COVID-19 mRNA vaccines: How could anything developed this quickly be safe?

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ZNP

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"A rapid and substantial decrease in viral infectivity rates could be achieved by a short-term course of large-scale antiviral chemoprophylaxis (suitable candidates have already been identified) and adequate infection prevention measures while early treatment of symptomatically infected subjects and implementation of a healthy eating (including certain dietary supplements) and lifestyle (including exercise!) plan would further contribute to building herd immunity. "
These are good points, if we were really concerned about health this would be in the conversation. We have three effective therapeutic drugs and a mortality rate that is less than 1%. If you are not high risk with co morbidities I don't see the urgency to take an experimental drug that also has a mortality rate on par with the disease (for you). Obviously if you have co-morbidities, are obese, or elderly or some other high risk person the vaccine may be an option you would choose. However, every vaccine has toxicity and risks and refusing to talk about it and mandating it without allowing people to make an informed decision is not how you gain trust.
 

ZNP

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I have heard that NO....life insurance will NOT pay out!
Please confirm and post your findings.
I have no idea, I was asking the question. It is a mute point to me I'm not getting the vaccine. I already had Covid19 and have natural immunity, I see no scientific reason for me to get their shot.
 

ZNP

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Good thing that's not happening not a single person has been forced to take the vaccine
Really? I am a teacher in NYC and have been told that if I am not vaccinated I will have to wear a mask in the school while those who are vaccinated don't have to. It is going to be extremely difficult to teach class all day with a mask on. It will be akin to having to wear the star of David in Nazi Germany, only worse. It is the same as a leper having to say continually "unclean, unclean".
 

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Depends on what your definition of "forced" is.

If by forced you mean physically held down and having a needle thrust in you, then you are right.

But many have been fired from their jobs, for refusing, and now all sorts of Gov entities are FORCING their workers and even the military to get the injection or be fired or expelled.

And these measures are only getting worse every day.
Meh.. he who signeth the paychecks maketh the rules.....from the book Me
 

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Yep I agree. I don't mean any friction left or right but if their gonna try forcing people into taking an experimental drug,,well last time I saw that was when the BAYER company experimented on people(by force) in Nazi Germany. And so if I agree or disagree makes no difference if my heart is set to do right instead of wrong so there you have it. My suggestion is that everyone mount the argument that this is an "experimental drug" approved for "emergency use". And so they have no right to experiment on the United states citizens by force.
That may have been after the Tuskegee experiments in 1932, but in 1955 there was a whole mess with the polio vaccine, and there have been various conspiracy theories of many other unethical studies which have been done since then. Just because it is illegal doesn't mean they don't do it, rather it just means they are more discreet about doing it.
 

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I suggest you watch the current news they are are saying the cases are surging in every state...
According to the latest information, surges of infections are greatest in the countries with the highest vaccination rates. Overwhelmingly so...
 
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would life insurance pay out on an experimental shot which didn't have FDA approval?
I think they would be required to pay insurance premiums to people who die from covid-19 vaccinations.

I imagine they would most likely rule the death from a vaccine to be from natural causes rather than say the vaccine is a lethal injection.

Then again, I think there is a zero liability waiver signed with the vaccine so I don't know what that waiver says. It probably says that if you die then that's the risk you take for trying the vaccine. If true, then the cause of death would technically be from accidental causes. Insurance companies pay out for accidental death.

Good question. Just giving you some ideas. Maybe contact an insurance agent for more assistance.
 

ZNP

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According to the latest information, surges of infections are greatest in the countries with the highest vaccination rates. Overwhelmingly so...
Ah yes, survival of the fittest in action. You put up a barrier that stops 99% of the virus variants and this favors the 1%, soon it is the dominant strain sweeping through the land. Isn't Darwin wonderful, weird how all those proponents of Darwin are so clueless about the real implications of random mutations in a virus.
 

ZNP

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I think they would be required to pay insurance premiums to people who die from covid-19 vaccinations.

I imagine they would most likely rule the death from a vaccine to be from natural causes rather than say the vaccine is a lethal injection.

Then again, I think there is a zero liability waiver signed with the vaccine so I don't know what that waiver says. It probably says that if you die then that's the risk you take for trying the vaccine. If true, then the cause of death would technically be from accidental causes. Insurance companies pay out for accidental death.

Good question. Just giving you some ideas. Maybe contact an insurance agent for more assistance.
I'm pretty sure we have given the Pharma companies an exemption from liability.
 

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We all were taught in junior or high school that is why you don't/can't make a vaccine for a corona virus, the mutation is too rapid. duh
You build up the immune system, something dr.phony fauci and his fellow demonic entities NEVER mention.
 

shittim

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Looks like the covid scam was created to bring out the killer v-a-x-
 

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Looks like the covid scam was created to bring out the killer v-a-x-
That was exactly the plan. A Chinese military scientist had already applied for a vaccine patent before Wuhan virus was released. Failed Remdesiver was also patented just at the outbreak. Plans for a Plandemic were in the works since at least 2000. And the most appalling thing is that formerly respected medical journals were a part of the conspiracy. They attacked HCQ and supported all the bogus information regarding the "pandemic" and the "vaccines". All public health agencies worldwide were working together to deceive the public.

But this whole scam is not just about billions of dollars to Big Pharma. It is about the elimination of the free world and constitutions, and the establishment of tyranny in the West. It is now being established through mask and vaccine mandates, while free speech is being suppressed, and law-abiding protestors against this tyranny are being labeled "anarchists" (just like protesters on January 6 have been labeled "terrorists" and "insurrectionists"). But the real domestic terrorists like BLM and Antifa are getting a free pass.
 

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Meh.. he who signeth the paychecks maketh the rules.....from the book Me
Yes. They make rules related to WORK, NOT what gets injected into my body.
 

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I think most people would rather die than admit they were wrong. At some point you’d think they’d have to admit to at least themselves “ I can’t believe I was so stupid to believe the world had my best interests at heart”

The vaccine is not only a danger in a half dozen different ways, but it doesn’t even work! So you are risking your life for what?

CDC Director Now Says ‘New Data’ Shows Breakthrough Cases in Vaccinated People Can Spread as Much Virus as Unvaccinated
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky is now saying that “new data” shows breakthrough cases in vaccinated individuals can spread as much virus as an unvaccinated person.
The CDC has now changed course yet again and is now calling for fully vaccinated Americans to wear masks indoors in places with “substantial or high” transmission — including “universal masking” in schools.

“In rare occasions, some vaccinated people infected with a delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others,” Walensky said during a press briefing on Tuesday. “This new science is worrisome, and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendation.”
Walensky claimed that “new information” gathered last week shows that those infected with the delta variant could carry the same viral load as unvaccinated, infected people, according to a report from ABC News.

Despite giving these new recommendations, the CDC director continued to demand that people go get vaccinated.
“Getting vaccinated continues to prevent severe illness, hospitalization and death, even with delta. It also helps reduce the spread of the virus in our community. Vaccinated individuals continue to represent a very small amount of transmission occurring around the country,” Walensky said.

The CDC had issued guidance earlier this month that suggested vaccinated students and staff were fine to go to school without masks.
“CDC recommends localities encourage universal indoor masking for all teachers, staff, students, and visitors to schools, regardless of vaccination status,” the CDC wrote in a summary of the new guidance. “Children should return to full-time in-person learning in the fall with proper prevention strategies are in place.”
Walensky claimed that the news that vaccinated people will still have to wear masks “weighs heavily” on her.
“This weighs heavily on me. I know at 18 months through this pandemic, not only are people tired, they’re frustrated,” Walensky said. “And I know, in the context of all that, it is not a welcomed piece of news that masking is going to be a part of peoples lives who have already been vaccinated.”
She claimed that vaccinated people will have to wear masks again due to people who opted not to take the jab — continuing to pit the nation against each other.

“This moment, and most importantly, the associated illness, suffering and death could have been avoided with higher vaccination coverage in this country,” Walensky said.
Walensky added that if more people don’t get vaccinated, the virus could mutate to “potentially evade our vaccines.”
 

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I think most people would rather die than admit they were wrong. At some point you’d think they’d have to admit to at least themselves “ I can’t believe I was so stupid to believe the world had my best interests at heart”

The vaccine is not only a danger in a half dozen different ways, but it doesn’t even work! So you are risking your life for what?

CDC Director Now Says ‘New Data’ Shows Breakthrough Cases in Vaccinated People Can Spread as Much Virus as Unvaccinated
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky is now saying that “new data” shows breakthrough cases in vaccinated individuals can spread as much virus as an unvaccinated person.
The CDC has now changed course yet again and is now calling for fully vaccinated Americans to wear masks indoors in places with “substantial or high” transmission — including “universal masking” in schools.

“In rare occasions, some vaccinated people infected with a delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others,” Walensky said during a press briefing on Tuesday. “This new science is worrisome, and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendation.”
Walensky claimed that “new information” gathered last week shows that those infected with the delta variant could carry the same viral load as unvaccinated, infected people, according to a report from ABC News.

Despite giving these new recommendations, the CDC director continued to demand that people go get vaccinated.
“Getting vaccinated continues to prevent severe illness, hospitalization and death, even with delta. It also helps reduce the spread of the virus in our community. Vaccinated individuals continue to represent a very small amount of transmission occurring around the country,” Walensky said.

The CDC had issued guidance earlier this month that suggested vaccinated students and staff were fine to go to school without masks.
“CDC recommends localities encourage universal indoor masking for all teachers, staff, students, and visitors to schools, regardless of vaccination status,” the CDC wrote in a summary of the new guidance. “Children should return to full-time in-person learning in the fall with proper prevention strategies are in place.”
Walensky claimed that the news that vaccinated people will still have to wear masks “weighs heavily” on her.
“This weighs heavily on me. I know at 18 months through this pandemic, not only are people tired, they’re frustrated,” Walensky said. “And I know, in the context of all that, it is not a welcomed piece of news that masking is going to be a part of peoples lives who have already been vaccinated.”
She claimed that vaccinated people will have to wear masks again due to people who opted not to take the jab — continuing to pit the nation against each other.

“This moment, and most importantly, the associated illness, suffering and death could have been avoided with higher vaccination coverage in this country,” Walensky said.
Walensky added that if more people don’t get vaccinated, the virus could mutate to “potentially evade our vaccines.”
NYC wanted to require non vaccinated teachers to wear a mask, well with this out you have to ask why the vaccinated are not wearing masks. The house of cards is collapsing.
 

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Walensky added that if more people don’t get vaccinated, the virus could mutate to “potentially evade our vaccines.”
This sentence belies their satanic plan they have had all along.

As the vaccinated get sick, and many die, the people who had discernment and didn’t take the death shot will be blamed.

At that point there will be a fight.
 

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“This moment, and most importantly, the associated illness, suffering and death could have been avoided with higher vaccination coverage in this country,” Walensky said.
Walensky added that if more people don’t get vaccinated, the virus could mutate to “potentially evade our vaccines.”
Hold everything, you can't simply look at the US, you have to look at the world. If you have 100,000,000 who are not vaccinated in the US that is chump change compared to the billions not vaccinated worldwide. If it is true that the vaccine would stamp out the illness if all 7.5 billion got vaccinated then you have to present your plan on how to do that. If you have no intention of vaccinating 3 billion people then they are lying, the 3% of the non vaccinated in the US is the least of our problems.
 
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