Would Jesus drink Alcohol?

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More Scriptural Evidence? Why would Jesus Disobey His Own OT Command?:

"Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions?​
who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who​
hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they​
that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine​
when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it​
moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and​
stingeth like an adder." (Proverbs 23:29-32 AV)​
Amen.
 

presidente

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Never.

Jesus would not, and did not, ingest alcohol.

Jesus is all about purity of body and soul.
Jesus said what a man eats goes into his stomach and is cast into the draught... or the KJV rendering.

Jesus was accused of being a man gluttonous and a winebibber. He admitted the Son of Man came eating and drinking. They were exaggerating and accusing Him of excess. If he were a teetotaler, that would have been odd so why wouldn't they criticism him for that like they did with John the Baptist instead of accusing Him of being a winebibber?

There is nothing at all pure about alcohol. It is toxic to the human body. It is poison. It is great as an antiseptic, sure. It kills microorganisms and bacteria that it comes into contact with.
It occurs naturally in food as it ferments, which we eat. Some foods start fermenting when picked.

Good for human ingestion? Not so much.
Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach's sake. Take wine, mix it with water for 24 hours, come back and the bacteria are dead in it. So it can serve to purify water. And they'd mix wine with a lot of water back then, or that was one of the ways they drank it.

Take a good look at the fermentation process and think again if it makes any sense at all that Jesus would make, or serve, alcohol to anyone.

Alcohol is literally the feces of the yeast microorganism. The yeast consumes the sugar of fruits/vegetables and excretes alcohol. It also flatulates carbon dioxide so the carbonation, all the little bubbles in wine, is the gas that exits the yeast's rectum.
That's dumb. Yeast doesn't have a rectum. It's a microorganism. They process organisms and expell by-products through their cell walls. They don't 'poop'.

Does this sound like a holy and pure substance that Christ would enjoy or give to many people to ingest after they had all "well drunken"?
I find your use of rectum and poop in regard to the beverages that Christ and the apostles consumed to be insulting and disrespectful.

The fact is that wine in the Bible is referred to by a single English word when the original language used multiple words to refer to what we call wine and also what we call grape juice (unfermented).

Jesus never drank alcohol and what He actually made was pure, fresh grape juice from water - as much of a miracle as creating alcohol, if not more so.
Very convenient that you can make the word mean whatever you want whenever you want... move the beverage along the range of fermentation from passage to passage to fit your theology. Even new wine would start fermenting a bit on the microscopic level.

Contrary to popular belief, the Bible speaks negatively of ingesting alcohol in many places.
There are warnings about wine, sure. But this should be taken in the overall teaching of scripture that it is against excess and drunkenness.

From what I have read, the Pharisees would have required that wine be fully fermented to be kosher for Passover, so the dead yeast would rise to the top and could be sloughed off. Our Lord Jesus said whatsoever the scribes and Pharisees 'bid you observe, that observe and do.' So why would He have had what they considered non-kosher, not fully fermented wine for Passover? In the Lord's Supper at Corinth, they apparently used a real alcoholic beverage, because at least someone got drunk. And Paul didn't say they were wrong because they used real wine, though obviously that was excess.
 

presidente

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Jesus is/was most certainly NOT a Jew and that was very irreverent.
I suggest you read the Bible. Jesus was also from the tribe of Judah according to the Bible, so a Jew in a more literal sense than Paul.
 

presidente

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Samson's mom could not drink alcohol.

It is not for kings and princes to drink alcohol.

John the Baptist could not drink alcohol.

People who are to be pure and holy are not to drink alcohol.

But Jesus drank alcohol which does not make sense.
The Nazarite vow was not the only way to be holy. Those who were under it could not touch dead bodies. Did Jesus touch dead bodies? Those who were not under the Nazarite vow could not drink unfermented grape juice. Do you believe Jesus did that?

God said be ye holy for I am holy so why would the saints drink alcohol when all people that are to be holy cannot drink alcohol.
Jesus said 'Drink, ye all, of it.'

Maybe Paul put himself under a Nazarite vow. He shaved his head in Cencrea for he had made a vow. He went into the temple to pay the expenses for men who had a vow on them. So maybe he went for a while without drinking alcohol.... or grape juice. But that doesn't mean he wasn't holy after he got his hair all shaved off (if that is indeed why he was mistaken for an Egyptian.)
 

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On the Dad's side, I was in LDS Fundamentalist cult. One of my Mothers was Jewish, I attended Temple School to become a Rabbi someday. When my Dad was murdered in 1993 going after his 18th wife. I became the prophet and disbanded the cult. I also, shared who the real Jesus is, many came to him that day. I said, this is the last photetic mesage, there will not be any prophets after me. I told them not to marry their sisters, go out and live a normal life.

This is how they got their name.

When first forming as a cult, many established, conventional preachers rebuked the sect.
Telling them it must be one woman to one man in marriage. After tolerating that treatment for a while,
the would be cult organized and decided to move out west to where they would be left alone.

That's when it happened.

They moved to Utah. The established themselves as they wished.

Since they were far away from conventional churches the men in church felt free to chant in unison
their feelings about marriage....

All the men used to chant...

" One wife???? No way!
We want more man!
More man!
More man!
More man!

People traveling through and visiting their churches thought they were hearing "Mormon."

And, that's how they got their name...
 

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op: Would Jesus drink alcohol?
More Scriptural Evidence? Why would Jesus Disobey His Own OT Command?:

"Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions?​
who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who​
hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they​
that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine​
when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it​
moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and​
stingeth like an adder." (Proverbs 23:29-32 AV)​
Amen.
That does not disprove Jesus drank wine.
 

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That does not disprove Jesus drank wine.
Precious friend, just saying it was not alcoholic wine.

q: If it takes me 5 glasses of alcohol to get 'drunk', am I not 1/5th drunk after
only One glass? Why would my "sinless" Saviour do "such a thing"?

Amen.
 

TheLearner

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The Nazarite vow was not the only way to be holy. Those who were under it could not touch dead bodies. Did Jesus touch dead bodies? Those who were not under the Nazarite vow could not drink unfermented grape juice. Do you believe Jesus did that?


Jesus said 'Drink, ye all, of it.'

Maybe Paul put himself under a Nazarite vow. He shaved his head in Cencrea for he had made a vow. He went into the temple to pay the expenses for men who had a vow on them. So maybe he went for a while without drinking alcohol.... or grape juice. But that doesn't mean he wasn't holy after he got his hair all shaved off (if that is indeed why he was mistaken for an Egyptian.)
Jesus never took the Nazarite vow :)

He was a Nazarene is a title used to describe people from the city of Nazareth.

Matthew 3:1
While Jesus still lived in Nazareth,

I can understand your confusion, brother, friend.
 

TheLearner

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Precious friend, just saying it was not alcoholic wine.

q: If it takes me 5 glasses of alcohol to get 'drunk', am I not 1/5th drunk after
only One glass? Why would my "sinless" Saviour do "such a thing"?

Amen.
I already posted friend that even new wine contained alcohol.
 

Genez

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Precious friend, just saying it was not alcoholic wine.

q: If it takes me 5 glasses of alcohol to get 'drunk', am I not 1/5th drunk after
only One glass? Why would my "sinless" Saviour do "such a thing"?

Amen.


If the speed limit is 60?

And, if you are driving ten miles under the speed limit?

You will not get a speeding ticket for five 6ths the normal fine for speeding.


:coffee:
 

presidente

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Jesus never took the Nazarite vow :)

He was a Nazarene is a title used to describe people from the city of Nazareth.

Matthew 3:1
While Jesus still lived in Nazareth,

I can understand your confusion, brother, friend.
I know Jesus did not take the Nazarite vow (as far as we know, not during the time period where He was drinking the fruit of the vine). Go back and look at my post more carefully and see that was part of the point I was making.
 

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I know Jesus did not take the Nazarite vow (as far as we know, not during the time period where He was drinking the fruit of the vine). Go back and look at my post more carefully and see that was part of the point I was making.
Nor could he have contact with a dead body as required for a Nazarite vow keeper.
Which he did do when he raised the young girl from death... and the woman with blood issues touched him. .


Mark 5:21–43, Matthew 9:18–26 and Luke 8:40–56.
 

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I know Jesus did not take the Nazarite vow (as far as we know, not during the time period where He was drinking the fruit of the vine). Go back and look at my post more carefully and see that was part of the point I was making.
Not everyone who lived in Nazareth is a Nazerite.. yeah. Jesus obviously drank the fruit of the vine.

but still the similarity isn't coincidence.
 

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Nor could he have contact with a dead body as required for a Nazarite vow keeper.
Which he did do when he raised the young girl from death... and the woman with blood issues touched him. .


Mark 5:21–43, Matthew 9:18–26 and Luke 8:40–56.
He is not an ordinary man. He touched a leper, and instead of Him becoming unclean by it, the leper became clean!
 

posthuman

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Precious friend, just saying it was not alcoholic wine.

q: If it takes me 5 glasses of alcohol to get 'drunk', am I not 1/5th drunk after
only One glass? Why would my "sinless" Saviour do "such a thing"?

Amen.
pretty sure it's been well documented by now that the scripture never calls alcohol itself sin.
it calls drunkeness sin.
likewise gluttony is sin but food is not.

so, friend, i think your argument unfortunately is from a false premise.
 

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So, 5 drinks drunkenness is sin, but

1/5th drunkenness is Not a sin, Correct?
Miss Grace, our point is that whatever amount of alcohol Jesus may have consumed wasn't drunkenness.

Just as His 2,000-ish calories a day wasn't 1/2 gluttonous, and letting the sinful woman in Luke 7 kiss and massage his feet and wipe them with her hair wasn't 1/20 fornication. Does that make sense?