Israel Declares War

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Underwhosewings

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Same old same old

Cain hated Able

Ishmael hated Isaac

Esau hated Jacob

Hate and more hate

Matthew 4:17 KJV
From that time
Jesus began to preach, and to say,

Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 

Needevidence

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I thought he was Hitler? This thread gets more insane by the minute.



Don't put words in my mouth, thank you. I responded to a post where someone said God did not command the Amalekites to wipe our a nation, I quoted the verses that said He did. Had no bearing on the subject. Had we been living in OT times, I believe God would have ordered the same. But we are living in grace, lucky for a lot of people.



Propaganda, it isn't happening. BTW why are Arab states not helping their own displaced people?




You know what happens when you assume? Don't!

Not propaganda have the site has the original letter available - https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/israeli-doctors-urge-the-bombing-of-gaza-hospitals/

So, what source do you use for your information?
 

HeIsHere

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Wow.

Guess it's a good thing that Jesus thanked the Father for revealing the truth unto little children. Don't think they spent a lot of time at libraries either.

Wow. Let's be civil, please.
Do you think being called anti-Semitic is civil?
 

HeIsHere

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You have no idea what I've read or what my sources are.




Rebut your comment that Hitler who wrote Mein Kampf, is no different than Churchill? A 5th grader could rebut that comment!
If you had primary sources you would be more accurate in your assessment of the situation, and if you examined all material that would also greatly enhance your understanding.

This is not just for you, this is generally speaking for all of us, but most people do not have to, nor are they will/able to invest the time, in which case better to be less strident in one's position since more likely one does not have the full picture and is wrong.

Your binary view of everything does not really work in reality but you can live there if you want to.

The fact that you think a fifth grader has enough knowledge of political history says a lot.

I really need to put you on mute now, your constant affirmation of the killing of innnocent lives is very troubling to me.
 
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Do you think being called anti-Semitic is civil?
Isn't that kind of hard for a Christian to be? I mean, our Saviour is Jewish. He called Himself "Lord of the Sabbath". I just don't see how a Christian could be anti-Semitic. I'd just let that one roll off you. Better for your blood pressure.
 

HeIsHere

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you need to read the facts from an independent source - he was a Zionist, high mason, racist and so on...

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/what-darkest-hour-doesnt-tell-you-about-winston-churchill/

But then you seem to agree with Israel prime minister / leaders and Zionist rabbis who quote the bible and say the Palestinians are the 'Amalekites' and all should be killed including men, women, children and all live stock.

Even Israeli doctors say Palestinians hospitals should be bombed - never ever heard a Dr ever say that - they dedicate their lives to saving lives.

So genocide goes on.....

By the way you won’t hear it on Fox news or main media - google is easy broaden your horizons
Aside from his evil philosophy the historical record is clear, millions died needlessly because of his imperialism.
 

HeIsHere

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Isn't that kind of hard for a Christian to be? I mean, our Saviour is Jewish. He called Himself "Lord of the Sabbath". I just don't see how a Christian could be anti-Semitic. I'd just let that one roll off you. Better for your blood pressure.
She called others anti-Semitic so it has nothing to do with me.
 

Moses_Young

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It could, but what are your thoughts of the Olivet discourse?
I believe it talks about the completion of the end of Daniel's prophecy (destruction of Jerusalem), but also the end times (coming of the Son of Man). It's a bit messy (as to how some parts can refer to the end of Jerusalem, and some parts the end times, but that's the best I can come up with). The interpretation of Daniel's prophecy ending in 70AD is very satisfying - everything makes sense. I can't do that with Revelation - there are parts that don't add up and don't give me the same feeling of fulfillment (ergo I conclude its still to occur).

I am not sure what you mean about Trump, I agree that he did stall the plans of the military industrial complex, not sure if that was by Godly design, I do not ascribe to Calvinist determinism.
People have agency.
It's sort of like a movie - the whole election rigging thing, vaxx mandates, the works. The courts and media sat on their hands while it was going on, now these are slightly coming around. Strings are being pulled like in a great puppet show. They have Trump planned to somehow stop nuclear WW3 in 2024 (I'm fairly sure), but to what ends?

I'm seeing/thinking now that the Satanists planned the state of Israel (maybe) as some sort of false fulfillment of bible prophecy, so when Christians start inventing things the bible doesn't say (e.g. Israel can never be destroyed, we can't rebuke the Chosen Ones, the Palestinians are not a people but are Amalek and must all be genocided etc. etc.), they can use this against the church later to discredit it once again. Also, Christians that took these things to heart that God really did say some things (which He didn't) may be very disheartened if the opposite occurs.

My view is that if the things planned for Trump do happen, he could well be fulfilling prophecy, or it could be someone wants it to look like he's fulfilling prophecy. A big show if the latter, but then, so is/was the state of Israel.
 

PennEd

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So you admit that "targeting" Hamas and killing civilians is also targeting "their [Palestinian] own people". Finally, someone else admitting a truth they don't normally want to admit out loud.

Israel and pro-Israel people have been hiding behind the narrative that "Israel has the right to defend themselves" when we point out that they are blowing up more children than Hamas terrorists. They say "Israel isn't targeting the civilians, they are targeting Hamas". However, when the scenario is reversed, you say "Israel wouldn't target their own people". Exactly! You aren't grasping what you're admitting by saying this. You're explicitly stating that Israel would be targeting their own people when they "target Hamas" if they were hiding within Israel and used the same tactics. However, when Israel "targets Hamas" and kills more Palestinian children, you say "Israel isn't targeting them".

Read this a few times and I promise you'll understand what you just confessed.
I’m not sure I’m “admitting” anything.

Other than the fact that in every war civilians die in efforts to destroy an enemy.

What war hasn’t that happened?

But I was more addressing the silliness of the question. “ Would Israel conduct the war in the same manner if hamas were hiding in Israel, or using Israelis as human shields, in Israel”.?

With that ridiculous rationale, Israel could TODAY wipe every person, their own people held hostage included, off the Gazan map!
 

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What is silly to me is all this discussion telling me that Israel should conduct their war in a better way so that they don't kill innocent civilians. Why are you telling us? They need to go talk to the leaders of Israel. To my knowledge none of the generals or people in charge of the IDF are reading this forum. Smoke, Heishere, why are they telling us? Go and talk to Netanyahu.

If you can't get in touch with him right now then go and talk with the Lord of all.
 

cv5

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If you had primary sources.....
Given your amillennialistic proclivities, further, your 70AD theories that kick Israel to the curb forevermore, I can declare with the utmost confidence that you are ignoring THE primary source material.....the Bible.

Frankly, you have never defended your case with any rigor or vigor.
 

PennEd

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Just excellent remarks from Israel’s former Prime Minister:

 

cv5

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So you admit that "targeting" Hamas and killing civilians is also targeting "their [Palestinian] own people". Finally, someone else admitting a truth they don't normally want to admit out loud.

Israel and pro-Israel people have been hiding behind the narrative that "Israel has the right to defend themselves" when we point out that they are blowing up more children than Hamas terrorists. They say "Israel isn't targeting the civilians, they are targeting Hamas". However, when the scenario is reversed, you say "Israel wouldn't target their own people". Exactly! You aren't grasping what you're admitting by saying this. You're explicitly stating that Israel would be targeting their own people when they "target Hamas" if they were hiding within Israel and used the same tactics. However, when Israel "targets Hamas" and kills more Palestinian children, you say "Israel isn't targeting them".

Read this a few times and I promise you'll understand what you just confessed.
Let me say first of all that I am taking no side in this debate or war. As for me I only want all wars to end. This of course will not happen until the SC.

Having said that, the Gazans need to evacuate immediately in order to save their lives. Simple self-preservation MUST be the primary mandate by each person and family. The neighboring Muslim nations MUST take in refugees during war-time. This is standard procedure.

The disturbing reality is that the surrounding nations could care less about the Gazan citizens. It seems that these nations would prefer to leave them there as mere political tokens to suffer the consequences.
 

cv5

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Just excellent remarks from Israel’s former Prime Minister:

Taking hostages is terrorism. It is not in any sense legitimate warfare.
 

Moses_Young

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Let me say first of all that I am taking no side in this debate or war. As for me I only want all wars to end. This of course will not happen until the SC.

Having said that, the Gazans need to evacuate immediately in order to save their lives. Simple self-preservation MUST be the primary mandate by each person and family. The neighboring Muslim nations MUST take in refugees during war-time. This is standard procedure.

The disturbing reality is that the surrounding nations could care less about the Gazan citizens. It seems that these nations would prefer to leave them there as mere political tokens to suffer the consequences.
Wouldn't it be better to embargo Israel, as they are the ones causing the trouble now? As you probably know, no country really wants to take refugees, 'cause it always causes problems. Seems especially wrong that the state of Israel causes a problem, and you want other countries to have to pay? Why did the state of Israel stand its military down? And now that the attack is well and truly over, why are Israel still bombing and attacking civilians? It's a criminal regime, and the top criminal is clinging to power. I think he's going to lose it, and I hope his crimes are exposed for the world to see.
 

cv5

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Wouldn't it be better to embargo Israel, as they are the ones causing the trouble now? As you probably know, no country really wants to take refugees, 'cause it always causes problems. Seems especially wrong that the state of Israel causes a problem, and you want other countries to have to pay? Why did the state of Israel stand its military down? And now that the attack is well and truly over, why are Israel still bombing and attacking civilians? It's a criminal regime, and the top criminal is clinging to power. I think he's going to lose it, and I hope his crimes are exposed for the world to see.
Israel will not stop. Obvious fact. Therefore Gazans need to evacuate if they want to survive. Obvious fact.

Your political theories do not make any difference whatsoever.
 

Smoke

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You should ask Hamas how they feel about the people in Gaza because they say "Hamas la yakun maeak",,,it means "not Hamas problem ,Hamas not be with you"(meaning Hamas not be with the people of Gaza)...
No need to ask terrorists what they think. I know they don't care. That's a good distinction I suppose on how Israel isn't Hamas. Hamas doesn't care about either side's civilians, Israel just doesn't care about Palestinian civilians.