Why God wants (or need ) to create us (human beings) and why he Create us?

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“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,” Ephesians 3:9–10 (KJV 1900)
 
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Because HIS demonstration wasn´t to HIS angels, but to the ¨prince of the air¨
Thanks.
“And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,” Ephesians 3:9–10 (KJV 1900)
 

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The Church is the means for demonstrating God's wisdom to the angelic realm.
Ephesians 3 remains a mystery to those who are not baptized into CHRiST JESUS...and by JESUS coming into the world, GOD shut up the mouths of that realm that speaks lies... Thatś satan and his angels....

For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. 13Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
 

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The Wisdom already demonstrated is CHRIST JESUS...who is the hidden wisdom made known, but is foolishness to those who are perishing....

Romans 5 is written for those who have accepted THE CROSS which is WISDOM from GOD, sir...these are those who see that GOD demonstrated HIS LOVE, in that while we were still sinners, CHRIST died for us.

That is the MYSTERY made known, which has disarmed the power of satan...

Though he will continue to speak his lies to try to keep as many who do not believe from believing...


When you say, ¨angelic realm¨, please be clear on whose angels you are talking about

For your quote was referring to Ephesians 3, which speaks of satan´s and his angels as the powers and principalities of the air...
 

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Oh my goodness, I am so sorry...I was referring to Colossians.

I now realize that I do need to slow down...

Forgive me
 

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Forgive me, I was referring to Colossians 2

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
 
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The Wisdom already demonstrated is CHRIST JESUS...who is the hidden wisdom made known, but is foolishness to those who are perishing....

Romans 5 is written for those who have accepted THE CROSS which is WISDOM from GOD, sir...these are those who see that GOD demonstrated HIS LOVE, in that while we were still sinners, CHRIST died for us.

That is the MYSTERY made known, which has disarmed the power of satan...

Though he will continue to speak his lies to try to keep as many who do not believe from believing...


When you say, ¨angelic realm¨, please be clear on whose angels you are talking about

For your quote was referring to Ephesians 3, which speaks of satan´s and his angels as the powers and principalities of the air...
Here's something else to consider. God reveals his attributes against the backdrop of sin. Sin reveals his mercy, grace, righteousness, sovereignty, love, justice, wrath, and more as you meditate on it.
 

Lafftur

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This is the great answer I am looking for:



So, love is the source of all kind of lives in the universe and love is the eternal motivation of creations.
And so, to be a real and valuable human being is to love and to be loved. And that makes everything meaningful.

The very good thing is that we are equipped with the "capacity" to love and we are able to be free to choose love as you stated below:
He creates us in His image and gives us the “capacity” to love and gives us free will because love without a choice is manipulation, not love at all - just a bunch of robots.[/QUOTE]

And I feel love is so great that it is the eternal meaning of life, the existence of cosmos, the forever meaning of life and the future of our human beings.

And so I love you all and than you for your answers.:love:[/QUOTE]

Joe, have you received Yeshua/Jesus Christ as your Savior, Lord and King?
 

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There is a great controversy in heaven between God and a number of His Angels..

Lucifer was the leader of this opposition to God.. Lucifer /Satans claim was that God was not justified in being the one and only God of all existence and that He should be a God, the equal of God..

I believe God created the universe and us as a platform where satans claim to Godhood could be demonstrated as being false and wrong..

So God created the world and our first ancestors and as He said it was initially Good.. So what did satan do? He came down to sabotage Gods creation by enticing our ancestors to take for themselves the knowledge of good and evil and the enticement was ??? You guessed it that humans would be As God knowing good and evil.. Satan was telling them that the also could be Gods like God.. Well the humans fell for the deception of satan and decided to dis- believe Gods warning against doing such a thing..

I believe satan thought He had God defeated.. between a rock and a hard place.. doomed to lose no matter what God did.. God could have done 2 things at that time..

1) Destroyed the universe and humanity because they have been sabotaged and where no longer good.. God being good cannot allow evil to exist in eternity or else eternity will become contaminated with evil and thus will no longer be perfect..

2) God could have turned a blind eye to the evil and allowed the universe to continue..

I believe if God chose the number 1 option satan would then have turned around to the heavenly host and declared that God had Failed in his great creation and had to destroy it,, thus God cannot be justified as the perfect being and one and only God of all existence because of his creations failure

I believe if God chose option 2 then satan would have turned around to the heavenly host and accused God of being corrupt allowing evil to exist and be done and not judging it and putting an end to it and thus God was again unjustified in being the one and only God of all existence..

But i believe God in his Awesome wisdom and foreknowledge Knew exactly what satan was going to do to His creation and already have the solution to the sabotage.. In creating the universe and humanity and allowing satan to sabotage it He had given satan enough rope to hang himself.. God had the Way of salvation where the evil of men could be justly forgiven and the penalty of their evil could be paid in full by God himself suffering the death that was due upon all humanity.. So God already had a plan to Redeem His creation from the disastrous effects of what satan did to it..

So in the end God is praised and glorified by His wisdom and truth and satan is exposed as an evil transgressor who shall be cast into the eternal lake of fire along with all his rebel angels and all those people who have been allied with satan..
This is a quit interesting story and I really happy to read it. Yes, it is a wise decision of choice number 2 indeed. I agree that.

But, according to the story it seems there be a more complicated or higher layer (or earlier ) universers (or heaven, as you said) which already exists before our current universe were created, and all God and His angels stay there. And a controversy aroused.

And why the newly created human beings has to be a platform for the purpose of satan's demonstration?

It seems it is not a good reason for God to creat human beings by this way. We are perfect (at the first begining when we were created), which I believed, because we were created by God.

We are the great work of God and it is the greatest event when everything was created and we are full of great values and hopes. am i right?
 
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This is a quit interesting story and I really happy to read it. Yes, it is a wise decision of choice number 2 indeed. I agree that.

But, according to the story it seems there be a more complicated or higher layer (or earlier ) universers (or heaven, as you said) which already exists before our current universe were created, and all God and His angels stay there. And a controversy aroused.

And why the newly created human beings has to be a platform for the purpose of satan's demonstration?

It seems it is not a good reason for God to creat human beings by this way. We are perfect (at the first begining when we were created), which I believed, because we were created by God.

We are the great work of God and it is the greatest event when everything was created and we are full of great values and hopes. am i right?
Sentiment will lead astray. We can only answer our questions directly from Scripture.
 

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He creates us in His image and gives us the “capacity” to love and gives us free will because love without a choice is manipulation, not love at all - just a bunch of robots.
And I feel love is so great that it is the eternal meaning of life, the existence of cosmos, the forever meaning of life and the future of our human beings.

And so I love you all and than you for your answers.:love:[/QUOTE]

Joe, have you received Yeshua/Jesus Christ as your Savior, Lord and King?[/QUOTE]
Hi Lafftur,

No, I haven't. To be honest with you, I have too many questions confused me, but I eager to learn and to know. :p
 

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I have many questions to learn from all of you here. Please allow me to ask you all an other question if you don't mind.

Why God want (or need ) to create us (human beings) and why he Create us?

Obviously, it is clear that creating human beings along with the whole universe is a rather complicated hard work, why God spend his time to do the job? It maybe more easier and happier for him to spend his time to drink beer on sandbeach for himself, right? :)
God created man to rule over the material creation and to reflect his image in the created realm. He created man to worship, enjoy, and glorify him.

However, mankind sinned and no longer reflects God's image, except in a distorted manner.

God is in the process of redeeming his fallen creation. Jesus Christ and his substitutionary atonement was a first step in this redemption. The ultimate consummation will occur at his return, when the New Heavens and New Earth are established.

The New Heavens and New Earth are basically a glorified version of the Garden of Eden, only expanded to cover the entire creation. Those who are redeemed will exercise dominion along with, and being led by, their elder brother, Jesus Christ, who is the unique God-man who reverses the sin of Adam.

Be careful about free-willer explanations in this regard. They are invariably man-centered and not God-centered. Some of them even claim that God "needed" someone to love, and that is why he created man. This is ridiculous, as the Triune God is community within Himself, and multitudes of angels existed prior to man.

But, that's what you get from free-willer Sunday School teacher types :)

I recommend reading the Westminster Confession, and the Westminster Shorter and Longer Catechisms, in this regard. Evangelical Christianity has been severely dumbed-down by sensationalist, emotional Revivalists who focus on uncontrolled, frenzied behavior such as flopping around on the floor, blabbering in tongues, strutting about claiming to be prophets and apostles, etcetera. It is in a horrible mess, and a solid understanding of God's word has been thrown in the wastebasket in exchange for vapid emotionalism.

Note that I am not disrespecting honest expression of emotions in a well-ordered way, but this is not the norm nowadays. And, sermons nowadays are more like children's church, even in organizations that are a bit sounder.
 

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I should have said Westminster Larger Catechism.

https://www.apuritansmind.com/westminster-standards/larger-catechism/

Keach's Catechism is also good.

http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/keachcat.htm

Here's a sample:

Q. 1. Who is the first and best of beings?
A. God is the first and best of beings. (Isaiah 44:6; Psalm 8:1; 97:9)

Q. 2. What is the chief end of man?
A. Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever. (1 Cor. 10:31; Psalm 73:25-26)

Q. 3. How do we know there is a God?
A. The light of nature in man, and the works of God, plainly declare that there is a God; but His Word and Spirit only, do effectually reveal Him unto us for our salvation. (Rom. 1:18-20; Psalm 19:1,2; 2 Tim. 3:15; 1 Cor. 1:21-24; 1 Cor. 2:9,10)

Q. 4. What is the Word of God?
A. The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, being given by divine inspiration, are the Word of God, the only infallible rule of faith and practice. (2 Peter 1:21; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; Isaiah 8:20)

Q. 5. How do we know that the Bible is the Word of God?
A. The Bible evidences itself to be God's Word by the heavenliness of its doctrine, the unity of its parts, its power to convert sinners and to edify saints; but the Spirit of God only, bearing witness by and with the Scriptures in our hearts, is able fully to persuade us that the Bible is the Word of God. (1 Cor. 2:6,7,13; Ps. 119:18, 129; Acts 10:43, 26:22; Acts 18:28; Heb 4:12; Ps. 19:7-9; Rom. 15:4; John 16:13,14; 1 John 2:20-27; 2 Cor. 3:14-17)

Q. 6. May all men make use of the Scriptures?
A. All men are not only permitted, but commanded and exhorted, to read, hear, and understand the Scriptures. (John 5:39; Luke 16:29; Acts 8:28-30; 17:11)

Q. 7. What do the Scriptures principally teach?
A. The Scriptures principally teach what man is to believe concerning God and what duty God requires of man. (2 Tim. 3:16,17; John 20:31; Acts 24:14; 1 Cor. 10:11; Eccles. 12:13)

Q. 8. What is God?
A. God is a Spirit, infinite, eternal, and unchangeable in His being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness and truth. (John 4:24; Ps. 147:5; Ps. 90:2; James 1:17; Rev. 4:8; Ps. 89:14; Exod. 34:6,7; 1 Tim. 1:17)

Q. 9. Are there more gods than one?
A. There is but one only, the living and true God. (Deut. 6:4; Jeremiah 10:10)

Q. 10. How many persons are there in the Godhead?
A. There are three persons in the Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one God, the same in essence, equal in power and glory. (1 Cor. 8:6; John 10:30; John 14:9; Acts 5:3,4; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14)

Q. 11. What are the decrees of God?
A. The decrees of God are His eternal purpose, according to the counsel of His will, whereby for His own glory, He has fore-ordained whatsoever comes to pass (Eph. 1:11; Rom. 11:36; Dan. 4:35)

Q. 12. How does God execute His decrees?
A. God executes His decrees in the works of creation and providence. (Gen. 1:1; Rev. 4:11; Matt. 6:26; Acts 14:17)

Q. 13. What is the work of creation?
A. The work of creation is God's making all things of nothing, by the Word of His power, in the space of six days, and all very good. (Gen. 1:1; Heb. 11:3; Ex. 20:11; Gen. 1:31)

Q. 14. How did God create man?
A. God created man male and female, after His own image, in knowledge, righteousness, and holiness, with dominion over the creatures. (Gen. 1:27; Col. 3:10; Eph. 4:24; Gen. 1:28)

Q. 15. What are God's works of providence?
A. God's works of providence are His most holy, wise, and powerful preserving and governing all His creatures, and all their actions. (Neh. 9:6; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3; Ps. 103:19; Matt. 10:29,30)

Q. 16. What special act of providence did God exercise towards man, in the estate wherein he was created?
A. When God had created man, He entered into a covenant of works with him, upon condition of perfect obedience, forbidding him to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, upon pain of death. (Gen. 2:16,17; Gal. 3:12; Rom. 5:12)

Q. 17. Did our first parents continue in the estate wherein they were created?
A. Our first parents, being left to the freedom of their own will, fell from the estate wherein they were created, by sinning against God. (Gen. 3:6; Eccles. 7:29; Rom. 5:12)

Q. 18. What is sin?
A. Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of God. (1 John 3:4; Rom. 5:13)

Q. 19. What was the sin whereby our first parents fell from the estate wherein they were created?
A. The sin whereby our first parents fell from the estate wherein they were created, was their eating the forbidden fruit. (Gen. 3:6,12,13)

Q. 20. Did all mankind fall in Adam's first transgression?
A. The covenant being made with Adam, not only for himself but for his posterity, all mankind, descending from him by ordinary generation, sinned in him, and fell with him in his first transgression. (1 Cor. 15:21,22; Rom. 5:12,18,19)

Q. 21. Into what estate did the fall bring mankind?
A. The fall brought mankind into an estate of sin and misery. (Ps. 51:5; Rom. 5:18,19: Is. 64:6)

By the way, I am encouraged that many Reformed children know more about the Bible than older, non-Reformed adults. They may not totally understand it, but the wood is there for the Holy Spirit to ignite at the appropriate time. Sadly, though "Revivalist" types have ridiculed creeds and confessions which would explain these basic facts for people who are seeking.
 

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Here's a good video pointing to these facts that I have presented:


I did not base my remarks on this video, but a friend of mine mentioned that it aligns to my words.

I am disgusted by the modern Christian disgust for creeds, confessions and catechisms.

I had to learn these things by myself because I attended ignorant churches and cults as a young believer.

And, I really don't care about the charismatics and free-willers who don't like creeds, confessions and catechisms. Let them remain in their ignorant and weak traditions.
 

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And I feel love is so great that it is the eternal meaning of life, the existence of cosmos, the forever meaning of life and the future of our human beings.

And so I love you all and than you for your answers.:love:
Joe, have you received Yeshua/Jesus Christ as your Savior, Lord and King?[/QUOTE]
Hi Lafftur,

No, I haven't. To be honest with you, I have too many questions confused me, but I eager to learn and to know. :p[/QUOTE]

I agree with you that Love is so great and is the eternal meaning of life, the existence of cosmos, the forever meaning of life and the future of our human beings.

To truly embrace and know this Love which is God because God is Love, we have to let God get rid of the sin in our life that separates us from having a relationship with Him. Our sin does not cause God to not love us anymore, if this was true then the scripture that says, "...while we were sinners, Christ died for us" would not be true.

God has and will always love us and we can even choose to love Him, but there can be NO INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP with God until our sin is taken away from us by the Blood of Yeshua/Jesus Christ and we receive the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus by receiving the Body of Yeshua/Jesus Christ.

We MUST receive Yeshua/Jesus as our Savior, Lord and King, if not we stay separated from God and die in our sins and will perish in the Lake of Fire.

I can know that God does exist and I can choose to love Him, but I can NEVER know Him personally unless I receive His forgiveness and removal of all my sins and receive His righteousness both of which God has provided for those that love Him in His Son - Yeshua/Jesus Christ, He is the ONLY SAVIOR given to us (humans).

If I reject Yeshua/Jesus Christ and think I do not need Him, I can still believe God exists and I can still love Him, but I can NEVER know Him. I will end up worshiping and loving "creation" as God, instead of the True God - "The Creator of creation."

We are NOT to worship the "works of God's Hands," we are to worship GOD.

If you would like to receive Yeshua/Jesus Christ as your Savior, Lord and King and believe will all your heart that....

John 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world (Joe) that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

because....

Romans 10:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.



then, your simple prayer to God of faith in Christ Jesus will save you and take away the sin in you that separates you from knowing God personally. Simply pray,

"Heavenly Father,

I am a sinner, yet You love me and I love You and want a relationship with You, I receive Your Son as Your Gift of Salvation for me, I receive His Blood that takes my sin away from me and I receive His Body that gives me Your Gift of Righteousness so that I can know You, love You and fellowship with You.

Lord Jesus, I receive You as my Savior, Lord and King. Thank You for Your Blood and Body, thank You for washing all my sins away with Your Blood.

Father, Lord Jesus, seal me with Your Holy Spirit, baptize and fill me with Your Holy Spirit so that I can know and feel Your Presence with me on the Earth now and so that Your Holy Spirit will teach me, guide me, counsel me, comfort me, instruct me, and correct me.

Thank You, God! Thank You, God, I love You, in the Name of Jesus, I pray, amen."

If you prayed that prayer with all your heart, then you have passed from death to life and are loved and accepted in the Beloved - Welcome to the Family of God, Joe. :love:(y)

Get a Bible, read it, study it, meditate on it day and night, ask the Holy Spirit to teach you, to give you understanding and empower you to live this new life in Christ Jesus. :love:(y)

Be water baptized, I recommend you find a spirit-filled non-denominational church to grow and fellowship with other believers. However, the Lord will lead you to a good church. He's a good Shepherd.
 

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This is a quit interesting story and I really happy to read it. Yes, it is a wise decision of choice number 2 indeed. I agree that.

But, according to the story it seems there be a more complicated or higher layer (or earlier ) universers (or heaven, as you said) which already exists before our current universe were created, and all God and His angels stay there. And a controversy aroused.

And why the newly created human beings has to be a platform for the purpose of satan's demonstration?

It seems it is not a good reason for God to creat human beings by this way. We are perfect (at the first begining when we were created), which I believed, because we were created by God.

We are the great work of God and it is the greatest event when everything was created and we are full of great values and hopes. am i right?
We where Good as we where when we where first made.. But we where sabotarged by satan.. So we became less then Good and today only God is Good..

It wil be a great event when we are redeemed and transformed into the greater beings God will turn us into on the day of the rasurection of the dead..
 

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We were created by God to have fellowship with Him - a relationship, intimate loving fellowship - receiving and giving love - but love comes with a price.... love has to have a choice or it is NOT love.

Well, we made a bad choice and sin entered the world and separated us from God, but God is the God of "second chances"!

God offers us a second chance to choose to love Him, He offers us Life with Him or Death without Him.

Deuteronomy 30:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

God's Will is that we would choose Life which is filled with blessings. He wants us to be with Him now on the Earth and in all eternity. God loves us!

Our sin separates us from God. He could have just annihilated us, but instead He chose to save us. He chose to give us Life, not Death. Now, God wants us to also choose Life, not Death.

On purpose, God gave us a choice because He doesn't want robots, He wants us to choose to love Him, to choose to know Him, to choose to be with Him. We don't have to wait till we die and go to heaven to be with God, we can be with Him now, on the Earth.

Yeshua/Jesus had to come to take away our sin so that we could receive the Gift of Eternal Life and be reconciled to the Father just because He loves us and wants to enjoy fellowship with us now on the Earth and in eternity.

By receiving the Body of Yeshua/Jesus, we receive the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.
By receiving the Blood of Yeshua/Jesus, we receive total forgiveness and penalty paid in full for all our sins.


The Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus is the Human Fulfillment of the Law of Moses. While on the Earth, Yeshua/Jesus fulfilled all of the Human Law of Moses in His Body - every good work and obedience to the Law of Moses was recorded and fulfilled in the Body of Yeshua/Jesus, as well as all that the Prophets had written about Him.

On the Mount of Transfiguration Yeshua/Jesus was examined by Moses and Elijah - the Law and the Prophets. He was transfigured because He passed His examination - He had fulfilled all the "works" of righteousness for us.

Now, He was ready to go to the Cross where He would pour out His Blood and give His Life for us so that we would be able to choose Life. His Blood was examined and accepted by the Father. We know this because He rose from the dead, alive forevermore - the firstborn of many brethren. Yeshua/Jesus Christ offers us His Body and Blood, He offers us Life, if we reject Christ, then we have chosen Death.

Yeshua/Jesus Christ is the ONLY SAVIOR for us, there is NO OTHER. Don't play with or gamble the Gift of Eternal Life that the Father offers you. Death is real. There is a Lake of Fire that awaits those that choose the path of Death, by rejecting Yeshua/Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.

After we make our decision with ALL our heart and choose Life by receiving Yeshua/Jesus as our Lord and Savior, we are "sealed" with the Holy Spirit immediately and marked as God's possession.

However, the "baptism" and "continually being filled" with the Holy Spirit is a Gift from the Father - just as He gave us the Gift of His Son - He gives us the Gift of the Holy Spirit which empowers us to live this new life in Christ that has been given us.

After we are "sealed" with the Holy Spirit, God wants to "baptize" us with the Holy Spirit. Our body is to be the Temple of the Holy Spirit - to be indwelt with the Holy Spirit. This is Emanuel - God with us on the Earth.

The "baptism" with the Holy Spirit is when God first fills you with His Holy Spirit. To help understand this, Solomon built the first Temple in Jerusalem and after the priests had placed the Ark in the Holy of Holies and left the temple, the Glory Cloud (Holy Spirit) filled the temple.

1 Kings 8:10-11 New International Version (NIV)
10 When the priests withdrew from the Holy Place, the cloud filled the temple of the Lord. 11 And the priests could not perform their service because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled his temple.

The same happens to us - it's phenomenal! Absolutely a joyous time! You'll know when it happens.

After we are saved with the Body and Blood of Yeshua/Jesus, sealed with the Holy Spirit and baptized in water.......

How do we get baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit?

Simply ask the Father and the Lord Yeshua/Jesus Christ, "Father, Lord Jesus, I receive Your Gift of the Holy Spirit, baptize and fill me. Indwell me with Your Holy Spirit, I want to live with You on the Earth now and for all eternity. I choose Life. Your Gift of Eternal Life in me. Thank You, Father, in the Name of Yeshua/Jesus, amen."

The Holy Spirit dwells within us and with us on the Earth - just as Yeshua/Jesus was with His disciples on the Earth. The Holy Spirit will teach us, guide us, counsel us, comfort us, instruct us, correct us, empower us to be an effective witness of Yeshua/Jesus, and always be with us.

After the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit, the scriptures open up so beautifully to us and the things of God begin to make sense, we receive understanding and our love for God and His Ways increases tremendously.

However, loving God is ALWAYS a choice. He never takes the "choice" away from us. Every day if we do not choose God, then our flesh gets stronger and we backslide. It's very important to stay "filled" with the Holy Spirit. We do this by reading and meditating on God's Word, praying, singing songs in our hearts to God, fellow-shipping with other believers, etc.

Our flesh grieves the Holy Spirit. We need to learn to walk by the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. It's a choice..... just keep choosing Life! :love:(y)
So if the Scriptures start to make sense to the believers. What is it that Romans 9 is trying to convey to us regarding predestination and if it really is about a 'choice' , then why is there an election.
 
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1Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

Jeremiah 23:1 Wow be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the Lord.

2Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses,the same commit thou to faithful men,who shall be able to teach others also.