Georgia man murdered while jogging. Judge declines to press charges

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Truth7t7

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The TMZ clip is too late for anybody to say whether the kill was justified.

Both parties did not act with wisdom.
Arbery was killed because he was a violent threat, as he attacked the armed man, trying to take his weapon.
 
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Thanks for that. Well according to the articles a citizens arrest can take place only if the citizen is sure that the person has done wrong.

These men did not catch Arbery in the act of any wrong doing, neither did they receive any such information.
 
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Thanks for that. Well according to the articles a citizens arrest can take place only if the citizen is sure that the person has done wrong.

These men did not catch Arbery in the act of any wrong doing, neither did they receive any such information.
And for that they are now charged with murder.
 

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The TMZ clip is insufficient evidence of this.

The armed man could have been attacking him before film rolled.

Arbery was killed because he was a violent threat, as he attacked the armed man, trying to take his weapon.
 

Truth7t7

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The TMZ clip is insufficient evidence of this.

The armed man could have been attacking him before film rolled.
Fake News

Arbery was 40 feet behind the armed mans truck, as he quickly approached and ran towards the armed man in front of the truck, attacking him violently, while trying to take his weapon

Arbery the violent attacker was killed in self defense.
 

Desdichado

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The camera drifts out of focus in what is arguably the most important point. It doesn't give us a clear record of what was said either. If shotgun man pointed at him saying "you're dead meat," well then you have a valid case of somebody defending themselves. This very well could have happened. It's also possible Arbery was attacking them, but the idea he was kind of strains credulity if indeed he was aware there were several armed men in the truck.

The point is the video presents more questions than answers. If you're content to rest on that, I'll remember not to hire you as an attorney should I ever need one.

One does have to wonder why he would be running towards the truck and not away from it, but people don't always make smart decisions when they're jacked up on adrenaline and it isn't against the law to try and run past somebody's truck.

Fake News

Arbery was 40 feet behind the armed mans truck, as he quickly approached and ran towards the armed man in front of the truck, attacking him violently, while trying to take his weapon

Arbery the violent attacker was killed in self defense.
 

Truth7t7

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The camera drifts out of focus in what is arguably the most important point. It doesn't give us a clear record of what was said either. If shotgun man pointed at him saying "you're dead meat," well then you have a valid case of somebody defending themselves. This very well could have happened. It's also possible Arbery was attacking them, but the idea he was kind of strains credulity if indeed he was aware there were several armed men in the truck.

The point is the video presents more questions than answers. If you're content to rest on that, I'll remember not to hire you as an attorney should I ever need one.

One does have to wonder why he would be running towards the truck and not away from it, but people don't always make smart decisions when they're jacked up on adrenaline and it isn't against the law to try and run past somebody's truck.
You arent gonna change the facts of what my eyes, and the thousands of others have seen.

Arbery ran "Towards" the armed man, quickly from the right side of this truck.

Arbery violently beat the armed mans face, while trying to take his weapon.

Arbery was killed in self defense, simple!
 

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You arent gonna change the facts of what my eyes, and the thousands of others have seen.
Equally important is what isn't seen when the camera flips out of focus. A lot can happen within a second that alters what we will make of this fact pattern.

Arbery ran "Towards" the armed man, quickly from the right side of this truck.
That's plain. Why did he decide to charge the man?

Arbery violently beat the armed mans face, while trying to take his weapon.
Also plain, but again we have to ask the question why.

Arbery was killed in self defense, simple!
Nope, it's a possibility the video evidence doesn't make plain. There is a broken link in the chain of causation.

Honestly, the biggest point in your favor is that Arbery ran towards the truck rather than away from it. If he turned tail and ran in the opposite direction, it would have shown a clearer intention to avoid a fight, but perhaps he didn't realize they were going after him. Dudes roaming around with guns is not an uncommon sight in the South.
 

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You arent gonna change the facts of what my eyes, and the thousands of others have seen.

Arbery ran "Towards" the armed man, quickly from the right side of this truck.

Arbery violently beat the armed mans face, while trying to take his weapon.

Arbery was killed in self defense, simple!
That is seen AFTER the gun is fired out of view. Peculiar that you do not see firing a gun point-blank at someone as assault or violent.
 

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You unlawfully detained someone with a shotgun and expect him not to fight back?
 

Lanolin

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let me get this straight, someone was out jogging and someone fired a shot. the jogger heard it and ran toward the guy with the weapon to try and take it off him but was killed by this man with a gun.
why was the guy with a gun shooting people in the first place?

why would you even do that? seems a bit pyscho. I would think the jogger was trying to prevent this armed man from killing anybody. if he wasnt shooting in a shooting range or hunting for food what in Gods name was he doing shooting people?
 

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personally if this guy was on the loose shooting people at random hes the nutter that ought to be locked up, and his weapons confiscated.

David couldnt do much when Saul went crazy trying to kill him with a javelin. He just had to hide. But people with deluded power shouldnt go round toting weapons firing them at random people just cos they cant deal with their anger.
 

Lanolin

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if anybody could get though to saul they would have had to explain to him...see this javelin...its to see how far you can throw it. Its not to be used to kill people. Understand?

do NOT kill people with it. see this baseball bat? you use it to play baseball.
Oh and this knife? You use it to cut up food, you dont stab people with it.
 
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You unlawfully detained someone with a shotgun and expect him not to fight back?
If it ever happens to you and someone confronts you with a shotgun,aggressively pull on the barrel and commit suicide.
There will be plenty of people to talk later about how you did the right thing at your funeral.

But ALWAYS ASSUME ANYONE WITH A GUN IS GOING TO KILL YOU. THAT WAY YOU CAN COMMIT SUICIDE WISELY WHEN YOU ATTACK THEM.
 
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You unlawfully detained someone with a shotgun and expect him not to fight back?
You act like the ONLY CHOICE when confronted with a shotgun is to violently pull on the barrel.
Last days deception.

Falling for the propaganda and race baiting.
 

Truth7t7

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You act like the ONLY CHOICE when confronted with a shotgun is to violently pull on the barrel.
Last days deception.

Falling for the propaganda and race baiting.
Arbery ran towards the armed man from 40 feet "Behind" the truck?

He rushed the armed man who was standing still infront of the truck?

Arbery violently beat the armed mans face, while trying to take his weapon?

Arbery the violent attacker was killed in (Self Defense) a "Fact"!

Nobody's going to change the facts in the attached TMZ clip

In the attached 40 second TMZ clip
 
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I have not watched the video. But It is said there were three shots.

Was Arbery still struggling with them after the first shot? Or the second?

The men said they shouted at Arbery that they only wanted to talk to him. OK then, why scare him with the gun?

They said Arbery resembled a burglar that had been causing trouble in the area. Has there been any descriptions or photos of that person who Arbery is suppose to resemble?

The men must have been very sure that Arbery and the burglar were one and the same to approach him that way. OK so when they saw him running along the road, why didn't they at that time before confronting him, call the police?

They had his picture on his phone. Why not stop pursuing him then and hand his picture over to the police and let them handle it from there?

The men said they took their guns, just incase Arbery had a gun also. Ok so what would have happened, a shoot out?

Is it the right of a civilian to "arrest" someone who they aren't even sure is a felon?

I've heard it said, if you come across a person who is wanted or is a person of interest to the police that you should notify the police. I have not heard that the civilians should get their guns and go talk to them to investigate the case themselves or "arrest" them.

Arbery's mom said she was told at first that her son was a suspect and died during a burglary attempt. What's up with that?
I understand your not watching the video.


Arbery was running at a casual jogging pace toward the pick up truck that was occupied by 2 men. One in the bed, one exiting from the drivers door. Arbery was just left of center on the road. The truck still had all 4 wheels on the roadway.

It appears that Arbery saw that the driver had a shotgun as he got closer to the truck as he quickly changed the direction of his jog but did not change his jogging pace. It cannot be determined that arbery saw the handgun being held by the older man in the bed. It is possible Arbery did not consider him a threat as he was older and over weight.

Arbery ran close to the trucks right side. As soon as he cleared the right front fender there is a gunshot. The shooter was about parallel with the left side of the truck and a few front in front. I am guessing here - probably 6 to 8 feet away from arbery.

Arbery then rushed the shooter and a struggle ensued for control of the gun. The struggle continued out of frame of the cell phone and a second shot is heard..

The struggle comes back in frame and a third shot is heard. After that arbery takes about 6 steps and falls to the pavement.

Just to add an opinion,
There's a good possibility that arbery did not view the older man as a threat because of his age as he has a grey bread and he was over weight. The shooter was a threat because he was younger but still overweight and his gun was visible. The older mans gun might not have been visible. Arbery was young and in athletic condition.

Turns out that a pump action shotgun loaded with buckshot was used. That means the shooter reloaded twice during the struggle.
Arbery had wounds to his right wrist and 2 to the chest. The wound to his wrist could have happened from the first or second shot. 2 pellets were in his wrist. From the video, there appears to be a bloodstain to his upper right chest from the second shot just below his armpit. This would have weakened him making the third shot easier.

The third shot appears to be to the left chest of arbery. It was the fatal shot. Elasped time from being shot to actual death would depend on what internal damage was done.


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With all that said, this happened about 50 miles away from me so local news is watching developments. All 3 men charged had a bond hearing yesterday. It came out that the shooter was known in his neighborhood as a racist. The man who took the video quoted the shooter to Georiga Bureau of Investigation officers after he had shot Arbery as saying "fn n*****"
 

Lanolin

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is it safe to go out jogging in Georgia? Do people just shoot anyone all the time?
I guess the jogger took a huge risk. I am not sure If I was out jogging and saw someone with a gun to try and take it off them, I would probably report it if I saw or heard someone shooting.

we had a guy shoot 50 people dead in a christchurch mosque last year, some nutter. unlike america, guns arent everywhere so it is not common to see people armed. But this guy did not get way with it and then try and say 'I was shooting 50 people dead in self defense as all these people at the mosque were trying to attack me'. they werent even! they were just going about their business. Children too.
 

Lanolin

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he was an australian racist...he got deported back to australia. ugh.
a lot of people are racist there and call anyone who is not like them horrible names. For anyone who is not white we felt really sad because it seemed to be based on colour. It was known he was into white supremacy.