Who is a Jew?
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Thanks be to God, that through Jesus He no longer gives His preferential treatment to any race or gender, or whether you are bonded to anyone or institution, or not. Those distinctions no longer apply since Jesus' mission on earth, God will offer His gift of faith to anyone He wishes, no matter what their background is.
We know that all Israel will be saved, so in my opinion that rather begs the question.... who or what is the true Israel, the holy nation, the royal priesthood of God! Of course, the answer to that is simple, the true nation of Israel is comprised of all the true followers of Christ, only.
We know that all Israel will be saved, so in my opinion that rather begs the question.... who or what is the true Israel, the holy nation, the royal priesthood of God! Of course, the answer to that is simple, the true nation of Israel is comprised of all the true followers of Christ, only.
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Brother, we've had some great conversations, so I will also ask you. What does Romans 11 mean when it says blinded for a time? I absolutely believe the only way to be saved is through Christ. What I cannot understand is why so many people seem to skip Romans 11 like it doesn't exist. Or that God didn't make an unconditional covenant with Abraham. What is or was the nation born in a day? If you would not mind explaining those few questions I would appreciate it.
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Totally correct and that is why both of us are pointing out his errors and false teaching. And his false teaching goes far beyond this, some of which I shared. When false teaching like this is so obvious and people still refuse to accept the truth it makes me think of where the Bible speaks of itching ears. People hear what they want to hear and what backs up their bias.
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You can mark a red x 100 times, I will not back down from false teaching. I haven't done it before you and I won't after. So you're wasting your time and energy. Jesus loves the Jewish people, He will keep His promises or God is a liar. And if He does not keep His promise to the Jews, He will not keep His promise to you and your hope of heaven is empty.
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Why prominently display your angst, rebellion, and disagreeable nature for all to see? Your lack of understanding of Romans 11 is no one's fault but your own, yet you advertise that lack without end and, shame or humility. Your nature is not what one expects to encounter in a Christian forum, yet here you are creating division. As for the ratings, if they bother as much as it seems, based on more than one mention, then stop doing it to others first. You have, of course, heard of "the golden rule"? Try to practice a little self-control if it is within your capabilities. You are setting a poor example for others to follow, and NOT the example Jesus set for us. Now give it all of your efforts though it will seem difficult, try to have a peaceful and pleasant day, Not only God is watching.
Of course its not over.
There are still people coming to Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
This is pretty straightforward. There is no dual blessing. No man comes to the Father but by the Lord Jesus Christ.
All the blessings and prophecies and promises of scripture are through the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
There are still people coming to Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
This is pretty straightforward. There is no dual blessing. No man comes to the Father but by the Lord Jesus Christ.
All the blessings and prophecies and promises of scripture are through the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
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No one has said there is any other way but Christ in this thread. There are promises made to Abraham that have not yet been fulfilled but will be. Perhaps we need to start back with that unconditional covenant. Then you will see what I mean. Jews are/will be saved the same way everyone else is, just as Romans 11 says.
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I do not say this to anger you further, I think you are finding this subject emotional. But your information says you were saved in 2008. Had you been in church before that? I ask because I don't see how a mature Christian could fall for a false preacher like Anderson so quickly. Just what is it about Romans 11 that I don't understand? I have been raised under some wonderful preachers and teachers. I have been on the road a long time. I have been in more churches than most anyone here will ever see because that was my lifes work and calling. And when someone pops up with false doctrine I cannot just let it go. Perhaps I am too direct, but I have seen too many people turned away from the truth in my years in different churches to let false doctrine pass. So I don't know if you are just a new Christian and don't see why Anderson is a false preacher, or there is some other reason. But I cannot sit idly by and let heresy pass. I cannot.
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Romans 11:
1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected His people whom He knew beforehand. Or do you not know what the Scripture says about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
3 “ADONAI, they have killed your prophets, they have destroyed your altars; I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.”
4 But what is the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
5 So in the same way also at this present time there has come to be a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer by works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained; but the elect obtained it, and the rest were hardened—
8 just as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes not to see and ears not to hear, until this very day.”
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25 For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be ignorant of this mystery—lest you be wise in your own eyes —that a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the [[fullness of the Gentiles]] has come in;
26 and in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer shall come out of Zion. He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
27 And this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.”
1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected His people whom He knew beforehand. Or do you not know what the Scripture says about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
3 “ADONAI, they have killed your prophets, they have destroyed your altars; I alone am left, and they are seeking my life.”
4 But what is the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
5 So in the same way also at this present time there has come to be a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer by works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained; but the elect obtained it, and the rest were hardened—
8 just as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes not to see and ears not to hear, until this very day.”
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25 For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be ignorant of this mystery—lest you be wise in your own eyes —that a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the [[fullness of the Gentiles]] has come in;
26 and in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer shall come out of Zion. He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
27 And this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.”
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Anger me? You could not even with all the effort you have given thus far. As for the 2008 date that you mentioned, no, I have been in churches all of my 55-years (a few different denominations) but it was not until 2008 that I truly met the Lord, and I consider it my birth in Christ and not the years prior even though I was saved at the tender age of seven. As for Pastor Steven Anderson, frankly, it is not your concern who likes his preaching or not, yet you force your opinions down others' throats with such vitriol that your relationship with God comes into question. You stated that you were raised under some wonderful preachers and teachers and it would seem they should have spent more time on humility, mercy, grace, and proper etiquette. What I have witnessed is a disagreeable and confrontational nature springing from I dare not say. Again, you are wrong when you stated you can't sit idly by when you should have said you will not. A quick look back at your comments, especially to and about me will show you a perfect example of why many are turned away from the truth. You do understand you can disagree with a comment and move to the next without a negative rating. Do you not? Yet you give them out as though they were candy and whine when you get one back. At least you are learning how that feels. Now if you continue to present yourself in an uncivil fashion, and the opposite of how a Christian should present himself/herself, I find no need for further discourse. Have a great day.
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It was an honest question, that was not called for. So you're saying you were saved at the age of seven, but those years in between you weren't saved? Until 2008? Not sure what you're saying there.
1 John 4:1
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Romans 16:17
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 Timothy 4:3
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Peter 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction [a]does not slumber.
Matthew 7:15
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Ephesians 5:11
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
No, it is our duty to point out false doctrine. I posted the man in his own words, and they do not line up with the Word. Has nothing to do with my opinion. Any preacher, you hold his preaching up against the Word and if they don't line up, that is a false preacher, you don't like that, take it up with Him.
You're angry and emotional. You can call my Christian walk "into question" but I could say the same of you. You don't know me, God knows me and He and I are good.
Humility, mercy and grace,which you refuse to the Jewish people. How sad that you can't see yourself in the mirror.
Can't, won't, I will do neither when it comes to false teaching. Bank on it.
If your "truth" is the same as Andersons "truth" you're both in the dark, blind leading the blind. People need to be turned away from that "truth".
As can you. In fact, if you have such hatred in your heart, why do you keep answering back?!
And yet you keep answering...
I will, in spite of the fact that you don't mean that from your heart.
p.s Lastly let me ask you, what do you know about the Holocaust, persecution of the Jews and what led to the Holocaust ? Have you ever tried to lead a Jewish person to the Lord?!
1 John 4:1
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Romans 16:17
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 Timothy 4:3
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Peter 2 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction [a]does not slumber.
Matthew 7:15
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Ephesians 5:11
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
No, it is our duty to point out false doctrine. I posted the man in his own words, and they do not line up with the Word. Has nothing to do with my opinion. Any preacher, you hold his preaching up against the Word and if they don't line up, that is a false preacher, you don't like that, take it up with Him.
You're angry and emotional. You can call my Christian walk "into question" but I could say the same of you. You don't know me, God knows me and He and I are good.
Humility, mercy and grace,which you refuse to the Jewish people. How sad that you can't see yourself in the mirror.
Can't, won't, I will do neither when it comes to false teaching. Bank on it.
If your "truth" is the same as Andersons "truth" you're both in the dark, blind leading the blind. People need to be turned away from that "truth".
As can you. In fact, if you have such hatred in your heart, why do you keep answering back?!
And yet you keep answering...
I will, in spite of the fact that you don't mean that from your heart.
p.s Lastly let me ask you, what do you know about the Holocaust, persecution of the Jews and what led to the Holocaust ? Have you ever tried to lead a Jewish person to the Lord?!
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I owe you no explanation, answer, or even response, for that matter. The claims I presented in my last retort, have now been proven accurate in your reply, which I shall refer to as Exhibit-A. As for the contents of said Exhibit-A, pertaining to the questions you put forth......obtain the answers as best as you can without my aide. You are incorrigible and I have already stated before there is no need for further discourse. Should I need to explain that further, seeing you did not grasp it fully the first time, I shall in a way even you should be able to comprehend. I don't want to hear from you again..........ever. Now have a pleasant day.
if it weren't for the blinding and hardening, and if the Jews were in accordance with God, they surely would have not killed Jesus.
if they did not kill Jesus, we would not be saved.
so it's a good thing God blinded and hardened them. and makes better sense why God will have Mercy upon them when the Fullness of the Gentiles has finished.
if they did not kill Jesus, we would not be saved.
so it's a good thing God blinded and hardened them. and makes better sense why God will have Mercy upon them when the Fullness of the Gentiles has finished.
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You are right, but what some fail to see is that even though the Jews were blinded, Jesus had a large following of Jews (that apparently were not blinded because many were martyred for Christ). So, that "blindness" is just a crutch. We see many so-called Jews coming to Christ now as Messianic Jews and some Jews as Christians with no affiliation to Judaism at all. I would like for someone to explain "blindness" and hardened hearts on their part if they can. Thanks for the comment. Again, I agree fully.
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