Will the mark alone send a person to eternal damnation?

[KJV1611]

The gospel as we know it was fully made known to Paul. Revelation 14 is future, after the gathering of the Church.

Your getting close, yes the gospel began to be preached with Paul, Jesus and the rest of them. Now let's work on the last part. Revelation 14 is future.

In Rev 14 the gospel begins to be preached. Next Babylon (Israel) falls. The kingdom is taken from them.
Next comes the harvest of the ripe fruit.
What did Jesus say about the harvest?

Joh_4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

When was Rev 14 fulfilled?

 

[azamzimtoti]

Sooo, today, in order to be saved one doesn’t have to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins to be saved? That’s what you’re saying.

How am I saying that?

 

[John146]

Your getting close, yes the gospel began to be preached with Paul, Jesus and the rest of them. Now let's work on the last part. Revelation 14 is future.

In Rev 14 the gospel begins to be preached. Next Babylon (Israel) falls. The kingdom is taken from them.
Next comes the harvest of the ripe fruit.
What did Jesus say about the harvest?

Joh_4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

When was Rev 14 fulfilled?

Babylon = Israel? Nope.

 

[John146]

How am I saying that?

The everlasting gospel is, and I quote word for word, “Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters”.

No mention of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins.

 

[GaryA]

Ok, so...this is not the church age any longer. The time for faith alone has expired. Paul's teachings no longer are applied to the Jews in the last days. They are to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Christ. They must endure to the end. That's not church doctrine. The gospel of the kingdom will go back into effect with the kingdom and King at hand once again.

We have been in the "last days" for ~2000 years. In "dispensational" terms, nothing has changed since the resurrection of Christ and will not change until He returns.

There is only one gospel.

You are not properly understanding the 'grammar of the language'; what you are calling the 'everlasting gospel' is not that - it is but a warning.

 

[KJV1611]

Babylon = Israel? Nope.

Remember she's MYSTERY Babylon... that means she's not literal Babylon. What other whore fell when the gospel began to be preached and the fields were white for harvest?

 

[GaryA]

Verse 7 are the words of the everlasting gospel.

No John - they are not.

 

[GaryA]

Dang it I shouldn't have burned all my Hal Lindsey books!

You probably did the world a favor; albeit, only a small one...

 

[azamzimtoti]

The everlasting gospel is, and I quote word for word, “Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters”.

No mention of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins.

This is an assumption, just because the DBR is not mentioned is no proof of absence. His kingdom is based on the DBR.

(Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?)

His glory IS the kingdom:

(Mark 10:37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.)

(Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David)

(Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.)

 

[John146]

We have been in the "last days" for ~2000 years. In "dispensational" terms, nothing has changed since the resurrection of Christ and will not change until He returns.

There is only one gospel.

You are not properly understanding the 'grammar of the language'; what you are calling the 'everlasting gospel' is not that - it is but a warning.

Lol, last days = 2,000 years? How do you figure?

Paul states that there is but one gospel unto salvation. The everlasting gospel is a good news message of the return of Jesus. It is not a message of salvation. You guys falsely equate gospel to salvation. Gospel simply means good tidings or good news.

 

[John146]

This is an assumption, just because the DBR is not mentioned is no proof of absence. His kingdom is based on the DBR.

(Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?)

His glory IS the kingdom:

(Mark 10:37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.)

(Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David)

(Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.)

Lol, Revelation 14 specifically states exactly what the angel declared. Don’t add to the word to fit your theory.

The disciples, before the cross, had no clue of the gospel given to Paul. Yet, they preached the gospel of the kingdom. Something gives...

 

[John146]

Remember she's MYSTERY Babylon... that means she's not literal Babylon. What other whore fell when the gospel began to be preached and the fields were white for harvest?

That’s future KJV1611. It has not been fulfilled yet.

 

[GaryA]

I will have to come back to this later - lunch break almost over - no time left.

 

[KJV1611]

Lol, last days = 2,000 years? How do you figure?

Paul states that there is but one gospel unto salvation. The everlasting gospel is a good news message of the return of Jesus. It is not a message of salvation. You guys falsely equate gospel to salvation. Gospel simply means good tidings or good news.

It was the last days of Israel.

 

[KJV1611]

That’s future KJV1611. It has not been fulfilled yet.

So do you not believe the harvest was ready to be reaped when Jesus came? He said it was. He even specifically said "Say not ye, There are yet four months". And you're trying to tack on 2000 years. Do you see a problem with that?

 

[azamzimtoti]

Lol, Revelation 14 specifically states exactly what the angel declared. Don’t add to the word to fit your theory.

The disciples, before the cross, had no clue of the gospel given to Paul. Yet, they preached the gospel of the kingdom. Something gives...

You fixating in on the phrase "everlasting gospel" which in your understanding is different than the gospel the apostles preached without explaining how the two differ.

 

[John146]

It was the last days of Israel.

The last days refers to a time right before the return of Christ.

 

[John146]

So do you not believe the harvest was ready to be reaped when Jesus came? He said it was. He even specifically said "Say not ye, There are yet four months". And you're trying to tack on 2000 years. Do you see a problem with that?

Nope, the gathering of the Church is the great harvest. The fields were ripe, but the Jews rejected the Lord, so Paul was used to take the gospel to the Gentiles. When the fullness of the Gentiles is come in, the Lord will gather together all things in Christ.

 

[azamzimtoti]

The last days refers to a time right before the return of Christ.

Right, but your are positing it as yet to happen - when the bible indicates it would be in the generation that heard Jesus speak.

 

[John146]

You fixating in on the phrase "everlasting gospel" which in your understanding is different than the gospel the apostles preached without explaining how the two differ.

I really have made it simple, so I thought.

Paul’s gospel = how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Everlasting gospel = Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Can you really not see the difference? There’s not one similarity.