Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[reneweddaybyday]

When scripture states that believers are Justified by Faith or made Righteous by Faith, it does not mean that their act of faith/ believing made them Justified and or Righteous, or that the act itself is their Righteousness , however it doeth mean that the object of our Faith, Namely Christ, hath Justified us and made us Righteous.

True statement.

When the unbeliever places his/her faith in a lie, there is no benefit.

However, when the unbeliever places his/her faith in the truth ... and the Object of his/her faith is the Lord Jesus Christ ... he/she is saved:


Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

In fact, The Gospel reveals or makes known our Righteousness to our Faith

And here is where you fall off the rails.

According to the text, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation:

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth


Do not change the truth from

the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth​

to your erroneous understanding.

Just believe Scripture as written. No need to change anything.
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[reneweddaybyday]

When scripture states that believers are Justified by Faith or made Righteous by Faith, it does not mean that their act of faith/ believing made them Justified and or Righteous, or that the act itself is their Righteousness , however it doeth mean that the object of our Faith, Namely Christ, hath Justified us and made us Righteous.

True statement.

You see, if Faith be not taken to mean its object being our Righteousness instead of our act of it being our Righteousness as the antichrist followers sayeth it means

To which "antichrist followers" are you referring, brightfame52? Name names here ... don't just lay out blanket accusations without naming the person (or persons).

Certainly the "antichrist followers" should have a chance to rebut your accusation that they are "antichrist followers".
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[brightfame52]

Justified freely by His Grace !

Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

The word freely here, the greek word dōrean:

I.freely, undeservedly,without a cause, or without a reason, or without a consideration, without an condition !

Those Christ died for are Justified freely and without any conditions on their part. Now if we say that man is required to believe [something he does] to act faith, or any other type of gospel obedience to be Justified before God, then that nullifies being Justified freely by God's Grace, on the sole condition of Christ's redemptive work. Once we admit faith or something else of any gospel obedience we do, then we have just made Justification a matter of debt owed us , and hath forfieted any claims to Justification freely by Grace, it has now become something due unto us because we met a precondition of some sort, so then it is no longer a matter of Justification freely by Grace ! 11

 

[brightfame52]

Really? So you do understand that the guy who had been given a talent (the measure of faith - Rom 12:3). Yet he wasted what had been given and that which had been given was taken away. The guy ended up cast into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Matthew 25:

14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



Each servant had received from the lord of the servants and each servant utilized what he had been given as he saw fit.


The servants who had gained advantage with what he had been given were rewarded and entered into the joy of the lord.


The one who did nothing with what he had received was cast into outer darkness.


God does not withhold anything from mankind in order for mankind to respond to Him when He reaches out to us. When God reaches out, there are some who reject Him ... not because they do not have faith to believe ... but because they suppress the truth in unrighteousness ... just as we are shown in Romans 1:18-20. They are without excuse because they have been given all that is needed to believe the gospel of Christ, but they turn from the gospel to their own surmisings (man's wisdom) ... thereby suppressing the truth in unrighteousness.
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Please quit wasting time with Matt 25, it has nothing to do with Rom 12:3 ! Romans 12 is about Church order in the local body of Christ and instruction, Matt 25 is Eschatological. For here on out Im ignoring this evasive rabbit trail

 

[brightfame52]

Your heart is hardened against any reproof and your continued pursuit of something to hang on me in order to justify/rationalize your behavior is nothing but a waste of time.

Please move along ...
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Yes or No, Can sinners Christ died for, put their sins away by the sacrifice of Himself, still die in their sins ?

 

[brightfame52]

Nope, it's straight Scripture:


John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


You can deny all you want ... your denial of Scripture does not affect the truth of Scripture. Your denial only affects you in your relationship with God.
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More false teaching, Christ didnt die for all mankind. Nowhere does scripture say that.

 

[brightfame52]

Your response does not address the error in your dogma which I pointed out in Post 1516.

Let's refresh your memory:

In Post 1510, you stated:

This security from the wrath of God has nothing to do with mans faith, or repentance​

In Post 1516, I replied to your statement:

According to Scripture, the above statement is not true ...​

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Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.​

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Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;​

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Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:​

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You can deny all you want ... your denial of Scripture does not affect the truth of Scripture. Your denial only affects you in your relationship with God.​

Address the issue, brightfame52.

You claim no faith or repentance is required.

Scripture plainly states faith and repentance are required.

Align your dogma to Scripture. Do not attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.
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Again Those Christ died for are delivered from the wrath of God.

Thats because they are Justified. 1 Thess 1:10

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

The elect whom Christ died exclusively for, are by His death deliver/saved from wrath through Him, Jesus !

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Scripture plainly states faith and repentance are required.

Never does scripture say faith and repentance are required to be Justified before God. Thats a false message

 

[Magenta]

More false teaching, Christ didnt die for all mankind. Nowhere does scripture say that.

1 John 2:1-2

 

[FreeGrace2]

Again Those Christ died for are delivered from the wrath of God.

Jesus Christ died for everyone. It is the believer who is delivered from the wrath of God.

Thats because they are Justified. 1 Thess 1:10

Yes, all believers are justified. Romans 5:1

 

[Nehemiah6]

Never does scripture say faith and repentance are required to be Justified before God. That's a false message

When someone BLATANTLY CONTRADICTS the Bible (as in this comment) there is neither hope nor recourse, because that person is calling God a liar.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Once we admit faith or something else of any gospel obedience we do, then we have just made Justification a matter of debt owed us

The above statement is not true as shown in Scripture.

Romans 4:

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


brightfame52, your statement contradicts what is written in Romans 4:2-5.

Your problem is that you erroneously believe faith is works and God plainly tells us faith is not works. Believe God and let go of your erroneous dogma.

Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

Instead of ripping Rom 3:24 from the context within which it has been placed by the Author of Scripture, let's read the verse in the context.

Romans 3:

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


Clearly your understanding of faith is not according to Scripture.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[reneweddaybyday]

Please quit wasting time with Matt 25, it has nothing to do with Rom 12:3 !

Matthew 25 sure does have something to do with Rom 12:3 because Rom 12:3 states that God has given to every man ... not just every man among you (the church) ... God has given the measure of faith to every man, all mankind. All descendants of Adam have been given a measure of faith.

And then in Matthew 25, we read of the giving of talents. Of the three given talents, one of them went and buried his ... did nothing at all with it ... just as some do nothing with the faith God has given them but believe the lies of the adversary. So they take that faith which God gave them to believe in Him and waste it, just like the guy who buried his treasure in Matthew 25.

For here on out Im ignoring this evasive rabbit trail

Of course you are going to ignore Scripture which shines a light on your erroneous dogma. Much better to ignore truth than bring your dogma into alignment with Scripture.
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[reneweddaybyday]

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind, the world, the whole world

Thats false teaching

Nope, it's straight Scripture

More false teaching, Christ didnt die for all mankind. Nowhere does scripture say that.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


You can deny all you want ... your denial of Scripture does not affect the truth of Scripture. Your denial only affects you in your relationship with God.
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[reneweddaybyday]

Again Those Christ died for are delivered from the wrath of God.

Redirecting the discussion in order to avoid having to acknowledge the error of your statement is not going to work with me, brightfame52.


In Post 1510, you stated:

This security from the wrath of God has nothing to do with mans faith, or repentance​

In Post 1516, I replied to your statement:

According to Scripture, the above statement is not true ...​

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.​

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Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;​

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Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ​

Acts 2:38 and Acts 3:19 clearly state the believer receives the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), and is converted (Acts 3:19), upon repentance. To receive Holy Spirit equals being born again.

And Romans 5:1 clearly states the believer is justified by faith.

Bring your dogma into alignment with Scripture. Do not attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.
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[reneweddaybyday]

Never does scripture say faith and repentance are required to be Justified before God. Thats a false message

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

You can deny Scripture all you want, brightfame52. God allows you to do that. However, you pay the price for your folly.
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[reneweddaybyday]

You see, if Faith be not taken to mean its object being our Righteousness instead of our act of it being our Righteousness as the antichrist followers sayeth it means

To which "antichrist followers" are you referring, brightfame52? Name names here ... don't just lay out blanket accusations without naming the person (or persons).

Certainly the "antichrist followers" should have a chance to rebut your accusation that they are "antichrist followers".
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[brightfame52]

Your response does not address the error in your dogma which I pointed out in Post 1516.

Let's refresh your memory:

In Post 1510, you stated:

This security from the wrath of God has nothing to do with mans faith, or repentance​

In Post 1516, I replied to your statement:

According to Scripture, the above statement is not true ...​

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Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.​

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Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;​

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Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:​

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You can deny all you want ... your denial of Scripture does not affect the truth of Scripture. Your denial only affects you in your relationship with God.​

Address the issue, brightfame52.

You claim no faith or repentance is required.

Scripture plainly states faith and repentance are required.

Align your dogma to Scripture. Do not attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.
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It is addressed, those Christ died for are delivered from the wrath to come 1 Thess 1:10

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Faith and repentance has never delivered anyone from the wrath to come !

 

[reneweddaybyday]

It is addressed

no, brightfame52, you have not addressed the issue. All you are doing is repeating your mantra while ignoring the issue I raised.

Again ... you stated in Post 1510:

This security from the wrath of God has nothing to do with mans faith, or repentance​

keep in mind that you have stated that this security "has nothing to do with mans faith, or repentance"


Again ... my reply in Post 1516,:

According to Scripture, the above statement is not true ...​

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.​

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Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;​

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Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ​

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Acts 2:38 and Acts 3:19 clearly state the believer receives the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), and is converted (Acts 3:19), upon repentance. To receive Holy Spirit equals being born again.​

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And Romans 5:1 clearly states the believer is justified by faith.​

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Bring your dogma into alignment with Scripture. Do not attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.​

At this point, I am uncertain whether you have a reading comprehension problem or whether you are being intentionally obtuse. Whichever is your problem, you have not addressed the truth found in Scripture.
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[brightfame52]

The above statement is not true as shown in Scripture.

Romans 4:

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


brightfame52, your statement contradicts what is written in Romans 4:2-5.

Your problem is that you erroneously believe faith is works and God plainly tells us faith is not works. Believe God and let go of your erroneous dogma.





Instead of ripping Rom 3:24 from the context within which it has been placed by the Author of Scripture, let's read the verse in the context.

Romans 3:

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


Clearly your understanding of faith is not according to Scripture.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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See you condition Justification on man, that totally disregards Justification by Christ alone.