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TheLearner

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why do those who claims the Holy Spirit is teaching them related to doctrine contradict each other?

The second coming rapture threads are a good example.
 

Pilgrimshope

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there are many false teachings in the world about Christ and the gospel but he already said there would be and told us to stick with his word

Satan for all his flaws knows this is true but he sees it like this


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


How can I stop people from believing the word of thier salvstion so it’s a repeat of the beginning

“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he sees the word “ if I can make them eat the fruit I can kill them” because that’s his nature

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:44‬ ‭

so because he’s a killer and liar he lied to Mankind about Gods word not any lie would do it was pertaining to the truth that was about life and death

God told them how to live together with him in paradise and hold dominion on earth

Satan then came along led them to what would surely make them die by simply telling them another doctrine about the fruit than God said

“You are free and possess all thkngs but this tree is poison don’t eat “ said the lord

“ certainly not , it won’t hurt you it will make you as gods “ said the liar Intent in killing them this dastardly snake used the word of life to bring death by transgression because death is present when transgressed

and then he gave the law and said to them if you obey it you will live and I will dwell with you but if you don’t you will surely be cursed

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And so Satan became mans tempter by the many added laws making it this

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so he could kill us like the beginning

“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So all have sinned

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and so again by sin Satan has put man to death by the word of God meant for life or death they have again transgressed and chosen death

and so the gospel Jesus came and spoke his words and said believe me and be saved And then he said to those who believed him “ go tell everyone else what I said and tell them they will be saved if they believe like you “

and so God has once again spoken life and so then once again Satan has to start again somehow turning mans ears from what God said is eternal
Life of you believe it


and on the contrary eternal Damnation if it’s rejected

so now he can say that’s not the real gospel this is don’t believe what Jesus said is true thy is other scripture explains it all he doesn’t have to say “ don’t believe God “ he can say “ the gospel Jesus spoke isn’t actually the gospel “ the word “ grace” is the gospel or many other explaination tomget us to believe anything but what God said will save us

he’s clever and subtle and polite but he’s never going to agree with this because his goal is desth for us

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


But so few are willing to hear it and believe , and many are offended and don’t want them to find ots worth

the world we are in has many lies about the gospel but there is an eternally true gospel it’s was spoken by God who said it’s forever true

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23-25‬ ‭

Because that’s all true of Jesus the lords word satans job now it to offer other versions of the “ gospel “ because of we believe a lie called the gospel well
Never turn to truth and be saved

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Satan has many lies to tell us but we we’re warned beforehand like Adam and like isreal , so we need to hear it by faith like Noah and be saved
 

oyster67

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why do those who claims the Holy Spirit is teaching them related to doctrine contradict each other?

The second coming rapture threads are a good example.
On many minor issues, their is room for discussion. Sometimes we are simply looking at different sides of the same coin. I believe God may have set things up this way to see whether we would discuss in a loving way, or just willy-nilly pop off and bash each other's heads(or tails) in.

You chose to pick on beliefs about the Rapture Event. I believe that what is of far more importance is The Doctrine of The Second Coming. I see the Rapture event as being just a small part and minor detail under the much broader and more important Second Coming Doctrine. I believe that The Spirit has led all the true seekers into unity on the matters of critical importance. Just be ready for the Lord's Return. I think that is something we can all agree on. It does not matter whether Jesus' eyes were green or brown or whether He had a mustache.
 

Gideon300

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why do those who claims the Holy Spirit is teaching them related to doctrine contradict each other?

The second coming rapture threads are a good example.
Too many Christians rely on their own understanding. They don't know the difference between the Holy Spirit and their own thoughts. No one is immune from this. Problems arise when people become proud and believe that they could not possibly be wrong. There is way too much emphasis on "correct" doctrine, usually at the expense of love and unity. We do not need to have unity of doctrine in order to have unity in the Spirit. It's OK to say, "I don't know" and "I could be wrong". Some beliefs are central and essential. Many others are peripheral. No Christian has all knowledge and we learn more as we go along the Christian path. If Christians would stay small in themselves and grow in Christ, they would be much better off.
 

soberxp

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所以你们为什么不相信一个黄种人告诉你们的,耶稣已经来了,我亲眼看见他来了,驾云降临。
这不正确,至少不是政治正确:eek:
 

crossnote

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why do those who claims the Holy Spirit is teaching them related to doctrine contradict each other?

The second coming rapture threads are a good example.
Good grief, this is like asking Roy Rogers why did he shoot his wife Dale?
It assumes a thing to be false to accuse the innocent.

I know, it's really a sneaky Dispy attack disguised as a half intelligent question.
 

soberxp

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Good grief, this is like asking Roy Rogers why did he shoot his wife Dale?
It assumes a thing to be false to accuse the innocent.

I know, it's really a sneaky Dispy attack disguised as a half intelligent question.
有那么复杂吗? 耶稣来了,他真的来了。就好像一艘外星飞船隐身的来到地球已经十几年了,只是你们看不见
 

TMS

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why do those who claims the Holy Spirit is teaching them related to doctrine contradict each other?

The second coming rapture threads are a good example.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

We are told to try the spirits, There are evil spirits and they are able to appear as angles of light.
The bible is the filter, the way we try the spirits.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 

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The disciples talked about the risen Jesus,that the Kingdom of heaven is at hand( Matt 10:7-11) and the following will happen,that is all one needs to even preach about! But the problem with many, not all, but many feel the need to entertain as well. Jesus and the disciples had no choir,no band around them either.But like everything else the Lord created,man has found a way, to corrupt it. And the result is what we have today.

When I have preached myself,I talk about the Kingdom being at hand,then with scripture identify what the Lord has taught me about my own life,and share that,let them decide,no threats,or pressure,love never does that. This has worked very well for me,and the Lord as he promised confirmed his Word he gave to me to the people.( Mark 16:20)

And that is what to look for!! Holy Spirit has always moved in some way for me.I am not boasting in myself either!! I know who my Boss is!! And Jesus receives all the praise and Glory for it as well! I use the Word a lot when I speak,because people did not come to see me,but hear the truth which can set them free,and I can witness what Jesus does,and stay thankful for him!

I do not take 1 or 2 scriptures, then talk about myself for 2 hours. I talk about how Jesus helped me in my weakness,in an area of my life,then preach scripture that the Lord gave me to help me overcome in that area. ( Rom 8:14-16)

Sometimes I do not preach at all,because the Holy Spirit has not led me to preform that action,but rather just THANK HIM!! And Praise HIM!! Holy Spirit loves obedience! And Faith! To me Jesus is not putting on a show,but rather to gain results from doing just one thing!!!! ONLY BELIEVE!!!!( Mark 5:36) and 2 Cor 1:18-22) Just my thought on it.
 

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有那么复杂吗? 耶稣来了,他真的来了。就好像一艘外星飞船隐身的来到地球已经十几年了,只是你们看不见
So I put this into Google translate and get this...
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Is it that complicated? Jesus came, he really came. It’s as if an alien spaceship came to Earth in stealth for more than ten years, but you can’t see it."

So what are you trying to say in English?
 

BonnieClaire

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why do those who claims the Holy Spirit is teaching them related to doctrine contradict each other?

The second coming rapture threads are a good example.

They surround themselves with teachers who tell 'em what they want to hear. . .they are not Spirit led, and they prefer to believe in fables.


2 Timothy 4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. ~KJV
 

Pilgrimshope

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The disciples talked about the risen Jesus,that the Kingdom of heaven is at hand( Matt 10:7-11) and the following will happen,that is all one needs to even preach about! But the problem with many, not all, but many feel the need to entertain as well. Jesus and the disciples had no choir,no band around them either.But like everything else the Lord created,man has found a way, to corrupt it. And the result is what we have today.

When I have preached myself,I talk about the Kingdom being at hand,then with scripture identify what the Lord has taught me about my own life,and share that,let them decide,no threats,or pressure,love never does that. This has worked very well for me,and the Lord as he promised confirmed his Word he gave to me to the people.( Mark 16:20)

And that is what to look for!! Holy Spirit has always moved in some way for me.I am not boasting in myself either!! I know who my Boss is!! And Jesus receives all the praise and Glory for it as well! I use the Word a lot when I speak,because people did not come to see me,but hear the truth which can set them free,and I can witness what Jesus does,and stay thankful for him!

I do not take 1 or 2 scriptures, then talk about myself for 2 hours. I talk about how Jesus helped me in my weakness,in an area of my life,then preach scripture that the Lord gave me to help me overcome in that area. ( Rom 8:14-16)

Sometimes I do not preach at all,because the Holy Spirit has not led me to preform that action,but rather just THANK HIM!! And Praise HIM!! Holy Spirit loves obedience! And Faith! To me Jesus is not putting on a show,but rather to gain results from doing just one thing!!!! ONLY BELIEVE!!!!( Mark 5:36) and 2 Cor 1:18-22) Just my thought on it.
“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:45-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

TMS

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why do those who claims the Holy Spirit is teaching them related to doctrine contradict each other?

The second coming rapture threads are a good example.
If it feels right and it sounds good does that mean it is Gods Spirit?
Many false Spirits will use the emotions.
 

Blik

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1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

We are told to try the spirits, There are evil spirits and they are able to appear as angles of light.
The bible is the filter, the way we try the spirits.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
This is how scripture tells us to rely on the holy spirit. The holy spirit adds nothing to scripture, it helps us understand what is written.

For many years, church councils believed they could change scripture as it was written by claiming the changes were given them by the holy spirit. They said much of the old testament was to Israel only, for Jews only, not from God to them. It is only in the last century that church fathers have looked closely at those changes to be sure they were scripture based and not from the fleshly desires of the councils.

For years the councils were so against Jews that they felt that if the Jews did it, Christians should not do it. My goodness, Jews pray, and we know we are to pray. This being against Jews idea was the thought behind some of the changes made to doctrine, it wasn't the holy spirit as they claimed.
 
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So I put this into Google translate and get this...
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Is it that complicated? Jesus came, he really came. It’s as if an alien spaceship came to Earth in stealth for more than ten years, but you can’t see it."

So what are you trying to say in English?
This could be that Chinese cult that believes lightning strikes from the east, meaning Jesus already returned.
 

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This could be that Chinese cult that believes lightning strikes from the east, meaning Jesus already returned.
Chinese preterzels, well what do you know. lol
 

crossnote

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I thought many people should have read the news which I posted, really good news
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-second-coming-of-jesus.193968/#post-4337271
I didn't say something like this "Behold,here is the christ" or "there he is" or "behold,he is in the wilderness"
So far, none of this has happened. Can you think what the Bible says will really happen?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

2008.5.12 There was a 8.8 magnitude earthquake in China,WenChuan Earthquake
I have seen the sun was darkened in news,it was not that it doesn't glow,
I can only describe a large dark area in the part of the solar wind,
It's not something that can be seen with the eyes, it's seen by astronomical observation equipment.
Can total solar eclipse and total lunar eclipse be ok????So much has happened these years
I really don't know the stars,
But I did see a star fall from the sky,
Then it turned into a civil aircraft flying over my head, silent and powerless.I'm serious.
If you call that Good News, I can't be of any help.
 

soberxp

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If you call that Good News, I can't be of any help.
Why is it not good news? At least I know that God is not alien as some people call him. At least aliens can't do it