Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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Once again pay attention to all the words and don't just skim. Here's another example of an ad hominem:

Person A: "Strawberry ice cream the the best flavour of ice cream."
Person B: "You're a jerk, therefore strawberry ice cream is not the best flavour."

This is an ad hominem because whether or not the person is a jerk has no effect on whether strawberry is the best flavour. I merely said you are a sycophant and I said so before you even tried to make any arguments. Since I didn't say you're wrong because you're a sycophant, ad hominem does not apply. You follow?

You DID however make another informal fallacy called the Gish gallop. This is where you try to overwhelm someone with endless points in order to wear them out or run out the clock. When they can't or won't take the hours and hours required to address everything, you declare you have "won" because the other person won't allow you to pointlessly waste their time. The reason this works often is because it takes virtually no time at all to ask/make 20+ questions/points but can take a very long time to answer them.

I'm not going to waste hours and hours of time refuting your nonsense list because I have not the desire, time or patience. Even if I did, we both know you would dismiss it anyway and move the goalposts.

The reason we know all this about you is because your questions are from templates, which is evident because they are not in order because you either forgot to or didn't bother fixing the numbering:



You just want to argue with people because it make you feel like you're right and the substance of their arguments are irrelevant. You and your fellow maga cultists are so deeply enmeshed and emotionally invested in Donald Trump that nothing anyone says will dissuade or convince you of anything. That's why it's called a personality cult.

For what it's worth, Trump repeatedly walked in on underage girls changing when he owned the miss teen USA pageant according to numerous contestants. He also spent considerable time with Jeffrey Epstein, who is beyond a doubt a pedophile, child abuser and trafficker. So according to you pedophilia and child trafficking is an instant disqualifier so I look forward to hear who you plan to now vote for in 2024.

Who are we kidding? You'll just claim it's all lies and/or make excuses because you don't actually care. This is all just your way of pretending to be some sort of critical thinker and tell yourself you're not a Trump sycophant boot licker.



Blah blah blah Trump good, hate Biden. We get it.
Interesting rant. But maybe you're missing a salient point:

A lot of people want Trump in office to wreck some stuff and people. Bad stuff and bad people.
They could care less who he is or what he is. Or even what he has allegedly done or not done.

As far as Biden........the dude is a loathsome lowlife criminal grifter who is obviously being blackmailed. Kamala is a wretched political parasite.......and totally useless.

Anyhoo..... looks like America is going with Trump. To bad so sad.
 

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But does Trump supporters like Nikki Haley?
I am not necessarily a “Trump supporter”. Although I will certainly vote for him as his policies the first go round, except for pushing the death jab, were awesome!

I will under no circumstances vote for Nikki Haley.

Trump, DeSantis, Vivek, YES.
Haley, Christie, NO.
 

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Interesting rant. But maybe you're missing a salient point:

A lot of people want Trump in office to wreck some stuff and people. Bad stuff and bad people.
They could care less who he is or what he is. Or even what he has allegedly done or not done.

As far as Biden........the dude is a loathsome lowlife criminal grifter who is obviously being blackmailed. Kamala is a wretched political parasite.......and totally useless.

Anyhoo..... looks like America is going with Trump. To bad so sad.
It is the same argument we saw when Trump was elected. You had two choices, Trump or Clinton. Instead of claiming Trump is so bad the real question is why would you have two terrible choices? Now it is Trump or Biden. As far as I am concerned, just like Clinton, no way I'm voting for Biden. You can't have a more obviously horrible choice for president. Regardless which way you look at it he has to be the worst choice imaginable.

So then what about Republicans? I supposed next to Trump the only half way decent one is Desantis, Chris Christy and Nikki Haley are terrible. Vivek is entertaining to watch but will be govern? However, I think Desantis is far worse than Trump on all counts, but he is so far behind in the polls it is a complete waste of time to consider him.

You don't get to choose from 1 million hypothetical choices, you get two and right now it looks like Biden or Trump. That is a no brainer. Even if you don't like Trump how could anyone vote for Biden?
 

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Interesting rant. But maybe you're missing a salient point:

A lot of people want Trump in office to wreck some stuff and people. Bad stuff and bad people.
They could care less who he is or what he is. Or even what he has allegedly done or not done.

As far as Biden........the dude is a loathsome lowlife criminal grifter who is obviously being blackmailed. Kamala is a wretched political parasite.......and totally useless.

Anyhoo..... looks like America is going with Trump. To bad so sad.
A rant is when someone screams and shouts or speaks in a highly emotional, impassioned way. I didn't do any of that. It's amazing how a mild, non-political joke can make people get so bent out of shape.
 

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This thread was obviously started to fish for ideas on how to campaign against Trump.

That list I gave you was simply a sampling of why Americans have had it with Biden. You said you aren't an American, so you are immediately disqualified from any debate on the merits of Biden vs Trump in the upcoming election.

For 70% of Americans they have had a belly full of Biden, they aren't going to put up with the lies anymore, and your getting involved is like someone sticking their nose into a domestic dispute that has nothing to do with them.

No one, including myself, is interested in debating people who do not have any say in this election on Biden vs. Trump.
Well apparently you were, because this is the comment that made you go ballistic:

It's quite comical that this thread titled "Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?" takes, as of this posting, 138 pages to answer "No".
A completely non-political mild joke. I made no comments whatsoever on Trump, Biden or American politics. You responded that you made such a list an people ignored it. I told you why people ignore it, because your nonsense list is an attack on Joe Biden based on conspiracies because you're a Trump boot licker. You would support Trump even if he did any of the things on your list anyway, like the thing I pointed out in my last response that you chose to ignore to no one's surprise.

However, you claimed that no one had made any suggestions on what Trump could do to sour people against him. That was patently false, all of the points I listed had previously been made in this thread. So your claim that it was a logical fallacy or some other lame tactic is false, it was simply the receipts proving your claim was false.

Afghanistan, WW3, the Economy, vaccine mandate, corruption.
Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. The logical fallacy, which was a jab because you brought up and misapplied ad hominem, was related to your exhaustive copy pasted list and not the responses from other users. My comment also did not say no one said anything, this was my comment:

It's quite comical that this thread titled "Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?" takes, as of this posting, 138 pages to answer "No".
I said the answer was "no", not that no one claimed such a condition would make them not vote for him. Since I don't believe you lack the ability to scroll back and re-read older posts I'll assume you are purposely misrepresenting my words in hopes everyone else is too lazy to actually check.

Your problem sweetheart is you are have worked yourself up into a rage about an incredibly benign comment that was intended as a mild joke. The reason you tried to pick a fight is because you're very angry and looking for someone to unload your political fury on. I'm just not biting because I don't care. I'm not going to respond to you anymore so feel free to scream into the aether.
 

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It is the same argument we saw when Trump was elected. You had two choices, Trump or Clinton. Instead of claiming Trump is so bad the real question is why would you have two terrible choices? Now it is Trump or Biden. As far as I am concerned, just like Clinton, no way I'm voting for Biden. You can't have a more obviously horrible choice for president. Regardless which way you look at it he has to be the worst choice imaginable.

So then what about Republicans? I supposed next to Trump the only half way decent one is Desantis, Chris Christy and Nikki Haley are terrible. Vivek is entertaining to watch but will be govern? However, I think Desantis is far worse than Trump on all counts, but he is so far behind in the polls it is a complete waste of time to consider him.

You don't get to choose from 1 million hypothetical choices, you get two and right now it looks like Biden or Trump. That is a no brainer. Even if you don't like Trump how could anyone vote for Biden?

Yeah, not much choice out there. I just vote for the person the globalists and democrats hate the most. I know they're going to cheat, but I don't want to make it easier for them to do so by not voting or by voting for their people. :giggle:


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Jim Jordan To CIA: How Many Hunter Biden Laptop Letter Signatories Were On Your Payroll?

House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, is investigating whether the 51 former intelligence officials who signed the infamous Hunter Biden laptop letter were paid by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

https://thefederalist.com/2023/12/0...-letter-signatories-were-on-the-cias-payroll/

[Remember that after the election a significant number of people that voted for Biden said they wouldn't have voted for him had they known the laptop was real. This is a major reason that Biden is an illegitimate president. Even if there had been no election fraud this one lie stole the election].
 

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Joe Biden offers bald-faced lies to all of America about his family affairs

“President Biden, on Ukraine and also China, there’s polling by the Associated Press that shows that almost 70% of Americans, including 40% of Democrats, believe that you acted either illegally or unethically in regard to your family’s business interests. Can you explain to Americans, amid this impeachment inquiry, why you interacted with so many of your son and brother’s foreign business associates?”

The president’s eyes narrowed, and his lip curled: “I’m not going to comment on that. I did not. And it’s just a bunch of lies.”

Nelson followed up: “You didn’t interact with any of their business associates?”

Prez denies & ditches
Biden spoke over him: “They’re lies,” he said, before answering: “I did not. They’re lies.”

Then he turned and walked out of the press conference.

So there you have it.

Three times on Wednesday, Joe Biden denied that he has interacted with his son Hunter and brother Jim’s business associates, when it is an undeniable, documented fact that he has interacted with them dozens of times.

Tony Bobulinski would like a word.

Bobulinski, Hunter’s business partner on the family’s joint venture with Chinese energy company CEFC, voluntarily provided testimony to the FBI that he met Joe on two occasions in Beverly Hills, Calif., in 2017, on May 2 and May 3.

On the first occasion, Jim and Hunter were present, and on the second, Bobulinski met with Joe alone.

“I am a former decorated naval officer who was willing to die for this great country and held the highest security clearance issued by the Department of Energy,” Bobulinski told The Post yesterday.

“Why is Joe Biden blatantly lying to the American people and the world by claiming that he did not meet with me face to face?

“He should call his son Hunter and brother Jim as they can remind him of the facts. The American people deserve the truth.”

“I call on Mr. Biden to stop lying and correct the record.”

If only that were possible.

But Joe Biden can’t stop lying.

The hole he has dug for himself is too deep.

The evidence already amassed by the three congressional committees working on the impeachment inquiry is overwhelming.

It comes in the form of subpoenaed bank records, sworn witness testimony, emails, text messages, WhatsApp messages, voicemails and photographs.

It shows that when Joe Biden was vice president, he was intimately involved in the lucrative scheme his son and brother were running to extract millions of dollars from countries that were America’s adversaries or supplicants and in which he wielded enormous power as the point man for the Obama administration.

As the product they were selling, he made himself available to meet with Hunter and Jim’s business partners, attending dinners and lunches, inviting them to breakfast at his vice presidential residence.

He spoke to Hunter’s foreign business associates on speakerphone at least 20 times, as Hunter’s former “best friend in business” Devon Archer has testified to Congress.

He flew Hunter with him on Air Force 2 to countries where Hunter was doing business, and made himself available to meet his son’s partners, such as the time he met Jonathan Li, in Beijing, in December 2013, shortly before Hunter received 10 percent of Chinese fund BHR.

To save time, Hunter would sometimes organize dinners where his father could meet associates from more than one country at a time.

For instance, as vice president, Joe attended a dinner in the private Garden Room at Georgetown’s Café Milano that Hunter organized for his dad to meet his foreign benefactors from Ukraine, Russia and Kazakhstan, as Archer testified to Congress, and as the White House has grudgingly acknowledged.

At that dinner was Vadym Pozharskyi, an executive at Burisma, the corrupt Ukrainian energy company that was paying Hunter $83,333 a month — at least until a few weeks after Joe left the vice presidency, at which time Hunter’s payment was cut in half.

Also on the guest list was Vladimir Putin-aligned Russian oligarch Elena Baturina, who paid $3.5 million to an account associated with Hunter and Archer, and her husband, the corrupt former mayor of Moscow, Yury Luzhkov.

Also at the dinner were two Kazakhstanis, then-Prime Minister Karim Massimov and oligarch Kenes Rakishev, who funneled cash into Hunter’s bank accounts.

They might like to have a word with Joe as well.

The corrupt selling out of America is bad enough.

But the cover-up of the Biden grift is even worse since it involves the corruption of institutions that are supposed to keep us safe: the FBI, DOJ and CIA.

Whistleblower heroics
The only reason we know about the cover-up is because a handful of noble whistleblowers from those institutions have exposed the wrongdoing, not least IRS investigators Gary Shapley and Joseph Ziegler, who met with the House Ways and Means Committee again this week to present additional evidence about how the DOJ and the Delaware US Attorney’s Office shielded Joe Biden from the investigation into his son.

Ziegler, formerly the chief IRS investigator on the case, revealed Wednesday that he was blocked from interviewing Bobulinski, who was able and willing to provide evidence about the Bidens’ CEFC joint venture, and the involvement of the “Big Guy,” Joe Biden, who had been slated to receive 10% of the proceeds before CEFC collapsed.

Ziegler testified that the “Hunter Biden investigative team, including myself, had asked the assigned prosecutors to conduct an interview of Bobulinski but we were denied that request, and were never able to interview him.”

“Interviewing Bobulinski would be normal process and procedure as a part of a criminal investigation for the team to corroborate evidence obtained in the investigation, elaborate on investigative leads, challenge some of the allegations made, and ask pertinent questions regarding the investigation. Again, this was not done!”

Ziegler and Shapley have repeatedly testified that all investigative avenues that would lead to Joe were blocked by Delaware Assistant US Attorney Lesley Wolf, under the mantle of US Attorney David Weiss and the Department of Justice, which obfuscated, hobbled and delayed the investigation with the effect that the statute of limitations ran out on the most serious tax and foreign lobbying charges against Hunter.

Attorney General Merrick Garland thinks he has covered the malfeasance by appointing Weiss as special counsel.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/06/opinion/joe-biden-is-lying-to-all-of-america-about-his-family-affairs/
 

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Nearly 70% of Americans believe Biden acted illegally or unethically regarding his family's business ventures

Nelson pointed to an Associated Press poll that found that nearly 70 percent of Americans, including 40 percent of Democrats, believe Biden acted illegally or unethically regarding his family's business ventures.

“Can you explain to the Americans, amid this impeachment inquiry, why you interacted with so many of your son and brother’s foreign business associates?” Nelson asked.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/sarah...aught-in-another-lie-n2632195#google_vignette
 

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After 2,791 posts the question that this thread has continuously had to face is "Can Biden do anything that would make those with TDS stop supporting him?"
 

ZNP

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I think it would be helpful if you gave us the line that Biden or Hillary would have had to cross that would cause you to not vote for them?
This is the question that no one has answered on this thread. Not a single person who questions why people would vote for Trump has answered this question on this thread. Why is that?
 

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Tucker Carlson BLOWS HOT at Joe Biden,Leaves him TOTALLY CONFUSED and its BEING BROADCASTED LIVE

 

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After 2,791 posts the question that this thread has continuously had to face is "Can Biden do anything that would make those with TDS stop supporting him?"
It appears to me that the Bidenista supporters are the real nutters. I mean what else can you say given the epically psychotic levels of denial?
 

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It appears to me that the Bidenista supporters are the real nutters. I mean what else can you say given the epically psychotic levels of denial?
They certainly are ephemeral and unstable, here one week, gone the next.
 

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"He had CROSSED the Line" Tucker Carlson ROAST President Joe Biden in OUTSTANDING SPEECH!!!
 

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Peter Doocy ROAST Joe Biden on LIVE BROADCAST and its ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS!!!