Why Joseph Prince is a Cancerous Growth within God's People

followjesus · Jun 4, 2016

Paul also, as the entire new testament teaches taught that the commandments are what matters.

Paul 1 Corinthians 7:19 " neither circumcision or uncircumcision matters, keeping Gods commandments is what counts"

1 john 2:3 " we know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands, the man who says " I know him" but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
1john5:2-3

1 peter 1:14-15, 3:10-12, 4:17-19

James 1:22-25.

Revelation 12:17, revelation 14:12

and of Coarse Jesus John 14:15" If you love me, you will obey what I command."

and God who is unchangeable Deuteronomy 28:2 " All the blessings will come upon you and accompany you if you obey the Lord your God"

The new grace teachings are false because they do not teach obedience to Gods commands, Grace is given for the power to obey God. Before Grace came we were unable, Now that Grace has come, Obedience is a gift through that Grace in which we stand. we no longer have the excuse " were just sinners, saved by grace" a person in the grace provided By God through Jesus Christ will have a heart that rejoices in obedience and will teach obedience as the Lord commanded from the beginning. your right, grace isn't a new thing, the mis teaching of what Grace is, is new and false. shouting "grace, grace" will do nothing, But following the Lord Gods commandments is everything that matters.

ecclesiastes 12:13-14 " Now all has been heard, here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgement, incuding every hidden thing, whether good or evil"

titus 2:11-12 " For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. it teaches us to say no to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self controlled, upright and godly lives."

Grace is for the sole purpose of giving a believer the power through His holy spirit to live upright and righteous lives in Christ. to teach grace as what we trust in, what we hope in is not right. We Hope and trust and stand in Jesus, By the will of God. Jesus is more than grace as it is taught. grace mistaught and neglecting obedience is destructive to Christians, it breeds lack of diligence, turns eyes and hearts away from Gods commandments, which are life for His people. the phrase "grace, grace" will save no one, standing in the true Grace of God will save everyone. the misteaching of Grace is the issue, not jp, joel osteen, or any other person. the doctrine of Grace alone is false and destructive. Grace makes us able where we were not. it changes garments from crimson to white. Hearts from corrupt to pure and faultless.

Paul taught obedience, repentance, holiness through the Grace of God, He did not teach grace only, He taught Grace through Jesus Christ, who is the righteousness of God for all who believe in Him and keep His commandments. Grace is supply for obedience to God. Obedience to God is blessing and freedom. Without the commandments grace is a five letter word. True grace is great, false grace is destructive

RobbyEarl · Jun 4, 2016

Do y'all think that God and Jesus are going to send people to hell? If so why? How is He righteous for doing so? God is long suffering and slow to anger and full of grace. But, will He send people to burn in an eternal flame where their worm does not die?

know1 · Jun 4, 2016

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If you have the answers, then you tell me.
But if you don't, and I'm not trying to be mean, then try listening.
I would hardly call what I believe, "Modern...", but frankly, I could care less what lables anyone puts on me or my doctrines.
And regardless of that, to me the important thing to finding and receiving truths, is to seek God with a pure heart, desiring to know without holding on to your babies and biases. (babies- that which you hold dear to you, such as OSAS)
God is indeed sovereign, but He also watches over and hastens to perform His word.
And because of that, He has to do what He said He would do. If He doesn't, then He lied. And God CANNOT lie.
And because of that, Paul calls it a law, such as the law of faith or life in Christ Jesus.
A law works the same way every time, without fail. And it never fails to work as it was designed.
If it did, then it would cease to be a law.
And God is the one who uphold ALL things. That would include ALL laws, both physical and spiritual.
For example, in Mk 11:23, the word of God says (paraphrasing), 'that whosoever shall say or speak to whatsoever, and believe in their heart that what they have said shall come to pass without any doubt, they shall have whatsoever they said'.
That is what is written, and that is what will be done, for it is the will of God.
The problem is that it can be for both good or bad, for blessing or cursing.
Even as He said, "Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and they... shall eat the fruit thereof."
Whose tongue is it that God says has the power of both death and life?
That would be our tongue.
Where is God's will in that which proceeds out of our mouths.
His will is to create the fruit of our lips. His will is that a man shall eat the fruit of his mouth and his belly shall be filled with that fruit with the increase of his lips.
Did God say that His people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge and vision, for nothing. Can't He do anything about what happens to us? If He can, then why doesn't He? And why tell us that a lack of knowledge is why we are destroyed?
We not only reap what we sow by our doing, which God upholds, but equally by our saying or speaking.
Even as a good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth or causes that which he said or spoke, to manifest itself in the natural, so in like manner, an evil or corrupt man, having deposited evil or corrupt things or treasure in his heart, such as thinking that the WOF is a lie and of the devil, causes evil, bad, or corrupt things that he said or spoke to manifest itself in the natural as well.
This applies to not only the unbelievers, but the believers as well.
What do most people say when they start feeling symptoms of a cold or flu coming on them? They say, "I have the cold or I have the flu". They just agreed with the devil, and accepted the cursed for themselves.
For, out of the abundance of his heart, which is where the forces of life flow from, his mouth speaks.
So in light of that, I say that many have spoken to their own hurt and to that of their loved ones.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Whose choice is it to receive life or death, blessing or cursing?
Isn't it God's will for them to have life, and that's why He told them to choose life?
Then why is the outcome dependent on what we choose to say and do?
Is it going to be any different for us, seeing God is no respecter of persons?
I could go on as to say why, on most accounts, we are to blame for what happens to ourselves and loved ones later in our lives.
When we were younger, not so much us, but God still visits the sins of the fathers on the children as He did back then. He doesn't change.
There are many factors involved in such things, aside from the ones I mentioned, but at the very least, we should search our hearts to see if there is any fault in us and look to God and Jesus, His Word, for deliverance.

UnderGrace · Jun 4, 2016

And what exactly are we to obey and what are these commands that He has left us to fulfill?

If you are saying Grace is the ability to now fulfill the works of the law, then you nullify the work of the cross.
Grace is not a special separate power now available to live your life righteously, it is however, the ability to abide in the finished work of Jesus, His righteousness is our righteousness, we are in Him and He in us by His grace.
Yes repentance is the changing of our minds to the new platform in Jesus. There is no false grace there are only those who have not come to understand the gospel of grace that Paul preached.
Romans 5:1-2 KJV
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Grace is where we stand. We are commanded to live in His liberty. This is what we obey … the liberty He has won for us. This is what Paul preached. In His Liberty we are dead to sin.
Grace and peace,
Angela

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jun 4, 2016

UnderGrace said:

And what exactly are we to obey and what are these commands that He has left us to fulfill?

If you are saying Grace is the ability to now fulfill the works of the law, then you nullify the work of the cross.
Grace is not a special separate power now available to live your life righteously, it is however, the ability to abide in the finished work of Jesus, His righteousness is our righteousness, we are in Him and He in us by His grace.
Yes repentance is the changing of our minds to the new platform in Jesus. There is no false grace there are only those who have not come to understand the gospel of grace that Paul preached.

Try Matthew 5-7 for starters.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 4, 2016

crossnote said:

This saddens me, Especially coming from a good brother.. Your saddened because of what someone else said a person believes, and you take that as truth? where is the proof that the one being slandered even said the things this person claims?

I could see it if you quoted Prince himself saying this, But to take another mans word, as spiritual truth?

That would make us no different than the people slandering us..

49 · Jun 4, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

That's what The Bible says. Good enough for me.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 4, 2016

There is not a preacher on earth we are going to agree 100% with. Sadly I think if we find one, We should look inside, and see if we are a follower of a man, and not the word..

know1 · Jun 4, 2016

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Ma'am, I have a great deal of scriptural evidence, but to them who refuse to even look, trying to show them would be more of a wasted of my time.
If you are okay with keeping whatever it is that ails you, that you failed to get healed of, then, more power to you.
I was one step above your being "pretty sure" kind of believing, and I failed to receive as well.
A while back, I was sure I had something, before it manifested, and I thought I had really believed. It was only after it failed to manifest itself, that it was revealed to me that I did not truly believe in my heart. Though at first I thought I was believing, but I saw after, that the faith wasn't really there. I proved that, when I was too afraid to act on that belief. Without corresponding action to that which you believe, God says your faith is dead. He also said to such a person, "let not that man think that he shall receive ANYTHING of the lord, a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.
That definitely came to pass in my life at that moment.
Like I said before, I've been on both sides of the faith fence, and I know what works and what doesn't. And every time I knew in my heart without any doubt, I always received, without fail.
But if I had even the slightest doubt or even the smallest question or wonderment, I would end up with nothing.That too happened on a consistent basis.
If this works for my family and I, and as many as believe, and fails to word for as many as doubt, then you are not so special that it's going to work any different for you.
Would it matter if you believed God doesn't exist?
Would it prevent God from existing?
Neither will the laws God has written change because you refuse to believe them.
The fact remains that you use words of faith all the time without realizing it, both for and against yourself.
It is how you came to receive Christ as your lord and savior.
You had to act on the gospel before you were born again. God didn't do that just because He loved you. He moved when you moved in faith, and not a moment before.
Healing is the same way. Most just don't know that.

seed_time_harvest · Jun 4, 2016

Most believe that a body was prepared for JESUS and sin was punished,satisfying a holy GOD, JESUS had to shed HIS blood making atonement once for all and forever,

But the same people that believe what I just said,will also believe that we have to confess our sins more than once to be forgiven.

I do believe In saying I'm sorry GOD,but not as some sort of spiritual requirement that I need to fulfill everytime I sin.

I believe when GOD forgave me,It only took once,and I believe I was forgiven.Now I'm no longer feeling condemnation,but transforming my mind to be conscious of my right standing before GOD.

UnderGrace · Jun 4, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

How about we go right to the end of the discourse so we see it context of everything Jesus taught.......

Matthew 48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

You tell me when you are able to reach this impossibility?
When you accept that not one of us can reach this bar of perfection that Jesus has set, maybe then, you will understand what Jesus was truly teaching.

I do not need to try anything... because it is not my effort that matters....it is what Jesus accomplished that matters.

Under His Glorious Grace
A.

Gr8grace · Jun 4, 2016

Does anybody realize that a HYPER- CALVINIST started this thread? I don't know if it is just me, but I REMEMBER what others have posted on other threads and have a pretty good Idea of what people believe that post a lot on this forum.

Joseph Prince is a God send compared to a HYPER- CALVINIST that can't even get the Gospel right.

Calvinism and Lordship salvation and loss of salvation is THE false teaching that will catch believers. At least JP teaches grace and just believe for a mans salvation.

Calvinism and "we can't even believe on our own!" is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY worse than JP.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jun 4, 2016

UnderGrace said:

That word means complete, blameless. It doesn't mean flawless, sinless. When we stumble and fail we repent, get cleansed and keep going. What you are describing is a passive, do nothing faith. I seriously doubt that kind of faith will save anyone.

ember · Jun 4, 2016

I wanna go back to Sunday School when everyone understood all about Jesus and why He died and what we had to do to be saved

I learned how Jesus died for my sins and how the grace of God provided that sacrifice on my behalf. I learned that all my righteousness is as filthy rags and that there was nothing I could do to provide my own salvation.

now I have just been introduced to another new term...new grace..could be related to hyper-grace but without as much muscle

so, grace is no longer available as grace and the Holy Spirit can no longer operate without the power of a human being supplied by grace to allow the Holy Spirit to give a believer power to live an upright and righteous life

and, we now trust IN grace rather than in Jesus so that what we hope in is not right

I'm only repeating what I just read and that is only a tiny bit of how things have apparently changed while I was off somewhere abiding in Christ and trusting God and believing Jesus died for me and His righteousness was mine in Him and the Holy Spirit enabled me to live for God and be empowered to live the life I cannot live on my own

so this new poster comes on here and in post 16...his post not the post in this thread...tells us we are all wrong and new grace is wrong...forget hyper...it's new grace

who and what is teaching these people and why is there suddenly this influx of folks who suddenly appear in almost every thread...ignore the op...and begin a new topic on, and I quote: the entire new testament teaches taught that the commandments are what matters.

I did not know that. I have just become aware of something else, I highlighted the above red text to copy/paste and when I inserted it into this post, you can see a pale gray background which has continued on into my own typing. This background indicates a copy/post from another site

ember · Jun 4, 2016

right...because that worked so easy the first time

and you were worried about Joseph Prince

does anyone here actually think it is ok to continue a life of sin? if not, why do these new people keep saying we do?

I don't believe we have the option of discussion with them either...indoctrination would actually be the target IMO

crossnote · Jun 4, 2016

JGIG said:

Luther dedicated himself to the Augustinian order, devoting himself to fasting, long hours in prayer, pilgrimage, and frequent confession.[SUP][21][/SUP] Luther described this period of his life as one of deep spiritual despair. He said, "I lost touch with Christ the Savior and Comforter, and made of him the jailer and hangman of my poor soul."[SUP][22][/SUP]Johann von Staupitz, his superior, pointed Luther's mind away from continual reflection upon his sins toward the merits of Christ. He taught that true repentance does not involve self-inflicted penances and punishments but rather a change of heart.[SUP][23] (source)[/SUP]

Luther's journey was a long and varied one . . . indeed he brought truth of Grace back into the Body of Christ to a degree. Like any other man, however, he had flaws in his belief system and did have some outright error in what he taught and thought. Anyone who studies Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Tyndale . . . all played parts in the Body . . . not one was perfect, and at least one became a murderous tyrant, more tied to his theology than to his Savior.

Yet God used them anyway.

Too bad some cannot see the same about Prince.

-JGIG

I think some have pointed out flaws of Prince but others are going to defend him at all costs.

ericahasfaith111 · Jun 4, 2016

he's so overbearing but he needs to advance more because I get overwhelmed

crossnote · Jun 4, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

I said the Princetonian MOVEMENT, not Prince himself. I have personally gone round and round with some here who identify with Prince and would argue we are not to ask for forgiveness for our sins.
Their 'logic' is that we have already had our sins forgiven...true, but God's Word reveals great men like David asking for forgiveness.

UnderGrace · Jun 4, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Blameless, complete …love these words!

Jesus tells us to be blameless/complete like His Father in Heaven. Still an impossible feat….we can never be blameless by our own volition. Jesus is calling us in this discourse to recognize how we utterly fail to meet his Holy standard. It is not about a cycle of repentance and cleansing, there is only ONE new birth in Jesus. You are saved by grace through faith by believing in the finished work of the cross won for you while you were still a sinner.

There is nothing passive in this faith, this is the only faith that pleases God and bears the fruit that pleases Him.

When we are in Him by being born again then we are complete and blameless because of what He accomplished on the cross. The faith that works justifies us before men (James 2) not before God, for God we are justified by faith through grace in Christ alone.

Angela

crossnote · Jun 4, 2016

UnderGrace said:

For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
(Tit 2:11-13)

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