Why the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not for Today
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Being "sent" by God is the "one" credential for being an apostle. If a person has a desire to share the gospel and they do .That defines the word apostle. There are many apostles that visit this forum and share prophecy..
Many add new meaning to that word and destroy the foundation . the Old testament saint were sent as prophets declaring the word.
Adding new meaning to a word can change the intent of the author. The Spirit of Christ I believe protects the integrity of His word .
Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,(singular) that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 4:1-2
God is still sending people to hear the gospel . . . as the two witnesses of God . . . .All things written in the law and the prophets .(sola scriptura)
Those who follow after the commandments of men as a law of the fathers. Also called the oral tradition of men. They tried to kill the two prophets by silencing the gospel . But they knew they would be shooting their own feet making them the lame as false sent ones. (apostles)
Sola scriptura performed its work and turned those who served a law of men (law of the fathers) They walked away in unbelief, no faith as it is written
For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. (law of men) Acts 24:5-6
Paul went from a false apostle to one true by the finger of faith putting a little light on the gospel road.
Previously as Saul and the law of the fathers it as a pagan foundation moved men to kill the Christians. It turned the inspiration standpoint upside down taking away the inspiration from above and gave it to the earthy fathers as oral traditon of men .
Paul as a true sent one worshipped the God of the fathers .Unlike before he worshiped the fathers as God . . . our father in heaven .
Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they "call heresy", so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Acts 24:13-14
Jesus called that idea of worshipping/ venerating those who lord it over another person's belief / faith. One of the "think not" doctrines. Like. . . Don't give a it a thought .God is not a man as us.
Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Many add new meaning to that word and destroy the foundation . the Old testament saint were sent as prophets declaring the word.
Adding new meaning to a word can change the intent of the author. The Spirit of Christ I believe protects the integrity of His word .
Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,(singular) that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 4:1-2
God is still sending people to hear the gospel . . . as the two witnesses of God . . . .All things written in the law and the prophets .(sola scriptura)
Those who follow after the commandments of men as a law of the fathers. Also called the oral tradition of men. They tried to kill the two prophets by silencing the gospel . But they knew they would be shooting their own feet making them the lame as false sent ones. (apostles)
Sola scriptura performed its work and turned those who served a law of men (law of the fathers) They walked away in unbelief, no faith as it is written
For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. (law of men) Acts 24:5-6
Paul went from a false apostle to one true by the finger of faith putting a little light on the gospel road.
Previously as Saul and the law of the fathers it as a pagan foundation moved men to kill the Christians. It turned the inspiration standpoint upside down taking away the inspiration from above and gave it to the earthy fathers as oral traditon of men .
Paul as a true sent one worshipped the God of the fathers .Unlike before he worshiped the fathers as God . . . our father in heaven .
Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they "call heresy", so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Acts 24:13-14
Jesus called that idea of worshipping/ venerating those who lord it over another person's belief / faith. One of the "think not" doctrines. Like. . . Don't give a it a thought .God is not a man as us.
Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
“How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?” Hebrews 2:3–4 (KJV 1900)
You have not defined the word apostle .So how can we discus its usage ?
What's the question? Do we make the apostles into gods in the likeness of men? Or follow the example of the sent ones. Cry out blasphemy?
Its the unseen work of the gospel we walk by faith the eternal not seen not by looking at the corrupted flesh as those who do eulogize it for self edification, a lying wonderment . .
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, Acts 14:7-14
What's the question? Do we make the apostles into gods in the likeness of men? Or follow the example of the sent ones. Cry out blasphemy?
Its the unseen work of the gospel we walk by faith the eternal not seen not by looking at the corrupted flesh as those who do eulogize it for self edification, a lying wonderment . .
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, Acts 14:7-14
APOSTLE. An apostle in the NT is an envoy, an ambassador, or a missionary. In the NT the term “apostle” is applied to one who carries the message of the gospel.
A. Definition and Origin
B. Apostles as Missionaries
C. Jesus’ Disciples as Apostles
D. Paul as Apostle of the Gentiles
E. False Apostles
F. Christ as Apostle
A. Definition and Origin
The early Christian title of apostle, although well attested in the NT and other early Christian sources, presents a number of still unresolved problems. The noun “apostle” (apostolos) is originally an adjective derived from the verb apostellō (“send”), found in the NT with a considerable range of meanings. The basic concept is that of the sending of messengers or envoys; an apostle can also be called angelos (“messenger,” e.g., Luke 7:24; 9:52) or kērux (“herald,” e.g., 1 Tim 2:7, 2 Tim 1:11; cf. Mark 1:45; 2 Cor 5:20). Apostles can be human or divine, sent by human or divine authorities.
The original adjective apostolos is attested only infrequently in Greek literature, referring to an envoy or a bearer of a message in a general sense (e.g., Herodotus 1.21; Plato, Ep. 7.346a). This technical meaning conforms to the Aramaic selı̂aḥ (Ezra 7:14; Dan 5:24; cf. 2 Chr 17:7–9; for references and bibliography, see Spicq, 1982). In the Hellenistic era, the concept of the divine envoy was applied by Epictetus to the ideal cynic (Diss. 3.22.3; 4.8.31), but the term apostolos does not occur. Christianity, therefore, appears to have picked a secular term and made it into a specific office and title.
In addition to evidencing a bewildering range of applications of the title of apostle, the NT and the early patristic literature also attempt to define it. Since scholarship is still divided on many of the questions, the following definitions must be seen as part of the argument and not as final answers.
The basic definition given by Origen (Jo. 32.17, ed. Preuschen 1903: 453, line 17) is simple: “Everyone who is sent by someone is an apostle of the one who sent him.” The concept involves legal and administrative aspects and is basic to all types of representatives, envoys, and ambassadors. In the area of Christian religion, the term “apostle” can refer to a messenger, human or divine, sent by God or Christ to reveal messages or to reveal the message of the gospel. Origen’s definition, although later, is grounded in the NT itself; e.g., John 13:16: “Truly, truly I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than the one who sent him” (cf. also Matt 10:40–42; Gal 4:14). More specific is the definition given in Acts 1:21–22, according to which an apostle must be “one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us …” Paul mentions (2 Cor 12:12; cf. Rom 15:19; Acts 5:12) the practice of the apostle legitimating himself by “the signs of the apostle” (ta sēmeia tou apostolou): i.e., “by signs and miracles and wondrous deeds.” In the Petrine traditions, the task of the apostle is seen as transmitting the words of the prophets and of Jesus to the church (2 Pet 3:2; cf. the prophetic function of the apostles in Jude 17). Paul did not conform to any of these definitions, a fact that explains his position as an outsider and the difficulties he had obtaining recognition.
Betz, H. D. (1992). Apostle. In D. N. Freedman (Ed.), The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (Vol. 1, p. 309). New York: Doubleday.
Not all word in revelation are symbol
Example rev1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
The word Jesus Christ in this. verse is not a symbol
The word of God symbol of what.
How about the word angel is It a symbol?
Example rev1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
The word Jesus Christ in this. verse is not a symbol
The word of God symbol of what.
How about the word angel is It a symbol?
I have read lists of references to quotes that show speaking in tongues showing up at least sporadically throughout church history. Around 200, Irenaeus listed it among manifestations that occurred among the brethren in his day along with healing, prophesying, etc.
If you are Eastern Orthodox, I am surprised that you would say that any of these gifts ceased. Usually the comments on this topic I have encountered are that the gifts belong to the church or that some monks and holy saints experience such things.
Read Irenaeus for an example. Eusebius quotes him.
The Spirit and the Church: Antiquity by Burgess contains a number of quotes from the so-called 'church fathers.'
Like I said earlier, Warfield, who wrote his unbiblically-supported theory, at least knew he had to wrestle with the fact that Irenaeus contradicted his theory. A cessionist author in the 1800's asserted that there was no evidence for some of these gifts after the apostles, and many cessationist authors who did not bother to do the research repeated him.
There is also a book, a master's thesis, from the 1800's called __The Supressed Evidence__ that was available on Google Books the last I checked. I think it was a free read, too. Most of it is in English. If your French, Dutch, and Latin is up to par, you can read all the quotes, too.
I haven't gotten around to reading _Miracles_ yet by Keener, who wrote against Hume's thesis that miracles aren't real because they do not conform to human experience by citing numerous accounts of miracles throughout the ages and various accounts of contemporary miracles.
But it seems like you are basing doctrine on experience, or a lack thereof.
The Spirit and the Church: Antiquity by Burgess contains a number of quotes from the so-called 'church fathers.'
Like I said earlier, Warfield, who wrote his unbiblically-supported theory, at least knew he had to wrestle with the fact that Irenaeus contradicted his theory. A cessionist author in the 1800's asserted that there was no evidence for some of these gifts after the apostles, and many cessationist authors who did not bother to do the research repeated him.
There is also a book, a master's thesis, from the 1800's called __The Supressed Evidence__ that was available on Google Books the last I checked. I think it was a free read, too. Most of it is in English. If your French, Dutch, and Latin is up to par, you can read all the quotes, too.
I haven't gotten around to reading _Miracles_ yet by Keener, who wrote against Hume's thesis that miracles aren't real because they do not conform to human experience by citing numerous accounts of miracles throughout the ages and various accounts of contemporary miracles.
But it seems like you are basing doctrine on experience, or a lack thereof.
The Acts 1 requirements were to replace Judas, and the term 'apostle' was applied a bit more broadly, since it applies to Paul, who did not meet the requirements. We also see it used in reference to Barnabas, Silas, and Timothy, we do not know if Barnabas or Silas met those requirements, and it would be extremely unlikely that Timothy met them.
The two witness = the Church. The outer court = the tares among them.
The setting is the New Covenant era.And their death and resurrection on the last day. After the loosing of Satan in Revelation 20.
11:15 = New Heavens and Earth.
The setting is the New Covenant era.And their death and resurrection on the last day. After the loosing of Satan in Revelation 20.
11:15 = New Heavens and Earth.