Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
We have a lunar eclipse on Purim, March 13-14.

A sign in the heavens is a signal of what is going to happen. It is not much of a sign if it takes place the same day it does happen. Purim was when the people of God defended themselves against the Amalekites led by Haman. So this sign is telling us that you must fight.

A lunar eclipse is to Israel.

We have had them in 2021, 2022, 2024 and now in 2025. This could be warning that they will need to fight for five years.

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
Zechariah 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

This appears to refer to the 3 kings who will be cut off from the ten kings, paving the way for the AntiChrist to seize power. According to this it takes 1 month precisely to cut them off.

Since this is what allows the Antichrist to be revealed it is theorized that this must happen after the rapture.

So then after the rapture you have 1 month period in which the three kings are cut off and the Antichrist is then revealed.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
It's Your Choice to Stay or Go 2-7-25 @ 3:23 PM

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
Are you rapture ready?

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Do you love the world? Do you love the things in the world? If so the answer is no.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Sure sounds like a description of the Grammies, and the Oscars, and the Superbowl.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

That is right, we are not saved by our works, but that doesn't mean that after being genuinely saved we don't do the will of God. Anyone who tells you otherwise is denying the power of godliness.

1 John 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.


Many will say they don't love the world or the things in the world. Fine, but does the world hate you? If the world doesn't hate you then you must be a secret agent Christian, not a witness of the resurrected Christ Christian.

1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

This is another test to see if your heart is right with God. You may say you don't love the things of the world, OK, but then why is it so hard to pry a few dollars away from you to help someone in obvious need?

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The evil spirits know the word of God, they are not going to fashion their false doctrines to make it so obvious that they are false. When they tell someone who has known the Lord for 20 years that you are not saved by works, what are they really saying? They are conflating two different issues, yes I met the Lord many years ago when I prayed and called Him Lord. But what about today? Yes, I am nothing but flesh, but that does not mean that Christ cannot be in me, the hope of glory. I have been crucified with Christ and it is no longer I that live but Christ that lives in me. If you deny that, if you deny that I can express Jesus Christ in my life, then you are denying that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. You may claim that He did come in the flesh, but the test is not about yesterday, it is about today.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

This is the gospel message. That we, men of flesh, can live through Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

This is the conclusion. If all the previous verses are confirmed then you know that you are of God and are rapture ready.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
You can't understand Daniel 9 unless you read Leviticus 26

Leviticus 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me; 41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity: 42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Compare this word in Leviticus 26 which follows God telling Israel how He will punish them with Daniel's prayer in Daniel 9.

Daniel 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

Yes, Jeremiah says it will be 70 years, but Daniel understood how Jeremiah knew that because he looked at Leviticus which explains how God will punish Israel in the event they do not follow His ordinances and statutes.

3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes: 4 And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments; 5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments: 6 Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land. 7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee. 8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee. 9 To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him; 10 Neither have we obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets. 11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him. 12 And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem. 13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.

Daniel prays according to the word of God and the law of Moses, particularly according to the word in Leviticus 26. He knew that Jeremiah had said seventy years but he didn't understand how he got that until he read Leviticus. Then in that chapter it also told him how to pray and this prayer is according to what Moses wrote in the law of Moses.

14 Therefore hath the Lord watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the Lord our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice. 15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly. 16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us. 17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.

When you are punished you need to understand why and you need to repent of that error. Then God can forgive you and bring you out.

18 O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

Learn of Daniel, this is how we can pray according to the will of God. Please notice he never blames Satan for the evil that has befallen Israel. Rather he confesses that the sins of Israel have brought this evil upon themselves and that this would never have happened had they simply hearkened to the word of God.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
they sung a new song

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

This is not the new song that the 144,000 sing. Look at the elements of this new song:

Jesus is worthy

Jesus has opened the mystery hid from ages and generations

He died for us

He redeemed us by His blood

The nations have been saved

He has made us kings and priests to our God

We shall reign on the earth.

This is the new song that the church has been singing for 2,000 years. It is blasphemy to say that this has not yet happened and will happen when the Antichrist is revealed. That is what Muslims teach.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
Fables and Endless genealogies

1 Timothy 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

There are several ways to study the Bible. One way is to study history and archaelogy and other texts to see what Paul is referring to. Another way is to check this against your experience. The word of God is living and operative and sharper than any two edged sword. This word is for us today. I am not saying that we shouldn't study history I am simply approaching this verse from my own experience. I have visited very many churches, I am in a ministry where I visit churches. I have visited churches from England to Hong Kong and many places in between. I have definitely seen the apostasy first hand. Now this word is to Timothy, a young pastor to a church advising him what to speak in the church and what to avoid.

According to Paul some are teaching other doctrines and that is something that Timothy must put a stop to.

However he also tells him not to give heed to fables and endless genealogies, not because they are false doctrines but because they result in questionings and don't build up the saints in the faith. So there are a few things we can learn just from the verse. A fable is basically a fictional story with a moral, often using animals instead of people. Although it can be argued that this might include some of the parables and riddles used in the Bible we know that it isn't because Paul specifically says they are not being built up in the faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. So don't confuse Pauls use of "fables" here to the parables in the Bible. He is talking about non biblical stories with a moral. For me whenever I hear the term "fables" I think of Aesop's fables and yet I have never heard a pastor use stories like that. I have been to plenty of sermons that were devoid of the word of God and yet they don't share stories that I would commonly think of as fables.

According to Paul this is a very big temptation to anyone who is a pastor. So if we ignore the fact that many of these fables use animals and instead focus on fictional stories with a moral, that may be a little more what we are seeing. Generally in the world they think a story that has a moral is a good story. But here is the fundamental basis of any story with a moral -- I could do the right thing if I wanted to. The Fable is reasoning with people, showing them logically how one approach is better than another. But it is a fable because the truth is we do the wrong thing because we are sinners, men of flesh. Our problem is not that we are being illogical, if that were the case then we would find that the most logical and philosophical people are free from sin. The only thing powerful enough to overcome the law of sin and death is the law of the Spirit of life. The only way people can be delivered from the wretched man of sin is by being built up in the faith. So what doesn't work is appealing to the logical mind, when people are in their mind it only results in questions. What works is the word of God and being built up in the faith.

Then we also have "endless genealogies". There are many genealogies in the Bible, but in Christianity I never heard them speak on any of them. It wasn't until I got around people much more serious in the word of God that they even taught the genealogies and those sermons pointed us to Christ and built us up in the Faith. Paul does not say to avoid genealogies, he only says to avoid endless genealogies. That is the one characteristic of every genealogy in the Bible, it has an end. In the New Testament we have two genealogies, both end with Jesus Christ. When we get saved we are grafted into Jesus Christ and His genealogy becomes our genealogy.

So endless genealogies are typical of many false doctrines. For example the Muslims teach that the Mahdi will come, an antichrist figure. Therefore they are looking at genealogies that still have not ended. The Jews did the same thing when they rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Some Christians teach that the seals in Revelation 5 are not opened until the end of the age meaning we still have not found one who is worthy to open the scrolls. The underlying teaching is an endless genealogy. If you understand that all those genealogies ended with Jesus Christ then you understand God found someone who is worthy to open the scrolls at the time of His crucifixion. Also among the occult and the elites genealogies are very important. This is why they have a coat of arms and books about their genealogy and lineage.

There is a less blasphemous form of genealogies and that is when people study their families genealogy. Why? My brother is doing this and they will say things like "I might be able to prove we are descended from William the Conqueror" or "Shakespeare". So what? Either that is meaningless or it isn't. If it is meaningless then obviously it is a waste of time. But suppose it isn't meaningless, who would you rather have in your genealogy: Jesus or Shakespeare? As far as I am concerned being the younger brother of Jesus tops anything my brother can find in our family tree. Jesus is the King, He is the word of God, He is the preeminent one.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
Fables and Endless genealogies (part 2)

1 Timothy 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do...9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Before getting saved I thought I could be righteous if I wanted to, I just didn't want to. That was a fable. The law exposes that fable. I don't want to be convicted of a crime, I don't want to go to prison, so that should be enough motivation for me to be righteous. And yet I was lawless. But lawless people don't blame themselves, they blame the law. They claim it isn't just, it isn't righteous. People who use drugs say that drugs are less dangerous than alcohol and that the Drug companies are the biggest drug dealers. People who rob banks complain that banks are evil, they aren't robbing the people who have money there but these big evil banks. Everyone has an excuse. I was also disobedient, but that again was not my fault. It was because the people in charge were stupid, or foolish or I could do a better job. These are fables. We have had 6,000 years of human rulers in every type of arrangement and organization and there has never been one found worthy other than Jesus. Apart from Jesus you can do nothing. The same is true of the ungodly, the sinners, the profane and the unholy. These are the people at work making jokes. Have you noticed that all their jokes and stories about what they did over the weekend is profane and unholy. They boast of their sins and ungodly acts.

But then I came to "murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers". That seemed to really stand out. I can see focusing on murderers, who I assume is only a small subset of society. Yet he focuses on a very tiny subset of murders, those that murder their fathers and mothers. Why would this be such a big focus? The Bible tells us to honor our father and mother that we may live long and that it may be well with us. I don't think this is simply a reference to people who actually murder fathers and mothers but those who do not honor them.

So I am reminded of this woman, she was not my mother, but I knew everyone in her family. Personally I didn't have any strong opinion about her at all and yet everyone in her family made it clear they didn't like her. It was as though it was obligatory to disparage their mother (or grandmother in some cases). The most common refrain was that she was a liar, more like an embellisher, she was like the fisherman exaggerating about how big the fish was that he caught. This seemed trivial to me since everyone in that family was a story teller. When I would push back on this I was then told that she was biased, expressing derogatory remarks about people of other races and faiths. I met her at least three times and did not recall this, but assume it was probably correct. But everyone has biases, this does not seem to me to be a valid reason to show her so much disdain. Finally her son confided to me that she had committed adultery, an insult to his father which he greatly admired. But here is the irony, he also was an adulterer.

So let's address the elephant in the room. All of us are sinners, people of flesh, so is it reasonable to assume your parents will be sinless? We are told to honor our parents, not because they are sinless, godly, and holy. On the contrary your parents allow you to see firsthand how ugly sin is. If you think about the things that your parents did that offended you the most you will most likely realize you do the same things. Not in all cases of course, but in many cases. But the sin you hate in your parents you should apply that to yourself. They didn't simply raise you, feed you, house you, and discipline you. They showed you first hand how ugly sin is and how you reap what you sow. If they were godly you saw that resulted in one kind of reaping and if they were sinful you saw that resulted in another kind of reaping. Either way you can honor them for giving you the kind of help God knew you needed.

You hear stories from people who refuse to drink because their father was an alcoholic and abusive. That was an important lesson for you, were it not for that intense lesson you would have very likely followed in his footsteps. So be thankful for him.

So why is this part 2 of Fables and endless genealogies? First, what you need is a genealogy that doesn't end with your father or mother, rather it ends with Jesus Christ. Second, the only way you will change is if Jesus Christ is in you and if your old man is crucified with Christ. The gospel message is "Christ in you, the hope of glory".
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
Zechariah 11

My question is who are the three shepherds that are cut off?

11:1 Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.

This is an interesting prophecy. 40 years before the destruction of Jerusalem and immediately after the religious leaders in Jerusalem made an official proclamation that Jesus was not the Messiah but was casting out demons by the prince of the demons to which Jesus responded they had committed the unforgivable sin, from this point on the temple records record a variety of judgments including the doors made of cedars of Lebanon would no longer close.

2 Howl, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are spoiled: howl, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the vintage is come down. 3 There is a voice of the howling of the shepherds; for their glory is spoiled: a voice of the roaring of young lions; for the pride of Jordan is spoiled. 4 Thus saith the Lord my God; Feed the flock of the slaughter;

It is reasonable to apply this prophecy to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD which led to the gospel going to the nations. However, according to the Bible that which has been is that which shall be and there is no new thing. I would say the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple prefigures the judgment at the end of the age. The destruction of the temple and the destruction of the apostasy are like book ends to the church age.

5 Whose possessors slay them, and hold themselves not guilty: and they that sell them say, Blessed be the Lord; for I am rich: and their own shepherds pity them not.

Yes, this happened when the Pharisees, Herodians and Sadducees rejected Jesus. Repeatedly we saw them condemning people for being healed on the sabbath day. Jesus even pointed out their hypocrisy saying if it had been a cow they would have pulled him out of the pit and yet they are forbidding healing a daughter of Abraham.

6 For I will no more pity the inhabitants of the land, saith the Lord: but, lo, I will deliver the men every one into his neighbour's hand, and into the hand of his king: and they shall smite the land, and out of their hand I will not deliver them.

This sounds a lot like the tribulation when the Christians who are left behind are hunted down, persecuted and put to death.

7 And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock.

This is what the Lord has done for the last two thousand years. The church age has been composed of "the poor of the flock" and Jesus has been the shepherd who has fed us.

8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

"Also", this tells me that the Lord did both. Sure enough not only did the Lord take care of the church during the church age, but He also cut off the Pharisees, Sadducees and Herodians. They were scattered to the four corners, the temple was destroyed and they were no longer in positions of power, and for many of them they were killed. I believe the same thing happens during the tribulation with the Apostasy. But this one detail "in one month" that is very interesting. The other detail is"three shepherds". We should not simply view Pharisees, Sadducees and Herodians as Shepherds that the Lord loathes. What about rulers of countries that don't care about the people but are corrupt. Surely He loathes them as well. In the book of Revelation we are told there are ten horns, that would be powerful world rulers, and three are cut off. In the world we have a number of powerful world leaders, but only three who have a real shot at becoming the one world ruler: Trump, Xi, and Putin. The antichrist is a little horn, but he maneuvers so that the three horns are broken off and that clears the way for him to become the one world ruler. This is simply a guess, but I am guessing that the three horns that are cut off are the three that would challenge the Antichrist the most for being ruler of the world. I don't think it is a stretch to say that Xi and Putin abhor Jesus. Trump may have had a change of heart since his assassination attempt, but for all his acknowledgement of God saving him for something greater, I do not see him worshipping Jesus. Yes, he is a politician and needed the Christians, but the idea that Trump is supporting Israel because of Jesus is unsupported. He may very well give God credit for saving him, but abhor Jesus because he wants to make a peace treaty that Jews and Muslims can both agree to. Anyway I am simply guessing that before Antichrist can have one world government Trump, Xi and Putin would have to be cut off.

9 Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.

This is talking about cannibalism. That is generally considered the absolute worst tribulation and would be part of the last seven years. No doubt this may have happened in human history but like I said I think this prophecy can apply to both the beginning of the church age and the end of the church age. Jesus is the good shepherd, so saying that He won't do anything to protect these ones indicate they aren't His sheep. This would be after the rapture.

10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.

We see this in the book of Revelation where the angel announces that the age of grace is over, there is no longer an opportunity to be saved and the angel preaches the eternal gospel. Jesus said to forgive 70x7 times. I have applied that principle to the gospel going to the four corners of the earth and 4x70x7 = 1,960 years. Add that to 70 AD when the gospel went out to the nations and you get 2030 AD. After that the forgiveness is over, the Lord breaks His covenant with all people.

11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord.

Once again another reference to the rapture. However, the "poor of the flock" may refer to the gleanings. So that day may refer to the day the two witnesses are killed and from that point on it is the eternal gospel.

12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.

Clearly a reference to Judas the false prophet. But we will also have a false prophet at the end of the age. The false prophet sold Jesus and I suspect at the end of the age the false prophet will betray these three shepherds who are cut off in one month.

13 And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.

Obviously we don't know what this means for the future. We saw what it meant for Judas, and we can surmise that the three shepherds are betrayed for money just as Jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver. There is an interesting point here, and since I don't believe in coincidence I would say an interesting prophecy. Joseph was sold for 20 pieces of silver, Jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver. The end of the covenant and time running out for forgiveness could be 2030.

14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

Right now the people of God are told to pray for the peace of Jerusalem and to bless Israel. This is true of both Christians and Jews. But after the two witnesses are taken up all the Christians will be gone. So think of the two staffs as two staffs of Jesus the Great Shepherd of the sheep. The first staff is broken when the rapture takes place. At this point the Lord's judgement on the apostasy begins. Then when the two witnesses are killed the second staff is broken, the staff called "bands", the bands that hold the people of faith together.

15 And the Lord said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.

The foolish shepherd would be the Antichrist. John said there have been many shepherds, so think of all these leaders who rejected Jesus. They are fools. According to the book of Proverbs the beginning of wisdom is the fear of God. Anyone who is a ruler or leader that does not fear God is a fool.

16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.

The foolish shepherd will be like a beast. He doesn't care for the sheep, he eats them.

17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

This is a reference to the one eyed god, the god depicted on the dollar bill, the all seeing eye. This god is a type of the Antichrist.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113

*WOW* The 3 Days of Purim, Gaza and End Times Bible Prophecy Revealed!
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113

Interesting news events
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
"God told me this..."

I am seeing these headlines on many youtube posts these days. When I see this I avoid the post. This title hits me as lifting up the person speaking or at the very least some kind of marketing ploy to appeal to foolish people. The entire Bible is God's word to us, so why are you looking for something some huckster claims is also God's speaking to us? The apostles sealed the testimony of their witness with their blood and this person seems to be someone trying to boost views to increase their ad revenue. The second problem I have with it is the use of the word God. Muslims believe in God, Mormons believe in God, Jehovah Witness' believe in God, the demons believe in God, and the fallen angels believe in God. All freemasons believe in God. On one hand this sounds like a person who is a scam artist, on the other hand this vague use of the word God says absolutely nothing about Jesus Christ. We are supposed to test the spirits. Do they confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and accomplished redemption with His blood? Do they say Jesus Christ is blessed by God forever? Do they confess that Jesus Christ is king of kings and Lord of Lords?

So this title is very different from "Jesus Christ, king of Kings, told us all this..." I'm not saying that Jesus Christ does not speak to individuals outside of the Bible, nor am I saying that these messages can't be to the whole body. What I am saying is that anything Jesus speaks will line up with the word of God and every word essential to the Body of Christ is in the word of God.

I have posted links to many dreams and visions and the reason I did that was because it is a fulfillment of prophecy that this is happening. Also, by the mouth of two or three witnesses let a thing be established. Finally, there is a principle that the mockers and scoffers will be without excuse when judgment day arrives. That means their were multiple warnings and words from the Lord including signs and wonders.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

There is a lot of debate over who this Great Babylon is and yes, everyone in this debate can pull forth Bible verses to support their interpretation.

However, we should note that "by thy sorceries were all nations deceived". That is very limiting. Even China and Russia cannot claim they have had that much influence. I know some claim that it is Israel, but does anyone really believe Israel has had such universal influence over every nation on earth? Others claim it is the Catholic church and that certainly would be a contender, but how much influence have they had over all the Muslim nations? The word for sorcery is our modern word for pharmacy. This is high tech, like bioengineering. You could argue that Covid19 was created in a bioweapons lab and since that was a global pandemic that could be what had all nations deceived. You could also argue that this is only the tip of the iceberg, for all we know they have had a much bigger influence than this worldwide with their GMOs and other things that have come out of the lab. Some claim that cancer is really a fungal infection and could be cured cheaply but they have deceived the whole world to make money on far more expensive treatments.

The second thing we learn is that Babylon the Greats merchants are the great men of the the earth. Bill Gates is a "great man of the earth" and he is also a sorcerer, involved in the pharmaceutical industry. I think it is clear if we are going to single out the Biggest billionaires on the planet who made their money as merchants then people like Bezos, Gates and Musk will stand out, all from the US.

Yes, Israel, China and Russia are also involved in these things, but no one to the extent the US is.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113

I Am the Good Shepherd 2-9-24 @ 6:58 PM Shared 2-10-25
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
Proverbs 25:13 As the cold of snow in the time of harvest, so is a faithful messenger to them that send him: for he refresheth the soul of his masters.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
According to Zechariah 11 the 3 shepherds that God loathes are cut off after 1 month.

Zechariah 11:8 8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

One theory is that these are the three horns that are broken off paving the way for the little horn, the Antichrist to take power.

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

So one theory is that Zechariah 11 is referring to these three horns. When they are plucked up by the roots we will then see the Antichrist, the little horn. So we know that the Antichrist is revealed after the rapture and based on Zechariah 11 it may be 1 month after the rapture.

So now my question and the point of this post is what day on the Jewish calendar would be the day for this to take place? Haman is a type of the Antichrist. We could liken the tribulation after the rapture to be like Purim where the people of God are told they must stand and fight against the evil Haman and his henchmen. According to Esther Haman is impaled in the gallows he made for the Jews and then the order goes out and we have Purim. My guess is that Haman in this typology could refer to the three kings being plucked up by the roots and Purim would be the day that the Antichrist is revealed. Purim is around March 13 and 14th. One month earlier would be February 13 and 14.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
Big days during the seventieth week

1. It starts on the Feast of Trumpets because it is announcing the soon coming of the king and the day of judgment. This will be a major event at the UN where a covenant is confirmed for seven years.

2. The rapture -- this takes place on a day that no one at the time of Jesus knew about. It will be a big sacrifice to Dagon. It will also be 1,260 days from the day that the two witnesses are killed in Jerusalem (possibly off by three days as their might be three days of darkness after the rapture but before the ministry of the two witnesses begins).

3. One month after the rapture you will have the revelation of the Antichrist after the three horns that abhor Jesus are uprooted. On the Jewish calendar the most likely day would be Purim. That is when all the people of God who are slated to be executed on the gallows are told by God to take a stand and fight. The three kings being uprooted are similar to Haman being impaled.

4. 1,260 days after the rapture the two witnesses are rejected and killed by Israel. The most likely day for this is the 9th of Av when Israel rejected the two witnesses and were cursed to wander in the wilderness and have their carcasses strewn about. February 17th 2025 is 1,260 days from the 9th of Av in 2028. Three days earlier is Feb 14th.

5. 2,000 years after Jesus ascended He returns in great glory to Jerusalem. The day for this would be Shavuot.

6. According to the wedding in Cana the water jars for purification are six and they are filled to the brim. This indicates a complete six years to the day of "death water", the period of intense tribulation on the earth. Since this will end on Shavuot when Jesus returns in glory it should also start on Shavuot six years earlier. So the intense tribulation that was shortened begins Shavuot 2025 and ends Shavuot 2031.

7. One year later Jesus raises up Israel. According to Hosea when He returns in glory He is enlivens Israel, a year later He raises them up. This will be 7 years and six months after the rapture. If the rapture is Feb 14th, 2025, 7 1/2 years later is August 14th, 2032. This would be the 15th of Av, the perfect day for Israel to be raised up out of the grave and for the curse to end.

8. Armageddon would take place in the summer after Jesus returns in 2031 with the 9th of Av being a key date in 2031.

9. Judgment day would take place at the Day of Atonement in 2032 with the wedding taking place on Feast of Tabernacles that year.

Now there is an interesting point, in the seventh year of the seventieth week there is no reaping. That is the law. So based on this 2031 is the seventh year and 2032 would be the year that the Jews would be raised up. This means that October 2, 2024 is the start of the seventieth week with the confirmation of Agenda 2030 when the passed the Pact for the Future.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
Endless Genealogies

Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

The gospel of Matthew is the book of the generation or genealogy of Jesus Christ. The gospel to the Jews is that Jesus is the Messiah they have been looking for.

Since this is the first verse of the New Testament you can also say that the New Testament is the book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ. He is the savior the world has been looking for.

So when Paul tells Timothy not to give heed to endless genealogies it is an all inclusive reference to cults claiming "that they are the Christ", and other religions teaching a Messiah is yet to come.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
38,684
7,160
113
Preaching the Gospel to all the nations -- more than a sign

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

All mankind is condemned and is under the judgment for sin. It is essential that everyone be told about repentance and remission of sins. This way those who are convicted of their sins and feel guilty can be saved and those who are not will have had the opportunity to repent. Until this is done they can't be judged. The only way to cleanse the earth of sin is to judge every sinner and eradicate sin from the earth, but God is righteous and will not do this until people have heard the gospel of their salvation and been given an opportunity to choose Jesus Christ. Revelation and the opening of the seventh seal describes God eradicating sin from the earth. Prior to the seventh seal is the sixth seal which is the rapture. The rapture will have the biggest impact after the whole world has learned about the gospel. They may think the gospel is fantasy, but after they see the rapture they will know it is the Lord and that the day of judgment has come.

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

There is a progression. In Luke the gospel should be preached in His name among all nations. That is where we are at right now. But in Mark this progresses to where it is published among all nations. In some nations you are not permitted to publish the gospel right now. But imagine the rapture takes place and many infants are also taken. Every nation on earth will demand to know what happened and so the opportunity to publish the gospel among all the nations will occur. There will be some problems though. First, the great delusion will be claiming they were UFOs and the good hearted aliens were removing the bad Christians who trouble everyone preaching they need to repent. The second problem is "if you know all about the gospel and the rapture then why weren't you taken?" Don't think it will be easier to preach the gospel after the rapture. A door will be opened for the gospel, that is true, but you will still suffer rejection, mocking and scoffing.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This is an even further progression. The Bible describes the two witnesses being killed in Jerusalem and their bodies lying dead in the street for three days. Why would people do that? Why not bury them? This suggests to me that for the last 42 months there has been a raging debate going on about the rapture, the two witnesses obviously speaking quite strong that the rapture was the fulfillment of the promise in the gospel. The debate is so fierce that the world will not allow the them to be buried, they want to see for themselves if they are going to rise from the dead. I also think they will place cameras on the bodies and live stream that. First, we have cameras on virtually every major street in every major city. Since this is Jerusalem it is no big stretch to think that they are killed in a place that is already being live streamed. Second of all, since this is Jerusalem the big question for them is who is the Messiah. Antichrist has already been revealed at this point claiming he is the christ, and of course the two witnesses have given their testimony that Jesus is the Christ. Now think about it, the entire world gets to see these two rise from the dead and get called up to heaven. Even if you were not watching the live stream at the very moment it happened it would be replayed on the news and on Tik Tok and X and Youtube. Even if it is then censored, it will be too late. Everyone on the planet will be talking about this, that is they will all be preaching the gospel of the kingdom.

Now consider how far we have come towards publishing the gospel. We have translated the Bible into 2,000 languages on earth. Prior to WW1 we had evangelists go into foreign countries and translate the language and preach the gospel. But with WW1 the Gideon's handed out new testaments to the soldiers, they went into the other nations and from that point on the Gideons became an international ministry. Since that point they have handed out 2.6 billion bibles. Prior to WW1 there were no international airlines. If you wrote a letter from China it would travel by boat to America and then come by train until your local postman would deliver it. If I wrote a letter to someone in China it could be a month before I heard the response. Also there were no telephones or computers. If I had an urgent message for someone I could send a telegram. Imagine having to spend $20 every time you wanted to post something on the internet. Also, how many people would read your telegram? Today I can post this on the internet and 450,000 people can read it. It doesn't cost me anything and there is no wait time. The gospel is being preached on Youtube, it is being shared on the internet, so Luke is being fulfilled.

However, there are still countries that censor anything about Jesus so the gospel is not being published in all the nations. Nor could you say that everyone in every nation is talking about the gospel. Right now people will listen and for many their response is "time will tell" or "I'll wait and see if you are right". But what pushes us from this stage to the gospel being published in all nations is the rapture and what pushes us from it being published and debated in all nations to being preached by everyone is the two witnesses being raised.