Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?
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My mistake, I didn't mean Nikki Haley, I meant Kari Lake. Thanks for correcting that.
One other thing, I expect Biden is kicked out of office before the election, Kamala Harris is also removed and that Trump replaces them. I don't think we we will have an election in 2024 at least not for President.
One other thing, I expect Biden is kicked out of office before the election, Kamala Harris is also removed and that Trump replaces them. I don't think we we will have an election in 2024 at least not for President.
It is quite comical that after page 138 I have probably listed 10 things maybe even as many as 20 things that he could do that would cause me to not support him and yet so many come on here ignoring all these things that I have listed from page 1 to this page.
The things I have listed are not absurd, they are plausible, you can see other politicians doing these things, so why does everyone avoid them like they are radioactive?
Post #2290 is but one example of many:
If Trump did this I'd stop supporting him
1. I am very concerned about War. One thing that I liked about Trump was that he did not get us into any new wars. It had been a long time since we had a president who didn't get us into new wars. That doesn't mean I don't support the army and the need to defend ourself, but I want it done legally. If Trump were to go and blow up a Russian pipeline, or try to assassinate Putin with Drones, or send F16 to Ukraine which is not an ally after promising not to, or if he sent US soldiers to fight Russia without a formal declaration of war, then yes, these would be things that would sour me on him very quickly.
2. I am very concerned about corruption in Washington DC. If Trump were to take my tax dollars to pay off college loans, I would consider that theft. If I found out that ten million dollars was paid to Trump through Don Jr. from a foreign country in exchange for Trump doing them favors, if I discovered that Trump's kids were able to get away with not paying taxes on millions of dollars because the IRS and FBI were protecting his kids, then yes, I would not support him.
3. I am very concerned about the weaponization of the DOJ. Just because I don't agree with someone does not mean I want their views censored. If I found out the DOJ was labeling parents as Domestic Terrorists because they voice complaints at school board meetings, if I found out that Trump was arresting his political enemies, if I found out that his campaign was using dirty tricks to falsely label his opponent as being in the pocket of Russia, or creating false flag events to discredit his political opponent (kidnapping a governor or having an insurrection) then I would not support him.
4. I am very concerned about child trafficking for sex. If Trump opened wide the border to let the child traffickers in, if child trafficking became the most profitable business for the cartels, even more profitable than drugs under Trump, if Trump himself were a pedophile taking showers with 11 year old girls and groping children in public, then of course like any decent person, I would not support him.
5. I am concerned about who he is as a person. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect our politicians to be saints, or even holy men of God. But I do expect them to be decent. If Trump did something despicable like refusing to acknowledge one of his grandkids, then I would not vote for him.
6. I am concerned that he be competent. If Trump could not put two sentences together, if he appeared to have dementia, diminished cognitive abilities, diminished physical abilities then I would not want him to be president.
7. I am also concerned about the economy. If I thought he handled the economy poorly then I would look for another more capable candidate.
The things I have listed are not absurd, they are plausible, you can see other politicians doing these things, so why does everyone avoid them like they are radioactive?
Post #2290 is but one example of many:
If Trump did this I'd stop supporting him
1. I am very concerned about War. One thing that I liked about Trump was that he did not get us into any new wars. It had been a long time since we had a president who didn't get us into new wars. That doesn't mean I don't support the army and the need to defend ourself, but I want it done legally. If Trump were to go and blow up a Russian pipeline, or try to assassinate Putin with Drones, or send F16 to Ukraine which is not an ally after promising not to, or if he sent US soldiers to fight Russia without a formal declaration of war, then yes, these would be things that would sour me on him very quickly.
2. I am very concerned about corruption in Washington DC. If Trump were to take my tax dollars to pay off college loans, I would consider that theft. If I found out that ten million dollars was paid to Trump through Don Jr. from a foreign country in exchange for Trump doing them favors, if I discovered that Trump's kids were able to get away with not paying taxes on millions of dollars because the IRS and FBI were protecting his kids, then yes, I would not support him.
3. I am very concerned about the weaponization of the DOJ. Just because I don't agree with someone does not mean I want their views censored. If I found out the DOJ was labeling parents as Domestic Terrorists because they voice complaints at school board meetings, if I found out that Trump was arresting his political enemies, if I found out that his campaign was using dirty tricks to falsely label his opponent as being in the pocket of Russia, or creating false flag events to discredit his political opponent (kidnapping a governor or having an insurrection) then I would not support him.
4. I am very concerned about child trafficking for sex. If Trump opened wide the border to let the child traffickers in, if child trafficking became the most profitable business for the cartels, even more profitable than drugs under Trump, if Trump himself were a pedophile taking showers with 11 year old girls and groping children in public, then of course like any decent person, I would not support him.
5. I am concerned about who he is as a person. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect our politicians to be saints, or even holy men of God. But I do expect them to be decent. If Trump did something despicable like refusing to acknowledge one of his grandkids, then I would not vote for him.
6. I am concerned that he be competent. If Trump could not put two sentences together, if he appeared to have dementia, diminished cognitive abilities, diminished physical abilities then I would not want him to be president.
7. I am also concerned about the economy. If I thought he handled the economy poorly then I would look for another more capable candidate.
A list of 21 things that would cause me to not support Trump
1. If Trump were to go and blow up a Russian pipeline, or
2. If Trump were to try to assassinate Putin with Drones, or
3. If Trump were to send F16 to Ukraine which is not an ally after promising not to, or
4. if Trump sent US soldiers to fight Russia without a formal declaration of war.
5. If Trump were to take my tax dollars to pay off someone else's college loans,
6. If I found out that ten million dollars was paid to Trump through Don Jr. from a foreign country in exchange for Trump doing them favors,
7. if I discovered that Trump's kids were able to get away with not paying taxes on millions of dollars because the IRS and FBI were protecting them
8. If I found out the DOJ was labeling parents as Domestic Terrorists because they voice complaints at school board meetings,
9. if I found out that Trump was arresting his political enemies,
10. if I found out that his campaign was using dirty tricks to falsely label his opponent as being in the pocket of Russia,
11. or creating false flag events to discredit his political opponent (kidnapping a governor or having an insurrection) then I would not support him.
12. If Trump opened wide the border to let the child traffickers in,
13. if child trafficking became the most profitable business for the cartels, even more profitable than drugs under Trump,
14. If I learned that Trump's family was profiting off of this open border
15. if Trump himself were a pedophile taking showers with 11 year old girls and groping children in public, then of course like any decent person, I would not support him.
16. If Trump did something despicable like refusing to acknowledge one of his grandkids, then I would not vote for him. This one is a little gray area, I don't expect politicians to be saints, but I also do not want someone I consider to be despicable.
17. If Trump could not put two sentences together,
18. if he appeared to have dementia,
19. If he had diminished cognitive abilities,
20. If he had diminished physical abilities (this depends, obviously FDR had diminished physical abilities being in a wheelchair, but you don't want to elect someone who is frail and goes to bed at 5 in the afternoon).
21. If I thought he handled the economy poorly I wouldn't vote for him.
You would think this is common sense and any Christian would agree that these things disqualify someone from being president or else are a very serious concern. It is comical to me that apparently there are those who claim to be Christian and yet these things do not disqualify someone in their eyes.
1. If Trump were to go and blow up a Russian pipeline, or
2. If Trump were to try to assassinate Putin with Drones, or
3. If Trump were to send F16 to Ukraine which is not an ally after promising not to, or
4. if Trump sent US soldiers to fight Russia without a formal declaration of war.
5. If Trump were to take my tax dollars to pay off someone else's college loans,
6. If I found out that ten million dollars was paid to Trump through Don Jr. from a foreign country in exchange for Trump doing them favors,
7. if I discovered that Trump's kids were able to get away with not paying taxes on millions of dollars because the IRS and FBI were protecting them
8. If I found out the DOJ was labeling parents as Domestic Terrorists because they voice complaints at school board meetings,
9. if I found out that Trump was arresting his political enemies,
10. if I found out that his campaign was using dirty tricks to falsely label his opponent as being in the pocket of Russia,
11. or creating false flag events to discredit his political opponent (kidnapping a governor or having an insurrection) then I would not support him.
12. If Trump opened wide the border to let the child traffickers in,
13. if child trafficking became the most profitable business for the cartels, even more profitable than drugs under Trump,
14. If I learned that Trump's family was profiting off of this open border
15. if Trump himself were a pedophile taking showers with 11 year old girls and groping children in public, then of course like any decent person, I would not support him.
16. If Trump did something despicable like refusing to acknowledge one of his grandkids, then I would not vote for him. This one is a little gray area, I don't expect politicians to be saints, but I also do not want someone I consider to be despicable.
17. If Trump could not put two sentences together,
18. if he appeared to have dementia,
19. If he had diminished cognitive abilities,
20. If he had diminished physical abilities (this depends, obviously FDR had diminished physical abilities being in a wheelchair, but you don't want to elect someone who is frail and goes to bed at 5 in the afternoon).
21. If I thought he handled the economy poorly I wouldn't vote for him.
You would think this is common sense and any Christian would agree that these things disqualify someone from being president or else are a very serious concern. It is comical to me that apparently there are those who claim to be Christian and yet these things do not disqualify someone in their eyes.
I'm pretty sure the reason you don't acknowledge thee reasons is because you are only interested in attacks on Donald Trump demonstrating you are incredibly sycophantic to Biden and demonstrate that in every post you make.
As for "nonsense conspiracy theories" you must be listening to MSM which is anywhere from 18 months to 24 months behind. You probably still listen to the same guys who said that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation or that the Pandemic originated in a Wet market.
As for "nonsense conspiracy theories" you must be listening to MSM which is anywhere from 18 months to 24 months behind. You probably still listen to the same guys who said that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation or that the Pandemic originated in a Wet market.
Nonsense conspiracy theories?
"21. If I thought he handled the economy poorly I wouldn't vote for him."
I guess you agree with Biden that inflation is only up an inch.
"20. If he had diminished physical abilities (this depends, obviously FDR had diminished physical abilities being in a wheelchair, but you don't want to elect someone who is frail and goes to bed at 5 in the afternoon)."
Is it nonsense to say that Biden has diminished physical abilities?
17. If Trump could not put two sentences together,
18. if he appeared to have dementia,
19. If he had diminished cognitive abilities,
Are these nonsense conspiracy theories? The whole world is mocking Joe Biden, you must be the only one who is clueless.
16. If Trump did something despicable like refusing to acknowledge one of his grandkids, then I would not vote for him. This one is a little gray area, I don't expect politicians to be saints, but I also do not want someone I consider to be despicable.
How is this a conspiracy theory, even Joe Biden has admitted this.
15. if Trump himself were a pedophile taking showers with 11 year old girls and groping children in public, then of course like any decent person, I would not support him.
Joe Biden's daughter admitted this was her diary. Do you have any idea of what is going on?
14. If I learned that Trump's family was profiting off of this open border
James Comer has the receipts, Hunter Biden invested in an app designed for illegal immigrants to send money back to Mexico without providing any ID.
13. if child trafficking became the most profitable business for the cartels, even more profitable than drugs under Trump,
This is being widely reported by all three MSM networks, by the FBI, the DOJ, at congressional hearings.
12. If Trump opened wide the border to let the child traffickers in,
This has been proven. The governors of various states are complaining about this, they even welded some of the gates on the unfinished fence open. He refused to allow the construction to continue even though it was already paid for. Estimates are that 8 million illegals have entered the country since he took office.
11. or creating false flag events to discredit his political opponent (kidnapping a governor or having an insurrection) then I would not support him.
Governor Whitmer's kidnapping was a false flag event by the FBI, that has been confirmed. There were 200 FBI agents or operatives at January 6th. We are now learning that the video evidence used to convict people has since been deleted. The video we do have is proving the narrative we have been fed is completely false.
10. if I found out that his campaign was using dirty tricks to falsely label his opponent as being in the pocket of Russia,
Biden said during the debate that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. That has been proven false and the FBI has just admitted they knew this a year before the election. Do you have any idea at all about what is going on?
9. if I found out that Trump was arresting his political enemies,
Donald Trump was arrested by AG's who ran on a platform promising to "get Trump". He was arrested for claiming Mar a Lago was worth 1 billion on a loan application. The representative from the bank that loaned the money said they were not defrauded and an independent auditor who had previously been an expert witness for the prosecutor testified that Mar a Lago was worth $1 billion. Not a conspiracy theory, not nonsense. You on the other hand are batting 0 and are complete nonsense.
8. If I found out the DOJ was labeling parents as Domestic Terrorists because they voice complaints at school board meetings,
Fact, not theory. Not nonsense.
7. if I discovered that Trump's kids were able to get away with not paying taxes on millions of dollars because the IRS and FBI were protecting them
Hunter Biden has been indicted with 9 indictments for tax evasion and the FBI has known about this for years.
6. If I found out that ten million dollars was paid to Trump through Don Jr. from a foreign country in exchange for Trump doing them favors,
Comer has shown us copies of the cancelled checks, they have the receipts. This is why they have articles of impeachment for Biden.
5. If Trump were to take my tax dollars to pay off someone else's college loans,
Biden and the Democrats campaigned on this promise.
3. If Trump were to send F16 to Ukraine which is not an ally after promising not to, or
4. if Trump sent US soldiers to fight Russia without a formal declaration of war.
Both of these are facts, it is undeniable.
1. If Trump were to go and blow up a Russian pipeline, or
2. If Trump were to try to assassinate Putin with Drones, or
I don't think any expert in the military thinks Ukraine could have done either without the help of the US.
"21. If I thought he handled the economy poorly I wouldn't vote for him."
I guess you agree with Biden that inflation is only up an inch.
"20. If he had diminished physical abilities (this depends, obviously FDR had diminished physical abilities being in a wheelchair, but you don't want to elect someone who is frail and goes to bed at 5 in the afternoon)."
Is it nonsense to say that Biden has diminished physical abilities?
17. If Trump could not put two sentences together,
18. if he appeared to have dementia,
19. If he had diminished cognitive abilities,
Are these nonsense conspiracy theories? The whole world is mocking Joe Biden, you must be the only one who is clueless.
16. If Trump did something despicable like refusing to acknowledge one of his grandkids, then I would not vote for him. This one is a little gray area, I don't expect politicians to be saints, but I also do not want someone I consider to be despicable.
How is this a conspiracy theory, even Joe Biden has admitted this.
15. if Trump himself were a pedophile taking showers with 11 year old girls and groping children in public, then of course like any decent person, I would not support him.
Joe Biden's daughter admitted this was her diary. Do you have any idea of what is going on?
14. If I learned that Trump's family was profiting off of this open border
James Comer has the receipts, Hunter Biden invested in an app designed for illegal immigrants to send money back to Mexico without providing any ID.
13. if child trafficking became the most profitable business for the cartels, even more profitable than drugs under Trump,
This is being widely reported by all three MSM networks, by the FBI, the DOJ, at congressional hearings.
12. If Trump opened wide the border to let the child traffickers in,
This has been proven. The governors of various states are complaining about this, they even welded some of the gates on the unfinished fence open. He refused to allow the construction to continue even though it was already paid for. Estimates are that 8 million illegals have entered the country since he took office.
11. or creating false flag events to discredit his political opponent (kidnapping a governor or having an insurrection) then I would not support him.
Governor Whitmer's kidnapping was a false flag event by the FBI, that has been confirmed. There were 200 FBI agents or operatives at January 6th. We are now learning that the video evidence used to convict people has since been deleted. The video we do have is proving the narrative we have been fed is completely false.
10. if I found out that his campaign was using dirty tricks to falsely label his opponent as being in the pocket of Russia,
Biden said during the debate that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. That has been proven false and the FBI has just admitted they knew this a year before the election. Do you have any idea at all about what is going on?
9. if I found out that Trump was arresting his political enemies,
Donald Trump was arrested by AG's who ran on a platform promising to "get Trump". He was arrested for claiming Mar a Lago was worth 1 billion on a loan application. The representative from the bank that loaned the money said they were not defrauded and an independent auditor who had previously been an expert witness for the prosecutor testified that Mar a Lago was worth $1 billion. Not a conspiracy theory, not nonsense. You on the other hand are batting 0 and are complete nonsense.
8. If I found out the DOJ was labeling parents as Domestic Terrorists because they voice complaints at school board meetings,
Fact, not theory. Not nonsense.
7. if I discovered that Trump's kids were able to get away with not paying taxes on millions of dollars because the IRS and FBI were protecting them
Hunter Biden has been indicted with 9 indictments for tax evasion and the FBI has known about this for years.
6. If I found out that ten million dollars was paid to Trump through Don Jr. from a foreign country in exchange for Trump doing them favors,
Comer has shown us copies of the cancelled checks, they have the receipts. This is why they have articles of impeachment for Biden.
5. If Trump were to take my tax dollars to pay off someone else's college loans,
Biden and the Democrats campaigned on this promise.
3. If Trump were to send F16 to Ukraine which is not an ally after promising not to, or
4. if Trump sent US soldiers to fight Russia without a formal declaration of war.
Both of these are facts, it is undeniable.
1. If Trump were to go and blow up a Russian pipeline, or
2. If Trump were to try to assassinate Putin with Drones, or
I don't think any expert in the military thinks Ukraine could have done either without the help of the US.
Aviva must not have gotten the memo, Biden is not going to be running on his record, or on his being the "adult in the room" or the economy or national security. No he is running on the claim that people who "vote for Trump love this country too much" (MSNBC) and they are NAZIs and that if elected Trump will do unto them as they have done unto him.
C'mon man, aren't you paying attention to the talking points?
C'mon man, aren't you paying attention to the talking points?
Look at this guy freaking out and writing a PhD dissertation over a two sentence response.
It's obvious you never even bothered to look up anything about me, because I've only been here a few days and never said a single word about Biden, Trump or politics. I'm also not American and don't watch your terrible news.
Anyone who knows me would laugh thier head off at the suggestion that I'm a Biden sycophant. I think he's the most soulless corporate robotic stuffed suit that ever stuffed a suit. I'm also an Orthodox Jew who thinks it's a sin to use birth control or show her elbows in public... not exactly some unicorn riding lefty.
I work in entertainment and I've seen less adulating tongue baths given at Hollywood award shows then you maga cultists give Donald Trump. If pointing that out makes you mad, oh well. It's still true and you'd vote for him even if he killed someone on 5th Avenue... and you know it.
It's obvious you never even bothered to look up anything about me, because I've only been here a few days and never said a single word about Biden, Trump or politics. I'm also not American and don't watch your terrible news.
Anyone who knows me would laugh thier head off at the suggestion that I'm a Biden sycophant. I think he's the most soulless corporate robotic stuffed suit that ever stuffed a suit. I'm also an Orthodox Jew who thinks it's a sin to use birth control or show her elbows in public... not exactly some unicorn riding lefty.
I work in entertainment and I've seen less adulating tongue baths given at Hollywood award shows then you maga cultists give Donald Trump. If pointing that out makes you mad, oh well. It's still true and you'd vote for him even if he killed someone on 5th Avenue... and you know it.
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A ad hominem attack, this is what happens when you cannot respond to the facts.
The fact is you claimed those 21 points were "nonsense conspiracy theories" yet when challenged on that go running away saying you aren't an American. What does that mean, you are clueless about what is going on? And that you are Jewish. What does that have to do with any of the 21 points that you called "nonsense conspiracy theories".
If you want to make these insulting ad hominem attacks it reveals how low you are going. So a Jewish person not from America wants to get on a Christian chat about our presidential election in 2024?
OK, so you are a non American orthodox Jew who thinks it is a sin to have people see your elbows talking about adulating tongue baths and who watches Hollywood award shows. Got it.
The fact is you claimed those 21 points were "nonsense conspiracy theories" yet when challenged on that go running away saying you aren't an American. What does that mean, you are clueless about what is going on? And that you are Jewish. What does that have to do with any of the 21 points that you called "nonsense conspiracy theories".
If you want to make these insulting ad hominem attacks it reveals how low you are going. So a Jewish person not from America wants to get on a Christian chat about our presidential election in 2024?
OK, so you are a non American orthodox Jew who thinks it is a sin to have people see your elbows talking about adulating tongue baths and who watches Hollywood award shows. Got it.
I can see why you have some of the issues you do with information, you apparently only read every third or forth sentence.
An ad hominem is when you attack the person and not the argument, such as "Bob is wrong about the moon being made out of cheese because he's a racist!". The composition of the moon has nothing to do with whether Bob is a racist or not, ergo the response is an ad hominem. I didn't do that. I said you were a sycophant, which is a behaviour.
If you really think I'm going to sit here and write a response to a laundry list of points that you likely have on a template, prepare to be disappointed. You're so invested in arguing about Trump that you forgot to actually read what I wrote and responded, almost on reflex, with your "Trump gud Biden bad" rant. I never said anything about Trump or Biden or any of their policies. I spoke only about you and his followers and this thread.
In addition I firmly believe one should never try to reason with an unreasonable person. Even if I did take the hours to your laundry list, which actually IS a logical fallacy called the Gish gallop, we both know it wouldn't make a difference.
It's nearly Shabbat so I'm off until tomorrow.
An ad hominem is when you attack the person and not the argument, such as "Bob is wrong about the moon being made out of cheese because he's a racist!". The composition of the moon has nothing to do with whether Bob is a racist or not, ergo the response is an ad hominem. I didn't do that. I said you were a sycophant, which is a behaviour.
If you really think I'm going to sit here and write a response to a laundry list of points that you likely have on a template, prepare to be disappointed. You're so invested in arguing about Trump that you forgot to actually read what I wrote and responded, almost on reflex, with your "Trump gud Biden bad" rant. I never said anything about Trump or Biden or any of their policies. I spoke only about you and his followers and this thread.
In addition I firmly believe one should never try to reason with an unreasonable person. Even if I did take the hours to your laundry list, which actually IS a logical fallacy called the Gish gallop, we both know it wouldn't make a difference.
It's nearly Shabbat so I'm off until tomorrow.
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