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Scarlett7297

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If God actually wiped out all humanity instead of saving Noah and thus all of us are proliferating and alive and sinning and according to some, being thrown into hell unless we believe when we are alive in this temporary life which will judge our eternity
 

Magenta

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I believe God knows what He is doing, that He knows best, and that His ways are better than ours.
 
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If God actually wiped out all humanity instead of saving Noah and thus all of us are proliferating and alive and sinning and according to some, being thrown into hell unless we believe when we are alive in this temporary life which will judge our eternity
Can you rephrase the question. Sounds like wondering about judgement. Like, is God going to squash us like ants in the end?
 

JohnDB

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If God actually wiped out all humanity instead of saving Noah and thus all of us are proliferating and alive and sinning and according to some, being thrown into hell unless we believe when we are alive in this temporary life which will judge our eternity
God knows the future just as well as He knows the current state of things.

Other people's sins are really not as important to you as your own...much like mine are more important to me than my friends.

God doesn't want robotic love without the freedom of choice. I can get robotic love from my cell phone...if I was inclined to actually pursue such a thing. Which is what happens when people are so dominated and outclassed by God. Which is what God doesn't want. Instead God values the rare individual that goes beyond the surface belief of scripture knowledge and joining a church for positive friendships...God wants real relationships by willing choice.

And He knew that was all He was going to get. The "netzer" or "remnant" was the sum of His expectation. He raised up an entire nation of Jews for the handful of believers...12 ordinary guys who changed the world.
 

Mem

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If God actually wiped out all humanity instead of saving Noah and thus all of us are proliferating and alive and sinning and according to some, being thrown into hell unless we believe when we are alive in this temporary life which will judge our eternity
He might as well have except that Shem was also saved with Noah, along with Chem and Japheth whose descendants would benefit from Shem's descendent, Jesus, Who came because God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son into the world to save it. Without Him, those (born) "before" Him would have no chance of life and God might as well have not even created Adam.
 

JohnDB

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I believe God knows what He is doing, that He knows best, and that His ways are better than ours.
Although I do question his logic concerning his choice and actions in my life at times...I really ain't worth the effort in my opinion...but I ain't gonna argue the point either.
 

Magenta

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Although I do question his logic concerning his choice and actions in my life at times...
I really ain't worth the effort in my opinion...but I ain't gonna argue the point either.
God knew the heart of man before He created him, knew he would disobey and rebel, and
created us any way. Every problem in the world boils down to man thinking he knows better.
Living in a world so contaminated with sin it is hard to imagine what it will be like without...


Though I know it will be better by far :D
 

oyster67

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being thrown into hell unless we believe when we are alive in this temporary life which will judge our eternity
I used to think that way until it finally dawned on me that Jesus loves me and is not willing that any should perish. It does not take herculean effort to come to Jesus. Just give Him a chance.

Revelation 3:20
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”

He knows what is best for us. Please trust Him. You will be so glad you did.
 

Seeker47

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I don' know about others, but I refuse to accept a pessimistic view of either mankind or God. Walk through a grocery store and watch young mothers with their children. Watch men going to work trying to build something for future generations. Watch police officers going down dark alleys risking everything to keep others safe. Watch a soldier or remember their sacrifice. Remember those Saints of the past who gave all that we might better understand the grace of our lord. Look into a newborns eyes as they are reaching out to touch the world. Evil is real and it does exist, but life is so much more.

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Mem

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I don' know about others, but I refuse to accept a pessimistic view of either mankind or God. Walk through a grocery store and watch young mothers with their children. Watch men going to work trying to build something for future generations. Watch police officers going down dark alleys risking everything to keep others safe. Watch a soldier or remember their sacrifice. Remember those Saints of the past who gave all that we might better understand the grace of our lord. Look into a newborns eyes as they are reaching out to touch the world. Evil is real and it does exist, but life is so much more.

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Scarlett7297

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Can you rephrase the question. Sounds like wondering about judgement. Like, is God going to squash us like ants in the end?
what i mean is...God regretted making man as I read in one of the verses of Genesis. And then He was going to wipe out all humanity....NOW suppose , Noah was also wiped out....all of us wiped out , all humans, then would the circumstances have been better than what it is now...? - "all of us are proliferating and alive and sinning and according to some, being thrown into hell unless we believe when we are alive in this temporary life which will judge our eternity."
What IF , it would have actually have been better if everyone died and no more souls came down from Heaven to earth and we never felt both pain on earth and pain in ...hell according to some (for those who didn't believe). Atleast you agree that the unbeliever atleast could have stayed back in heaven rather than have come down ? or am I wrong in thinking all of our souls came from heaven? Isn't it true our souls came from heaven? you can freely correct me. thanks.

“And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” (Gen 6:6, 7)
 

Everlasting-Grace

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what i mean is...God regretted making man as I read in one of the verses of Genesis. And then He was going to wipe out all humanity....NOW suppose , Noah was also wiped out....all of us wiped out , all humans, then would the circumstances have been better than what it is now...? - "all of us are proliferating and alive and sinning and according to some, being thrown into hell unless we believe when we are alive in this temporary life which will judge our eternity."
What IF , it would have actually have been better if everyone died and no more souls came down from Heaven to earth and we never felt both pain on earth and pain in ...hell according to some (for those who didn't believe). Atleast you agree that the unbeliever atleast could have stayed back in heaven rather than have come down ? or am I wrong in thinking all of our souls came from heaven? Isn't it true our souls came from heaven? you can freely correct me. thanks.

“And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” (Gen 6:6, 7)
if he did that

then the human race would have been gone

Jesus could not come and die for the human race

all the people who were Gods before the flood would have ended up in hell. because their sins are unpaid for

All the people after the flood who would be saved would not be able to spend an eternity in heaven, because they would never have been born.

God sent christ to die for everyone. Everyone has a chance. what they do with that chance is up to them.
 

Scarlett7297

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if he did that

then the human race would have been gone

Jesus could not come and die for the human race

all the people who were Gods before the flood would have ended up in hell. because their sins are unpaid for

All the people after the flood who would be saved would not be able to spend an eternity in heaven, because they would never have been born.

God sent christ to die for everyone. Everyone has a chance. what they do with that chance is up to them.
I thought all of us , our souls came down from heaven. How is it that we would be worse off if we weren't born when before being born we were happy? Am I wrong that we came from heaven? Did we start existing only ones we took our first breath on earth...before that we didn't exist?
 

Pilgrimshope

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If God actually wiped out all humanity instead of saving Noah and thus all of us are proliferating and alive and sinning and according to some, being thrown into hell unless we believe when we are alive in this temporary life which will judge our eternity
would it be better for a person to never exist than to be given a chance to have eternal life ?

it’s not Gods fault that mankind won’t hear him and respond. He went as far as crucifying his begotten innocent son in mans place and said now “use the time I’ve allowed you to have even though you chose death instead of me , use your time to find me and I will give you everlasting life “

it would be better if mankind had just believed tbier creator then all this wouldn’t be so. Death isn’t Gods plan for us life is and slavery isn’t his plan for us , repentance and free Will is . Choosing the good and living beyond death is

it’s only because of his forebearance and patience and love for mankind that he hasn’t destroyed everyone’s Hope to Be saved

your question is a bitter one towards god it seems would it be better for humanity to be destroyed rather than offering them a Hope of salvation and eternal Life ?

Hell is a place we’re Warned about in order to avoid going there , heaven is a place we’re told about in order to show us the way there

either way after our earthly life concludes we have to continue on where we have freely chosen to go
 

oyster67

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Isn't it true our souls came from heaven? you can freely correct me. thanks.
They are generated at conception. We are not from infinity past like God is. (But we will persist into eternity future.)

We must now choose the destination. He certainly does not want anyone to go into hell, but He cannot let them into Heaven if they refuse to let Him prepare them properly.
 

Aaron56

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The covenant between God the father and God the Son to make man "in the image and likeness" of God, required that mankind persist until that word was fulfilled perfectly. The promise of this covenant vested with Abraham and his Seed. This "seed" was revealed to be Christ Jesus.

If all mankind had been wiped out before the Seed appeared in the earth, then God would not have kept His word. But He always keeps His word.