Getting married with non-believers?

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respekt

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My friend, Tina (not a real name), she is currently in Germany continuing study to Master Degree and few days ago I skyped her and she began to tell me about her current relationship with an atheist man. And it has been TWICE she dated non-believers. The terrible thing is that they planned on getting married within less than a year. Tina and I are Christians. She goes to church and serves God as well. I'm pretty sure she knows it is not a good idea. It would be a marriage and not just a relationship. In addition this man did not want to know anything about church and did not want her to introduce about Jesus to him.

Since in Germany, Tina did not go to church as often. Mostly churches in Germany use German and she couldn’t understand the language pretty much. The only church she attends is like once a month which is at American military camp. She started complaining about life in Germany, she hated the food and the cultures. She would also return to Indonesia after she finished school while that man wanted them to stay in Italy in the future. So, she met this Italian man at barbecue party. She dated this man because she was reminded of her parents message before she left Indonesia, “Open your heart for any guys, don’t be too introvert and stubborn.” It sounds awkward, because it’s like picking cat in a sack.

I was trying to explain to Tina that it’s better off than continuing their relationship before it became worse. I asked Tina her opinion towards marriage then she could not reply in detail, she said “marriage is marriage”. So, it’s kinda confusing. I also added this “If you chose to marry a wrong person, it would feel like hell on earth”. I don’t know if I sound rude. But she said I was not supposed to tell that however he’s one of God’s creations and it’s one of her vision that “none’s perfect.”

Unfortunately, I could not find right verses from Bible to tell her the truth. I’m also not sure if what I said to her wrong or right. I feel a bit down. Please anyone help me!
 
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Sometimes you have to take your foot off the gas and let people make their own mistakes. If you press the issue, it seems she would go forward in defiance, because defiance is romantic.

Just say your piece (and it seems you have) when life's winds blow, you will be one of the first people she'll think about. The bonus is that she may seek your counsel because you approached her with grace.
 

respekt

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Sometimes you have to take your foot off the gas and let people make their own mistakes. If you press the issue, it seems she would go forward in defiance, because defiance is romantic.

Just say your piece (and it seems you have) when life's winds blow, you will be one of the first people she'll think about. The bonus is that she may seek your counsel because you approached her with grace.
That's not wrong at all. But it's sad if she had to make a mistake as in marriage, a sacred thing. The only thing I can do is to pray for her. Thanks a alot, Ritter! God bless!
 
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alehandra

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Sista, try read my new post about From dady's heart and u can SHARE to ur friend...
GBU ^^
 

breno785au

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Sometimes you have to take your foot off the gas and let people make their own mistakes.
I agree with that at times, sometimes you have to allow that to happen but we're talking about something here that is supposed to last a life time, with divorce not an option. If I were OP, i'd get on my face for however long it takes, before God asking for His mercy on her to help her see her error.
 
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People just don't have foresight anymore , they think about how this makes me feel right now and come what may.
Take a look at all the posts on cc about people in terrible marriages with non christians. If she ends up getting married she will either be miserable, divorced, or happy giving up God. None of those three has a great end result.

Unfortunately...well..man and his folly. You can probably do more for this woman through intercessory prayer at this point then anything else.
 

presidente

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If you are going to be forceful in your arguments about it, do it now before she is married. Ask her how important her faith is to her. Ask her how important it is to her that her children share her faith. Ask her if she wants her children to go to Hell. (Not that that is guaranteed, but the father can lead them in the wrong way.) Point out to her that Christian men know not to commit adultery because it is against the commandments of God. But unbelievers may not share the same attitude. What if he doesn't want her to serve at church? What if he wants to become a 'swinger'? What if her children grow up hearing their father curse God?

Maybe her parents want her to marry a foreigner, or maybe she wants to, and this feels like her chance. She'd have to find a godly man in Germany. In spite of past German missionary influence on Indonesia, it doesn't sound like it's really a 'Christian country' anymore in a lot of ways.

There is a verse about being unequally yoked in II Corinthians 6.
 
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You did right! Sometimes advices are not liked nor asked, but you did well telling her your opinion. There´s no bulletproof jacket on decisions and you tried to spare her the pain it comes when dating the wrong side and, sometimes, the wrong side can come from those we call "Christians", no matter we say we are not like them, when falling SAME WAY when we are supposed to avoid sinning (and we can stop it, when we learn those lessons we´re going to learn: By pain).

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respekt

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Sista, try read my new post about From dady's heart and u can SHARE to ur friend...
GBU ^^
Hi sis, I have tried to read your blog. I should say sorry in advance because I couldn't finish reading the other points but this one:

1. A Christ-follower.

This should be the number-one thing. I'm not talking about picking someone who says he is a Christian; we've met many people like that. I'm not talking about someone who knows a lot of Scripture or has been a church member; there are plenty of people who do those things who may not make a very good spouse.

I'm talking about a young man who has a genuine love for God.


I do agree with that point, but the main problem is that Tina has unstable feeling. It's where she did not understand the purpose of marriage. She EVEN confessed she was in confusion and was afraid of not getting married. Praying and sacrificing more time for her would be awesome though it's hard sometimes to argue with a person with great high level of IQ :(
 

respekt

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I agree with that at times, sometimes you have to allow that to happen but we're talking about something here that is supposed to last a life time, with divorce not an option. If I were OP, i'd get on my face for however long it takes, before God asking for His mercy on her to help her see her error.
Ya mate, I totally agree with you. May God quickly (hopefully) help her. Thanks!
 

respekt

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People just don't have foresight anymore , they think about how this makes me feel right now and come what may.
Take a look at all the posts on cc about people in terrible marriages with non christians. If she ends up getting married she will either be miserable, divorced, or happy giving up God. None of those three has a great end result.

Unfortunately...well..man and his folly. You can probably do more for this woman through intercessory prayer at this point then anything else.
That's very true djness. Those three things above are scary. Yeah, I will keep praying for her. Thanks, man!
 

respekt

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If you are going to be forceful in your arguments about it, do it now before she is married. Ask her how important her faith is to her. Ask her how important it is to her that her children share her faith. Ask her if she wants her children to go to Hell. (Not that that is guaranteed, but the father can lead them in the wrong way.) Point out to her that Christian men know not to commit adultery because it is against the commandments of God. But unbelievers may not share the same attitude. What if he doesn't want her to serve at church? What if he wants to become a 'swinger'? What if her children grow up hearing their father curse God?

Maybe her parents want her to marry a foreigner, or maybe she wants to, and this feels like her chance. She'd have to find a godly man in Germany. In spite of past German missionary influence on Indonesia, it doesn't sound like it's really a 'Christian country' anymore in a lot of ways.

There is a verse about being unequally yoked in II Corinthians 6.
Brother presidente, thanks for the verse. When I skyped with Tina, I was going to tell her of what's written on II Christians 6:14, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?." I would say this verse to her once we talk again.

And yeah, I have not spoken about children. I missed that part tho. Tina said she and that man had already discussed about divorce but she did not tell me what was it about.

Basically, Tina never wanted to date a foreigner because of different cultures but she was reminded by her parents not to be introvert towards relationship. She just had no idea what relationship and marriage are. And, oh it was Nommensen, a brave man who came to my land Indonesia. Praying for her and trying as hard as I can to help her change her wrong mindset are things I am doing do at the moment.
 
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respekt

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You did right! Sometimes advices are not liked nor asked, but you did well telling her your opinion. There´s no bulletproof jacket on decisions and you tried to spare her the pain it comes when dating the wrong side and, sometimes, the wrong side can come from those we call "Christians", no matter we say we are not like them, when falling SAME WAY when we are supposed to avoid sinning (and we can stop it, when we learn those lessons we´re going to learn: By pain).

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I would choose to prevent pain, bro hehe :). Thanks for the wise words above. I really appreciate it and hey, the picture looks disgusting lol. Thanks brother secularhermit. God bless!
 
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Cino

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The Bible says that we should not be "unequally" yoked. Believers should not marry unbelievers. For what does light have to do with darkness? And Unbelievers with believers? Nothing. Christians should never marry unbelievers according to the Bible. And why? Because you will have problems and heartaches all your life. You will have a different lifestyle from each other and not share the same things. One will want to live by faith, and the other by self will. It NEVER works. God's advice is good for us.
 

respekt

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The Bible says that we should not be "unequally" yoked. Believers should not marry unbelievers. For what does light have to do with darkness? And Unbelievers with believers? Nothing. Christians should never marry unbelievers according to the Bible. And why? Because you will have problems and heartaches all your life. You will have a different lifestyle from each other and not share the same things. One will want to live by faith, and the other by self will. It NEVER works. God's advice is good for us.
Amen to that sister Cino, I will suggest my friend Tina to write Bible, figure out more about marriages through Christian married couple. Thanks, sis! God bless :)