Ye shall know them by their fruits

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MarkWilliams

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Yep according to this link bellow, she kill over 150000000, more than Islam.

Catholic is more danger than Islam, every body know Islam doesn't believe Jesus, but most Christian think catholic is Christian, like I was. More cunning.

http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/papacy-estimates.doc
I'm amazed at the ignorance of so many so called "Christians" who don't know who don't want to know that the Roman Catholic Church murdered over 50 000 000 Christian saints. only because they made a profession of faith in Jesus, the Pope was furious with them because they didn't worship him instead.
We have so many Christian Churches committing spiritual fornication with the Vatican today, that it's sickening. The Vatican has managed to deceive the whole world, such is the power of the Antichrist Romanism.
 

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Are you saved? Have you made Messiah your Lord and Savior?

If not I would LOVE to talk to you....

Shoot me an e-mail.... We can talk all night if we need to....
I have been accept Him since my childhoods, and thank for your question.
 

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I'm amazed at the ignorance of so many so called "Christians" who don't know who don't want to know that the Roman Catholic Church murdered over 50 000 000 Christian saints. only because they made a profession of faith in Jesus, the Pope was furious with them because they didn't worship him instead.
We have so many Christian Churches committing spiritual fornication with the Vatican today, that it's sickening. The Vatican has managed to deceive the whole world, such is the power of the Antichrist Romanism.

And in her lumen gentium II/16 state that Muslim is in the plan of salvation, and Muslim worship the same God with Abraham.

This is lie, if so why this same God not tell to Mohammad that Jesus is God.
 

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And in her lumen gentium II/16 state that Muslim is in the plan of salvation, and Muslim worship the same God with Abraham.

This is lie, if so why this same God not tell to Mohammad that Jesus is God.

That is a valid point, the Muslim's tell us Jesus was merely a prophet. If that were the case we would have to throw away most of the things He said. He said he was the Creator God. That is not just a prophet.

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Jackson123

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That is a valid point, the Muslim's tell us Jesus was merely a prophet. If that were the case we would have to throw away most of the things He said. He said he was the Creator God. That is not just a prophet.

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Absolutely , if Muslim god is Abraham God, than Abraham God lie either to Muslim or Christian

If God told to mohammad that Jesus is not God but told to Christian that Jesus is God, than God is liar.

In other word, catholic accused God as a liar.

Accuse God a liar is serious crime, devil behind that doctrine
 
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Yes, there are two types of sinners. One is a carnal sinner given over to sin by God turning His back on him and not helping him fight against the temptation to sin, these are called the reprobate. They are sealed for hell, they can do nothing to change their fate.
I do not believe that those with a reprobate mind are "sealed for hell, they can do nothing to change their fate". I believe a person can turn to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and be saved at any point in this lifetime.

I do believe that the further we stray from God, it becomes more difficult for us to change. The person God has given over to a reprobate mind (Rom 1:28) will find it more difficult to change than the person God has given over to uncleanness (Rom 1:24).

However, we have a Lord and Savior Who we are to yoke up with and He helps us through. I've heard testimonies from some people whose hearts were so hardened and somehow God broke through and changed them. It was not easy for them – the road was very difficult. But they have been changed; they know they were changed and they are so thankful to God for His lovingkindness. And, it is the person who has been forgiven much who is able to forgive much in others.



Isaiah 55:

6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
 

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I do not believe that those with a reprobate mind are "sealed for hell, they can do nothing to change their fate". I believe a person can turn to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and be saved at any point in this lifetime.

I do believe that the further we stray from God, it becomes more difficult for us to change. The person God has given over to a reprobate mind (Rom 1:28) will find it more difficult to change than the person God has given over to uncleanness (Rom 1:24).

However, we have a Lord and Savior Who we are to yoke up with and He helps us through. I've heard testimonies from some people whose hearts were so hardened and somehow God broke through and changed them. It was not easy for them – the road was very difficult. But they have been changed; they know they were changed and they are so thankful to God for His lovingkindness. And, it is the person who has been forgiven much who is able to forgive much in others.



Isaiah 55:

6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
it's very hard to argue against the overwhelming amount of scriptures which make it clear that a person will never chose to repent and believe unless God moves them and causes them to.
The Bible says we are born dead in our sin, and none seek the Father. All have gone astray, the things of God are foolishness to those who are perishing. Only those who's names are written in the book of life will repent and believe, the rest will never do it because they are dead in their sin. A dead person can do nothing to bring himself to life, only God can quicken the dead to life.
 
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it's very hard to argue against the overwhelming amount of scriptures which make it clear that a person will never chose to repent and believe unless God moves them and causes them to.
The Bible says we are born dead in our sin, and none seek the Father. All have gone astray, the things of God are foolishness to those who are perishing. Only those who's names are written in the book of life will repent and believe, the rest will never do it because they are dead in their sin. A dead person can do nothing to bring himself to life, only God can quicken the dead to life.
Scripture also tells us it is God's desire that all men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4); that it is His desire that the wicked would forsake his way and turn to the Lord (Is 55:7); that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live (Ez 33:11).

God seeks after all. People whose names are not written in the book of life have had their names blotted out because they never turned to the Lord when He reached out to them during their lifetime.

We have this lifetime in which to turn to God and He reaches out to all mankind to bring them to Himself. He reaches out through the foolishness of preaching (1 Cor 1:21).

When the Word of God is presented to someone and he or she restrains (suppresses) the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18), that does not mean God did not want that person to turn to Him. Don't blame God for the person who turns from Him in order to continue on in his or her foolishness. Those who turn from God are without excuse (Rom 1:.20).


If God chooses some and not others, those who turn from Him would have an excuse. At judgment day they could say to God "well God, I did exactly as you made me do. Therefore I have an excuse and you should not cast me into the lake of fire".
 

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Scripture also tells us it is God's desire that all men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4); that it is His desire that the wicked would forsake his way and turn to the Lord (Is 55:7); that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live (Ez 33:11).

God seeks after all. People whose names are not written in the book of life have had their names blotted out because they never turned to the Lord when He reached out to them during their lifetime.

We have this lifetime in which to turn to God and He reaches out to all mankind to bring them to Himself. He reaches out through the foolishness of preaching (1 Cor 1:21).

When the Word of God is presented to someone and he or she restrains (suppresses) the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18), that does not mean God did not want that person to turn to Him. Don't blame God for the person who turns from Him in order to continue on in his or her foolishness. Those who turn from God are without excuse (Rom 1:.20).

If God chooses some and not others, those who turn from Him would have an excuse. At judgment day they could say to God "well God, I did exactly as you made me do. Therefore I have an excuse and you should not cast me into the lake of fire".
I will force you to agree with me right now.

Does God know all things, if you say yes which I know you will then you agree that God knew before He created you if you would believe or not.

God can't be all knowing, omniscient knowing the beginning from the end of all things and not know who would believe and who would not.
 
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I will force you to agree with me right now.

Does God know all things, if you say yes which I know you will then you agree that God knew before He created you if you would believe or not.

God can't be all knowing, omniscient knowing the beginning from the end of all things and not know who would believe and who would not.
God knowing who would believe and who would not believe is not the same as God choosing some and not choosing others. The reason some end up in the lake of fire is because when God reached out to them, they rejected Him.
 

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God knowing who would believe and who would not believe is not the same as God choosing some and not choosing others. The reason some end up in the lake of fire is because when God reached out to them, they rejected Him.
OK, your almost over the line. Can I please ask you to consider this, if you believe that nothing happens in Gods universe unless it is His will. Would it be pushing it to say, that He also decides who is going to come into His Kingdom as well.
 
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OK, your almost over the line. Can I please ask you to consider this, if you believe that nothing happens in Gods universe unless it is His will. Would it be pushing it to say, that He also decides who is going to come into His Kingdom as well.
God's desire is that all be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth:

1 Timothy 2:

1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


According to you, the "all men" in vs 4 pertains only to those God has "chosen" and in vs 5, Jesus did not ransom Himself for all mankind ... only those whom God has "chosen".

You think Hitler was acting in God's Will when he did what he did? That was God's will because "nothing happens in Gods universe unless it is His will"?

Do you not see that things do happen that are not according to God's Will?

You sure you want to lay the foolishness of men at the feet of our wonderful Heavenly Father? :cry:
 

MarkWilliams

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God's desire is that all be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth:

1 Timothy 2:

1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

According to you, the "all men" in vs 4 pertains only to those God has "chosen" and in vs 5, Jesus did not ransom Himself for all mankind ... only those whom God has "chosen".

You think Hitler was acting in God's Will when he did what he did? That was God's will because "nothing happens in Gods universe unless it is His will"?

Do you not see that things do happen that are not according to God's Will?

You sure you want to lay the foolishness of men at the feet of our wonderful Heavenly Father? :cry:
With all due respect, I disagree with you that the above verses are meant to be taken in the literal sense.

You are asking me to believe that God is not almighty and that He's not in control of all things. I must disagree with you, because the Bible is very clear that God is almighty, all knowing and nothing happens unless he allows it.

Everything that happens serves His purpose, yes even Hitler ultimately served God's purpose unwittingly. We can't always make sense of why things happen as they do but we only have a very narrow dim view of things, while God sees everything and He knows everything from the beginning to the end.

We naturally limit God to our own understanding, we should just take God at His Word and accept it as it is even when we can't comprehend it.
 
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With all due respect, I disagree with you that the above verses are meant to be taken in the literal sense.

You are asking me to believe that God is not almighty and that He's not in control of all things.
I am asking you to consider that some things happen that are not God's Will.

Example: God's Will for Adam and Eve in the garden was that they not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Gen 2:17).

God having planned for the redemption of mankind because He knew Adam and Eve would eat of the tree is not the same thing as God's Will was that Adam and Eve eat of the tree.

Clearly, God's Will was do not eat (Gen 2:17).

Because God knew Adam and Eve would eat, He provided what was needed in order to redeem mankind from Adam/Eve's foolishness.





MarkWilliams said:
I must disagree with you, because the Bible is very clear that God is almighty, all knowing and nothing happens unless he allows it.
God allowing something to happen is not the same as everything that happens is the Will of God.

When my kids were growing up, my will was that they make their beds before they went to school. That didn't always happen and sometimes they made their beds when they got home (or sometimes they didn't make their beds at all that day). Just because I allowed their beds to remain unmade does not mean it was my will.




MarkWilliams said:
Everything that happens serves His purpose, yes even Hitler ultimately served God's purpose unwittingly. We can't always make sense of why things happen as they do but we only have a very narrow dim view of things, while God sees everything and He knows everything from the beginning to the end.

We naturally limit God to our own understanding, we should just take God at His Word and accept it as it is even when we can't comprehend it.
So you cannot comprehend that God's Will is that all men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth and instead you claim that we cannot take His Word "in the literal sense".

Then turn around and tell me "we should just take God at His Word and accept it as it is even when we can't comprehend it". :rolleyes:
 
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How can we know who the true believers are.
Jesus said we would know them by their fruits, if a person professes to believe but isn't being conformed to the image of Christ then we can know they are not true believers.
A true believer will forsake everything and put the will of God above everything. That's not very popular these days, most "Christians" have Jesus as a buddy who helps them when they get into trouble but they don't want Him to interfere with their plans.
Today's mega Churches make the unbeliever comfortable in their sins, they don't confront sin and they don't preach repentance. They would never say, you must lose your life to gain it and they would never say you must give your life to Christ.
The best way to fill a Church is to embrace everyone exactly as they are and give them affirmation, just don't confront their life of sin.
It's very rare to find a true believer these days, it's just as Christ said it would be in the last
days. many would fall away and the love of many would grow cold.
God will accept nothing less than 100% of our love, our minds, our
strength and soul. I wonder how many true believers there are in the world. I think we would all be shocked to find out how few there really are.
He'd accept a mustard seed of anything from us.

Matthew 17:20 NIV
He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
 
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OK, your almost over the line. Can I please ask you to consider this, if you believe that nothing happens in Gods universe unless it is His will. Would it be pushing it to say, that He also decides who is going to come into His Kingdom as well.
You can't forget that God is not willing/wishing for any man to die. You have to fit that verse into your equation as well.
 
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He'd accept a mustard seed of anything from us.

Matthew 17:20 NIV
He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
This verse has always stymied me!
On the one hand He says: you couldn't do it because you have so little faith.
On the other hand He says even faith as little as a tiny seed is enough to do miracles...

It seems contradictory to me. I know it's not and there is just something I'm not seeing.
 
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This verse has always stymied me!
On the one hand He says: you couldn't do it because you have so little faith.
On the other hand He says even faith as little as a tiny seed is enough to do miracles...

It seems contradictory to me. I know it's not and there is just something I'm not seeing.
Depends what you think moving a mountain is. Maybe there's a mountain in someone's heart that when moved by faith can cure them of great anguish.
 
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Depends what you think moving a mountain is. Maybe there's a mountain in someone's heart that when moved by faith can cure them of great anguish.
Well the mountain to me is just...a miracle.
But the part that seems contradictory is He seems to be saying in answer to why they couldn't cast out the demon: Because you have so little faith - but then He goes on to say it only TAKES a little faith...do you see what I mean?
 
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Well the mountain to me is just...a miracle.
But the part that seems contradictory is He seems to be saying in answer to why they couldn't cast out the demon: Because you have so little faith - but then He goes on to say it only TAKES a little faith...do you see what I mean?
A little of the right faith can do amazing thing's. A little of the wrong faith will do nothing.