Obama to tell Supreme Court to allow homosexual marriage today.

[AgeofKnowledge]

I've known people that grew up with two "parents" of the same sex and they turned out dysfunctional to the extreme. None of them are Bible believing Christians who live out God's Word in their life except one and her husband is a doped out adulterer negatively affecting their children. But even if they had turned out as normal Christians, which they certainly did not, I disagree with Nautilus's ungodly "do what thou wilt" philosophy regarding homosexual marriage for very good reasons which I have already provided in this thread.

If he showed the same passion for God's legitimate right to define His marriage covenant as Nautilus puts into defending the "right" of homosexuals to defile God's marriage covenant, I'd give two cents about anything he has to say on the issue. As of now, he just works against God while claiming he doesn't care.

 

[Nautilus]

So for someone to be a decent person to you they have to be a christian? I can think of many productive and helpful members to society who are not religious in any way

 

[zone]

So for someone to be a decent person to you they have to be a christian? I can think of many productive and helpful members to society who are not religious in any way

hi Naut.
since the thread seems to be about political and cultural activism to advance social changes through the promotion of homosexual lifestyles....and you've brought the notion of decency into it:

de·cen·cy *(dsn-s)
n. pl. de·cen·cies
1. The state or quality of being decent; propriety.
2. Conformity to prevailing standards of propriety or modesty.
3. decencies
a. Social or moral proprieties.
b. Surroundings or services deemed necessary for an acceptable standard of living.
decency [ˈdiːsənsɪ]
n pl -cies
1. (Sociology) conformity to the prevailing standards of propriety, morality, modesty, etc.
2. the quality of being decent

why is it hard for you to understand and appreciate that even if this were merely a personal adult sexual preference issue (and it most certainly isn't), decency is absolutely not the word to use.

some gays as human beings are absolutely more socially responsible and non-socially destructive than their vast-majority counterparts in heterosexuality.

this is not about that.

this is about the whole picture - all the ramifications for the greater society at large when an indecent (see above def) social movement gains momentum and power and actually alters the existing society.

for you to keep denying this is happening is nonsense Nautilus.
making the argument that 'oh, if we don't like it just don't have gay sex' is totally vacuous.

the overwhelming majority of human beings who haven't lost touch with reality are opposed to homosexuality (not the people - the consequences of it - one of which is always the promotion of it in spite of decency - see above def.).

 

[Nautilus]

Oh yes these terrible insinuated and conspiratorial theories that if gay marriage is allowed families will implode and husbands and wives leave their spouses and cling to same sex partners, meanwhile children in schools are going to be brainwashed and the girls will be in wood shop while the boys learn to cook and make up. And lets not forget the same sex couples who will be adopting children just for deviant purposes. Yeah I've heard all the conservative arguments against it before...I still think its over-reaction and fear-mongering. Not things that are actually going to happen.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

This has zero to do with cooking and wood shop. One wonders what kind of a person would introduce such fallacious reasoning into a serious discussion like this one.

One of the many devastating consequences for children in an abominable defiled homosexual "marriage" is that the children are subjected to systematic indoctrination in the devil's false epistemology via their deceived and sexually immoral guardians rather than being taught God's true epistemology by genuine Christian parents who properly model the latter for them in the household within God's covenant as per His design which is clear in scripture.

Demons want people to depart from the true faith that God has revealed and the abomination of a "homosexual marriage" consisting of two (or more) sexually immoral deceived homosexuals provides just the right environment for deceiving spirits to operate in. It's difficult to imagine any genuine Christian submitting children to that environment.

Note: 1 Corinthians 6:9, Romans 1:27, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9, Jude 1:7, etc...

 

[Nautilus]

Ok so do you support removing children from atheist parents? You say homosexual parents wont raise their children to be christian...well neither would atheist folks, but I dont see you going on about them. It makes me think you concern is less about the children and moreso just using them as a prop for your argument. In which case that makes me sick.

 

[zone]

Ok so do you support removing children from atheist parents? You say homosexual parents wont raise their children to be christian...well neither would atheist folks, but I dont see you going on about them. It makes me think you concern is less about the children and moreso just using them as a prop for your argument. In which case that makes me sick.

i dont speak for AoK
but i am FOR not giving kids to sodomite couples. and not allowing them access to them.
clear enough?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

What makes me sick is to see someone who claims to be a Christian align so closely with the devil and work so hard against God.

The reason why I'm not "going on about them" is because the topic of this discussion is about homosexuals marrying and not about atheists nor atheism.

I'm also not talking about aliens, purple spotted sheep, nor whether or not seriously developmentally disabled people can accept the Gospel.

It is not an abomination for a male atheist and a female atheist to marry though indoctrinating their children to believe in the false worldview of atheism is morally wrong.

It is an abomination for homosexuals to marry whether or not they are atheists falsely indoctrinating their children to believe in the false worldview of atheism which is morally wrong.

And that's what this discussion is about: homosexuals marrying.

Feel free to start a thread on the consequences to children of atheism in the home. I'll be happy to participate in that separate discussion if others take an interest.

But first, you should really take the advice I gave to you years ago (advice you immediately disregarded and failed to employ) and take a logic 101 class. It will help you not to draw false correlations and engage in fallacious reasoning like you currently do, despite continual repetitive correction, with the ease of a fool.

Ok so do you support removing children from atheist parents? You say homosexual parents wont raise their children to be christian...well neither would atheist folks, but I dont see you going on about them. It makes me think you concern is less about the children and moreso just using them as a prop for your argument. In which case that makes me sick.

 

[Lightwalker]

i dont speak for AoK
but i am FOR not giving kids to sodomite couples. and not allowing them access to them.
clear enough?

Same here. I don't believe children should be handed over to same sex couples.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Ok so do you support removing children from atheist parents? You say homosexual parents wont raise their children to be christian...well neither would atheist folks, but I dont see you going on about them. It makes me think you concern is less about the children and moreso just using them as a prop for your argument. In which case that makes me sick.

It makes you sick that people feel it is best for children to be raised by a traditional family, and one that acknowledges God? As a Christian I would think you would at least understand why people do not support a lifestyle that is an abomination.

What is more important in the end? Pleasing God or pleasing man?

Gay marriage weakens the respect of the institution of marriage. God is the one that instituted marriage, and is the one that clearly defines it. NOT MAN. God never did say "marry who you want."
The government can "change" marriage all they want to benefit the lifestyle of ungodly people, but that doesn't change what marriage is. It is between a MAN and a WOMAN, and saying God has no place in government still doesn't change that God is the Creator, and the one who defined what marriage is. Letting gays marry is still WRONG even if it is legal.

Also, a child raised by same sex couples will be confused about gender roles, and research has PROVEN that children are more likely to have psychological issue from this. Let's just go ahead and lets gays adopt kids. Who cares how much is screws them up in the future! Daddy and daddy LOVE each other! That's all that matters. Right?
Just because a group of people choose not to believe homosexuality is wrong doesn't mean it is acceptable. We all have freedom of religion, but most religions are against homosexuality. Making things acceptable in society that is an abomination to God is doing nothing more than setting a nation up for a fall.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Obviously anyone that has a right epistemology and cares about children will be against both same-sex marriage and adoption of children into homosexual run households.

As I stated, one of the many devastating consequences for children in an abominable defiled homosexual "marriage" is that the children are subjected to systematic indoctrination in the devil's false epistemology via their deceived and sexually immoral guardians rather than being taught God's true epistemology by genuine Christian parents who properly model the latter for them in the household within God's covenant as per His design which is clear in scripture.

Demons want people to depart from the true faith that God has revealed and the abomination of a "homosexual marriage" consisting of two (or more) sexually immoral deceived homosexuals provides just the right environment for deceiving spirits to operate in. It's difficult to imagine any genuine Christian submitting children to that environment.

Note: 1 Corinthians 6:9, Romans 1:27, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9, Jude 1:7, etc...

Same here. I don't believe children should be handed over to same sex couples.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Obviously, this is NOT about hating homosexuals. It NEVER was. We do NOT hate them. This is about LOVING God, LOVING children, LOVING homosexuals, LOVING non-homosexuals, and LOVING humanity enough to align with God and his design for marriage, families, and humanity and against the lies of the devil... plain and simple.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Naughtiness, are you clear yet!

Get down and give me 50 son!

 

[my_saceredheart]

Absolutely disgusting

 

[zone]

if you can stand it, just look at this "expert" article purporting to say gay men are not inclined to pedophilia:

Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation < click

the first half of the article uses POLLS (public opinion after decades of indoctrination)! it shows what people used to "believe" (know) and what they now "believe" (have accepted). this is somehow "proof" that the idea is a myth, now being dispelled.

then it proceeds to say actual research on whether it's true or not is hard to pin down.

ya sure....see, it's this sort of overarching agenda that ticks me off....new-speak and group-think sets the dialectic.
history, common sense, personal experience and newspaper headlines should be obvious!

 

[RoboOp]

I had a Western colleague at a university in Asia who was known to be homosexual. What we didn't know was that he was also a pedophile. Well, at least in his beliefs. He was exposed by the local newspaper, which even sent a reporter to try to interview him. The newspaper article revealed some interesting things about our colleague that we didn't know:

1. He was formerly a Catholic priest
2. He was currently doing a doctoral thesis on pedophilia
3. He was a member of a pedophilia website, where a synopsis of his thesis was posted

I browsed the website, and read his posted thesis statement, and it was all so academic. The logic was that just as homosexuality is now being accepted, pedophilia will be next -- pedophiles will have equal rights as well, and should.

But I had one big question in my mind:

WHERE DO YOU GET THE KIDS????

WHOSE KIDS DO YOU USE?????

Well I can't imagine even Obama being for that.

But I don't think it's a big secret that many homosexual men like BOYS (of all ages).

It's also no big secret that many men become gay because they were molested by a gay, as a BOY.

I personally counseled one student who told me that he was gay, but he didn't want to be gay. He was molested from childhood by an uncle for years. If that happened to me (continually as a boy), I would probably turn out gay as well (until being born again).

Praise God that student is now born again and set free from that bondage.

But yes it's all very connected!

And imagine............ giving a little boy to two gay men. Well, the government is doing exactly that in some states. And ALL THE STATES will start doing it -- all across America little boys will be given to pairs of perverted gay men -- if Obama has his way and the Supreme Court follows his lead.

 

[Nautilus]

Gay marriage weakens the respect of the institution of marriage.

Yes the institution of marriage that was strongly upheld until then and not made a joke by divorces, affairs, conveniences, for money, for green cards and annulments? its seems like some people have a rose-colored glasses view that marriage is somehow a pure institution even though its been distorted and perversed for years.

Ok so its morally wrong...fine. But we live in a republic if a majority of people think it should be legally right and it becomes so then who cares? You still have your moral high ground to look down on all the sinful marriages if you so desire...

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

RoboOp,

Christianity was birthed in a wicked pagan culture full of homosexuality and pederasty. In rejecting the God of the Bible's revelation for humanity, Western Civilization is coming full circle, by steps, back to where it began. Atheism is really an intermediate step away from God on the road way back to a false spiritual worldview.

Futurist Christians believe the growing atheist population in the West will suddenly get "religion" when the anti-Christ shows up. They'll also get the mark of the beast!

The big question is how many so-called "Christian" hangerons will go too?

 

[Nautilus]

you know what im done...i cant continue to respond to this thread without possibly losing my temper. clearly this is just one subject we will never see eye to eye on. I wish you all well.

 

[loveme1]

Though one lady or man can have children before partaking in a same sex relationship.

I know recently here of the court awarding the mother and her same sex partner her children from her marriage to a man.

The children obviously want to be with their mother and it is the mother putting them in that position ultimately because she decided to leave her husband for the woman. Regardless what the court ruled.

All comes back to "self"

Children are being raised in same sex relationships and this reflects the world we live in.

Not agreeing with something can be labeled hate.

I believe it is all boiling over.......

It is oppressive and a result of disobedience to our Creator.

We witness the outcome...

We are surrounded by evil influences posing as "good"

Good is According to the Almighty not man.