Kristallnacht 2:0

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JohnDB

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I dunno....those 1400 dead bodies tho...terrible mutilations, rapes that actually broke the pelvis of women, babies burned alive....hostages taken.....

people do tend to speculate even though there is still alot to happen

but a kerfluffle? so glad that does not worry you :whistle:
Because the IDF and Israel are now awake and gonna take care of the situation. They won't falter or stumble and will ignore everyone until they get those responsible. The whining and crying about how the IDF is killing children is not even going to be recognized by them. They will be deaf to such claims.

Payback is a female dog when it's the IDF getting payback. Because the IDF is extremely thorough. Those Palestinian leaders in luxury hotels? If I was them I'd be busy finding disguises and bolt holes to hide in.
 
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Because the IDF and Israel are now awake and gonna take care of the situation. They won't falter or stumble and will ignore everyone until they get those responsible. The whining and crying about how the IDF is killing children is not even going to be recognized by them. They will be deaf to such claims.

Payback is a female dog when it's the IDF getting payback. Because the IDF is extremely thorough. Those Palestinian leaders in luxury hotels? If I was them I'd be busy finding disguises and bolt holes to hide in.
a female dog? we all know what you mean. interesting deflection. sounds like you just wanted to put in your 2.5 cents with nothing noteworthy. good job
 

JohnDB

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a female dog? we all know what you mean. interesting deflection. sounds like you just wanted to put in your 2.5 cents with nothing noteworthy. good job
Hey!
You owe me change! I only put 2 cents in.
 

montana123

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Jeremiah 16

14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lordliveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.


I was wondering, observing the spiritual force of hatred against Israel among some right now if we are not looking at the moment when the “hunters” will be coming, causing Jews worldwide to return to Israel?
The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to them at that time, and He said it is not for them them to know the time and season that the Father has put in His own power.

God said He is going to gather the whole house of Israel back to their land, and leave none of them in the nations anymore.

And they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from the again which they be in the truth from that time forward.

Jesus said that the Jews house will be desolate until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord, which is when Israel as a nation turns to Jesus as their Messiah.

The Bible says Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, and so all Israel shall be saved.

God said He is going to make a full end of all the Gentile nations, but not make a full end of Israel, but they will not be wholly unpunished.

It is here, and it going down.

The United Nations has been operating since 1945 to work for peace on Earth, and now they want a one world government.

They have been using scare tactics to get the people on board to want to work for peace on Earth.

When Israel and Hamas started fighting the nations started dividing themselves spewing out threats, and warnings, but this is a scare tactic to get the people to accept a one world government.

The war between Israel and Hamas is going to be the war of the world.

They want to keep Israel and Hamas, Arabs, fighting with each other, and keep up with the threats, and warnings, dividing the world in to 2 big groups siding with either Israel or the Arabs, and they want to cause the people of the world to fight with each other siding with one of the groups.

Israel does not fight unless provoked, but the Arabs will start lashing out.

It is WW3 but without the militaries fighting but the people of the world fighting that will engulf the whole world with the nations governments going against each other as a scare tactic, and the people of the world going at each other.

When they are satisfied that they have fought enough, and crying out they want peace, then the New Age Christ, antichrist, will negotiate peace in the Middle East which will result in a 7 years peace treaty.

This will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will make it happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land, but God means it for good towards the Jews.

The world will be divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section that are in league with the New Age Christ.

The New Age Christ will push the agenda of the new age movement to try to change the world to that belief system which he will think to change times and laws.

Nothing can be taught contrary to the new age movement which there will be a unified religious system with all religions interpreted by the new age movement that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and there is no personal God.

For the next three and one half years they will move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, which is United Nations Agenda 21 a sustainability act which 179 nations agreed to it in 1992.

The people become the police force of the cities.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast is something stuck under the skin of a person that will identify them, and a scar of service to the New Age Christ, antichrist.

The people of the cities will be given a microchip linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.

They can track people's movement, and know what they are doing, and where they are at, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system which no person can buy or sell except those that have the chip.

The beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind but their technology, and devices, can help to stop crime on Earth.

When the world takes the microchip which is the mark of the beast then the people will have the nature of the devil, and belong to the devil, and salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles, and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

Then God will send 2 witnesses to Israel to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, and after three and one half years Israel as a nation will be in the truth.

The world will attack Jerusalem, the Jews, and Jesus will come back with His saints and defeat the world, and save the Jews, and the kingdom on Earth will be restored to them.

God said He is going to gather all nations together against Jerusalem and then go forth, and fight against them, which He is going to cause Jerusalem to be a burdensome stone unto all people, and all people who burdens themselves with it shall be cut in pieces although all the people of the Earth is gathered together against it.
 

FRB72

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#46
The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to them at that time, and He said it is not for them them to know the time and season that the Father has put in His own power.

God said He is going to gather the whole house of Israel back to their land, and leave none of them in the nations anymore.

And they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from the again which they be in the truth from that time forward.

Jesus said that the Jews house will be desolate until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord, which is when Israel as a nation turns to Jesus as their Messiah.

The Bible says Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, and so all Israel shall be saved.

God said He is going to make a full end of all the Gentile nations, but not make a full end of Israel, but they will not be wholly unpunished.

It is here, and it going down.

The United Nations has been operating since 1945 to work for peace on Earth, and now they want a one world government.

They have been using scare tactics to get the people on board to want to work for peace on Earth.

When Israel and Hamas started fighting the nations started dividing themselves spewing out threats, and warnings, but this is a scare tactic to get the people to accept a one world government.

The war between Israel and Hamas is going to be the war of the world.

They want to keep Israel and Hamas, Arabs, fighting with each other, and keep up with the threats, and warnings, dividing the world in to 2 big groups siding with either Israel or the Arabs, and they want to cause the people of the world to fight with each other siding with one of the groups.

Israel does not fight unless provoked, but the Arabs will start lashing out.

It is WW3 but without the militaries fighting but the people of the world fighting that will engulf the whole world with the nations governments going against each other as a scare tactic, and the people of the world going at each other.

When they are satisfied that they have fought enough, and crying out they want peace, then the New Age Christ, antichrist, will negotiate peace in the Middle East which will result in a 7 years peace treaty.

This will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will make it happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land, but God means it for good towards the Jews.

The world will be divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section that are in league with the New Age Christ.

The New Age Christ will push the agenda of the new age movement to try to change the world to that belief system which he will think to change times and laws.

Nothing can be taught contrary to the new age movement which there will be a unified religious system with all religions interpreted by the new age movement that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and there is no personal God.

For the next three and one half years they will move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, which is United Nations Agenda 21 a sustainability act which 179 nations agreed to it in 1992.

The people become the police force of the cities.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast is something stuck under the skin of a person that will identify them, and a scar of service to the New Age Christ, antichrist.

The people of the cities will be given a microchip linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.

They can track people's movement, and know what they are doing, and where they are at, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system which no person can buy or sell except those that have the chip.

The beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind but their technology, and devices, can help to stop crime on Earth.

When the world takes the microchip which is the mark of the beast then the people will have the nature of the devil, and belong to the devil, and salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles, and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

Then God will send 2 witnesses to Israel to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, and after three and one half years Israel as a nation will be in the truth.

The world will attack Jerusalem, the Jews, and Jesus will come back with His saints and defeat the world, and save the Jews, and the kingdom on Earth will be restored to them.

God said He is going to gather all nations together against Jerusalem and then go forth, and fight against them, which He is going to cause Jerusalem to be a burdensome stone unto all people, and all people who burdens themselves with it shall be cut in pieces although all the people of the Earth is gathered together against it.
A “problem, reaction, solution” approach to the present Middle East tensions would propel the individual who successfully fulfilled Daniel 9:27 into global fame and acclamation.

I used to think that nobody would fall for this, then I saw how many have fell for the pro-Palestine marches.

My only prayer right now is that I can reach those the Lord has put in my life with the gospel while there is still time for them.
 

Sculpt

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The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to them at that time, and He said it is not for them them to know the time and season that the Father has put in His own power.

God said He is going to gather the whole house of Israel back to their land, and leave none of them in the nations anymore.

And they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from the again which they be in the truth from that time forward.

Jesus said that the Jews house will be desolate until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord, which is when Israel as a nation turns to Jesus as their Messiah.

The Bible says Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, and so all Israel shall be saved.

God said He is going to make a full end of all the Gentile nations, but not make a full end of Israel, but they will not be wholly unpunished.

It is here, and it going down.

The United Nations has been operating since 1945 to work for peace on Earth, and now they want a one world government.

They have been using scare tactics to get the people on board to want to work for peace on Earth.

When Israel and Hamas started fighting the nations started dividing themselves spewing out threats, and warnings, but this is a scare tactic to get the people to accept a one world government.

The war between Israel and Hamas is going to be the war of the world.

They want to keep Israel and Hamas, Arabs, fighting with each other, and keep up with the threats, and warnings, dividing the world in to 2 big groups siding with either Israel or the Arabs, and they want to cause the people of the world to fight with each other siding with one of the groups.

Israel does not fight unless provoked, but the Arabs will start lashing out.

It is WW3 but without the militaries fighting but the people of the world fighting that will engulf the whole world with the nations governments going against each other as a scare tactic, and the people of the world going at each other.

When they are satisfied that they have fought enough, and crying out they want peace, then the New Age Christ, antichrist, will negotiate peace in the Middle East which will result in a 7 years peace treaty.

This will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will make it happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land, but God means it for good towards the Jews.

The world will be divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section that are in league with the New Age Christ.

The New Age Christ will push the agenda of the new age movement to try to change the world to that belief system which he will think to change times and laws.

Nothing can be taught contrary to the new age movement which there will be a unified religious system with all religions interpreted by the new age movement that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and there is no personal God.

For the next three and one half years they will move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, which is United Nations Agenda 21 a sustainability act which 179 nations agreed to it in 1992.

The people become the police force of the cities.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast is something stuck under the skin of a person that will identify them, and a scar of service to the New Age Christ, antichrist.

The people of the cities will be given a microchip linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.

They can track people's movement, and know what they are doing, and where they are at, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system which no person can buy or sell except those that have the chip.

The beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind but their technology, and devices, can help to stop crime on Earth.

When the world takes the microchip which is the mark of the beast then the people will have the nature of the devil, and belong to the devil, and salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles, and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

Then God will send 2 witnesses to Israel to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, and after three and one half years Israel as a nation will be in the truth.

The world will attack Jerusalem, the Jews, and Jesus will come back with His saints and defeat the world, and save the Jews, and the kingdom on Earth will be restored to them.

God said He is going to gather all nations together against Jerusalem and then go forth, and fight against them, which He is going to cause Jerusalem to be a burdensome stone unto all people, and all people who burdens themselves with it shall be cut in pieces although all the people of the Earth is gathered together against it.
So what do you think should be the position of Christians, Israel and Palestinians today regarding the two-state solution (1) and every individual's intention to act in peace (2)?
 

Sculpt

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A “problem, reaction, solution” approach to the present Middle East tensions would propel the individual who successfully fulfilled Daniel 9:27 into global fame and acclamation.

I used to think that nobody would fall for this, then I saw how many have fell for the pro-Palestine marches.

My only prayer right now is that I can reach those the Lord has put in my life with the gospel while there is still time for them.
So, what do you think should be the position of Christians, Israel and Palestinians today regarding the two-state solution (1) and every individual's intention to act in peace (2)?
 

FRB72

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So, what do you think should be the position of Christians, Israel and Palestinians today regarding the two-state solution (1) and every individual's intention to act in peace (2)?
Two interesting questions…

On the “two-state solution”, is there a Biblical encouragement to divide Israel with neighbouring nations?

Secondly, do the events of end-time prophecy indicate that peace will always be an option for Israel? If not, what circumstances would necessitate armed conflict?
 

ZNP

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So, what do you think should be the position of Christians, Israel and Palestinians today regarding the two-state solution (1) and every individual's intention to act in peace (2)?
I assume this question is for all on this thread as you could have DM'ed anyone if you were just directing this to them.

I hold the same position about Israel as I do concerning your car. If the car belongs to you then you get to decide what to do with it and I have no say. Likewise, Israel belongs to God and He gets to give it to whoever He wants and I and the rest of the world needs to but out.
 

Nehemiah6

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So what do you think should be the position of Christians, Israel and Palestinians today regarding the two-state solution (1) and every individual's intention to act in peace (2)?
The time for a two state solution is long gone. It is now war to the finish.

There was a time when Israel was in possession of both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. But they failed to ensure that (1) the Palestinians had another proper homeland and (2) that Israel would also ask the Muslim Arabs living within Israel to leave and join the others. That would have ensured peace in Palestine.

I have already mentioned a couple of times that the Palestinians should have been give a suitable new homeland in Saudi Arabia. They have lots of land, tons of money, and are also Sunni Muslims. And all the Muslim/Arab nations which came against Israel in the Six Day War would have been asked to contribute to the welfare of the Palestinians. They could have had ten times the area of the Gaza strip and no one would suffer.
 

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The time for a two state solution is long gone. It is now war to the finish.

There was a time when Israel was in possession of both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. But they failed to ensure that (1) the Palestinians had another proper homeland and (2) that Israel would also ask the Muslim Arabs living within Israel to leave and join the others. That would have ensured peace in Palestine.

I have already mentioned a couple of times that the Palestinians should have been give a suitable new homeland in Saudi Arabia. They have lots of land, tons of money, and are also Sunni Muslims. And all the Muslim/Arab nations which came against Israel in the Six Day War would have been asked to contribute to the welfare of the Palestinians. They could have had ten times the area of the Gaza strip and no one would suffer.
#perspective

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Sculpt

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Two interesting questions…

On the “two-state solution”, is there a Biblical encouragement to divide Israel with neighbouring nations?

Secondly, do the events of end-time prophecy indicate that peace will always be an option for Israel? If not, what circumstances would necessitate armed conflict?
"Divide Israel"? What do you mean by that? I guessing you mean the land area specified to Abraham “’Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates” (Genesis 15:18)? Or is it the land specified to Israel in Num 34, which is quite a bit different than Gen 15?

Or did God exile the people of the two kingdoms as punishment? With the biblical prophecies, and the actual return of Israelites, there isn't a specification of new boundary lines. That being the case, should we assume it's more the general area, but not any specific boundary lines?

And what is the method to be used to take possession of the land? Shall it be any peaceful means, more akin to Abraham. Or killing as was with taking Canaan, "Deuteronomy methods"?

When Eza came back, they possessed the land, but they didn't use the Deuteronomy killing methods. God ordained it, through the permission of Persian King, as the area was part of the Persian Empire. I wouldn't say that specific method was in scripture ("a Biblical encouragement" as you put it) before it happened. And yet that was the way it would be.

Sounds like you're saying the two-state solution can't be a part of how Israel is to be. But I don't understand you're reasoning. The UN established the two states. Israel was created from half of Palestine, not from a division of Israel.
 

Sculpt

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I assume this question is for all on this thread as you could have DM'ed anyone if you were just directing this to them.

I hold the same position about Israel as I do concerning your car. If the car belongs to you then you get to decide what to do with it and I have no say. Likewise, Israel belongs to God and He gets to give it to whoever He wants and I and the rest of the world needs to but out.
Yes, you are very welcome to this conversation.

The US was involved in the creation of the current state of Israel in 1948, and the UN Partition Plan. You're saying that was a mistake, the wrong thing to do, right?

And when US President Jimmy Carter facilitated a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt (The Camp Daivid Accords 1979), which the Israeli president welcomed... you believe this was the wrong thing to do?

You wrote, "Israel belongs to God and He gets to give it to whoever He wants". What Israel are you talking about? Sound like you mean the land? Is that correct? If so, how are you defining its boundaries and why?

Are you saying all nations should ignore what's happening in every nation not their own? Or just this "Israel" area of land? Didn't Christ say, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." And James wrote, "a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace."
 

Sculpt

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The time for a two state solution is long gone. It is now war to the finish.

There was a time when Israel was in possession of both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. But they failed to ensure that (1) the Palestinians had another proper homeland and (2) that Israel would also ask the Muslim Arabs living within Israel to leave and join the others. That would have ensured peace in Palestine.

I have already mentioned a couple of times that the Palestinians should have been give a suitable new homeland in Saudi Arabia. They have lots of land, tons of money, and are also Sunni Muslims. And all the Muslim/Arab nations which came against Israel in the Six Day War would have been asked to contribute to the welfare of the Palestinians. They could have had ten times the area of the Gaza strip and no one would suffer.
So, you're saying Israel should have removed all muslim arabs from their family homes that they've owned for generations in the West Bank and Gaza by force (because history already has recorded they didn't want to leave). And "send" them to the other arab countries that said, at the time, they didn't want? Saudi Arabia is mostly desert, especially the area just south of Israel. That sounds extraordinarily cruel, don't you think? Is that a Christ-like attitude?
 

ZNP

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Yes, you are very welcome to this conversation.

The US was involved in the creation of the current state of Israel in 1948, and the UN Partition Plan. You're saying that was a mistake, the wrong thing to do, right?

And when US President Jimmy Carter facilitated a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt (The Camp Daivid Accords 1979), which the Israeli president welcomed... you believe this was the wrong thing to do?

You wrote, "Israel belongs to God and He gets to give it to whoever He wants". What Israel are you talking about? Sound like you mean the land? Is that correct? If so, how are you defining its boundaries and why?

Are you saying all nations should ignore what's happening in every nation not their own? Or just this "Israel" area of land? Didn't Christ say, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." And James wrote, "a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace."
Couple of questions here.

1. I am saying the land belongs to God and He has clearly given it to Israel. It is arrogant for the US, or the UN or anyone to come along and say they will give half of it to someone else. I don't tell you what to do with your house or car, who are you to tell God what to do with what is his?

2. The boundaries are a second thorny issue. Yes, the boundaries are very clear that they go all the way to the Euphrates, but that is really something for God to resolve. At this point I am simply warning others to but out, eventually the whole world will unite against Israel and be destroyed at Armageddon. Thinking you know better leads to Armageddon, so you have been warned.

3. When you say that "every nation should ignore what's happening in every nation not their own" you are including a whole lot more than boundaries. We don't ignore human rights abuses, we don't ignore terrorists, or human traffickers or drug traffickers coming from one nation to another. We have trade agreements and that has to include many other things as well. But when was the last time we tried to tell China or India where their boundaries should be? That would be outrageous.

What I said should be limited to what I said. You have no more right to divide Israel than you do to divide China or India. You are not a peacemaker, you are a trespasser. In order to be a peace maker you need to pay the price for a peace offering. Dividing Israel's land is not paying the price, we are making Israel pay the price. That is what bully's do, not what peacemakers do.
 

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Jeremiah 16

14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lordliveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

15 But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.


I was wondering, observing the spiritual force of hatred against Israel among some right now if we are not looking at the moment when the “hunters” will be coming, causing Jews worldwide to return to Israel?
Good question. Israel was founded in direct response the the holocaust. Jews has been fleeing Germany since Hitler came to power and some before that.

I wonder if Jews will think that Israel is not a safe place to live, being surrounded by hostile nations that would be only too happy to eradicate her. I don't know any Jews. The hatred against Jews is nothing new. Rome took over the country in about AD 135 and made it a province of the Roman empire, hence the name "Palestine". Jews did not help themselves. Constant rebellion and internal division led to the end of Israel as a nation. Only God could bring her back, almost a resurrection from dead.
 

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Remember the 6 Days War. Remember how Israel was attacked on day one (or was it the day after?) it was refounded.
Israel was invaded before the ink was dry on Ben-Gurion's signature.
 

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Yes, you are very welcome to this conversation.

The US was involved in the creation of the current state of Israel in 1948, and the UN Partition Plan. You're saying that was a mistake, the wrong thing to do, right?

And when US President Jimmy Carter facilitated a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt (The Camp Daivid Accords 1979), which the Israeli president welcomed... you believe this was the wrong thing to do?

You wrote, "Israel belongs to God and He gets to give it to whoever He wants". What Israel are you talking about? Sound like you mean the land? Is that correct? If so, how are you defining its boundaries and why?

Are you saying all nations should ignore what's happening in every nation not their own? Or just this "Israel" area of land? Didn't Christ say, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." And James wrote, "a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace."
How can Israel make peace with surrounding hostile actors that simply want them dead?

I watched an interesting clip earlier where Piers Morgan was discussing this with a pro-Palestinian man, and also the words of a pastor looking at the wider prophetic landscape…