world and warned to stay away.
 

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This is second coming, millennial kingdom prophecy. Until then Egypt is a type of the world and warned to stay away.
The ultimate fulfilment of prophecy is not always the only fulfilment. We serve a big God.
Egypt & Assyria had thriving churches from the first Century AD forward. The remnant of those believers, survivors of Islamic conquest still survive. God restores. It's his way to resurrect from the old, the broken, the dead.

Before that God used the library at Alexandria to translate the Hebrew scriptures into Greek. Whatever your beliefs about alleged corruption of later manuscripts, God used that place for his purpose. It was Koine Greek, the same language he would use to disseminate the NT scripture. Scripture as a whole in one language, perfectly planned.

Scripture must ALWAYS be consulted as a whole. Seeing one aspect of a story without seeing the other is partial blindness.
This is why we have so much antisemitism in the church. People focussing only on curses regarding Israel but not on the blessings
& promises of God toward them.
 

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Before that God used the library at Alexandria to translate the Hebrew scriptures into Greek. Whatever your beliefs about alleged corruption of later manuscripts, God used that place for his purpose. It was Koine Greek, the same language he would use to disseminate the NT scripture. Scripture as a whole in one language, perfectly planned.
Don’t blame God for the Alexandria texts.😉