PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET THE COVID SHOT.

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PennEd

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You can use emotional appeal by showing pictures of people who died tragically, but no matter how many times you do it, it still doesn't make correlation equal causation. I don't think you understand what that even means or you wouldn't be arguing with it.
So in other words, you just want to write off the untold thousands that have been killed by the vaccine.

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Magenta

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You can use emotional appeal by showing pictures of people who died tragically, but no matter how many times you do it, it still doesn't make correlation equal causation. I don't think you understand what that even means or you wouldn't be arguing with it.
Obviously he does not :rolleyes::censored:
 

iamsoandso

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Maybe that's the misunderstanding then in what VAERS is and why they would be deleting the numbers. VAERS is part of the CDC https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html and so they keep track of those who died,had adverse reactions after receiving the vaccine. So if someone has taken the vaccine and died or had a problem then it is reported to VAERS then they investigate each case to see if it was related to the vaccine or not. If it was not related to the vaccine then the case is eliminated from the totals on VAERS site.

Heres another explanation of the same. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html
 

Smoke

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People need to protect their minds and hearts from those conspiratorial web sites it changes the wiring in the brain, very sad, they

need to be deprogrammed but do not even know it.
They needed a place to flock to to get their information from after Q'anon all but died after the prophecy of their orange calf, Donald Trump, didn't remain in office didn't come to pass this past Jan. So rather than Q'anon non-sense, we are hearing the vaccine is 99.9% graphene oxide and is the mark of the beast. Out with the old, in with the new.
 

Smoke

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Somebody compared the freedom from taking the vaccine or not to smoking and other health hazards. You can't smoke inside a building anymore... You're kicked to the outside if you light a cigarette... So um, yeah and people are mad for not being let inside if they're not vaccinated? Well people (like me) don't want unvaccinated people spreading this thing to our kids or others if they are immunocompromised.Well [me Ray i am not afraid of the "vacc"But gentiles should be looking to christian as light of hope not the other way around. earth doctors r just that. and it's insane to think hope be in vaccine & not god.]
I'm with you on the vaccine part, but at the same time, we have to let people decide for themselves. I don't want people to be forcibly vaccinated. That would make me exponentially more weary of the vaccine if I'm being honest. Rather, I want people to choose to get vaccinated on their own volition and stop listening to all the misinformation from high school production level "news sources" that have been debunked time and time again.
 

Smoke

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I agree that correlation does not equal causation and I agree that we don't know that the vaccine caused his death. If I was a close relative I would want to see an autopsy of the heart. Then we could know.

However, there is a "causation" for why these two things are correlated (once we have eliminated random chance). Simply saying you haven't proved that one is the cause of the other doesn't change the fact that we still need to find the causation.
Agreed! We need more information in other words, right? To label this a vaccine death is irresponsible and dangerous without knowing the cause of the heart attack. Just like saying the guy who leukemia died as a result of being vaccinated is completely irresponsible and dangerous. What's next... a guy gets in a car accident on his way home from getting his vaccine and dies.... he died from the vaccine and not the car accident??? That's what they were doing when people had covid and died in a car accident... lets just do it to push the anti-vax agenda though...
 

Smoke

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So in other words, you just want to write off the untold thousands that have been killed by the vaccine.

Got it
You say "write off", I say look into it. Extract factual medical information and not pull the trigger and instantly assume the cause of death was because of the vaccine. We don't just say "person got vaccine.... person died... person died because of vaccine".

I understand if this is a novel idea to you... but hopefully you'll understand one day (God willing).
 

Magenta

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EXACTLY - the level of wickedness completely SATURATED the entire being to the point of MIND CONTROL, but by/from WHO???

Again, this 'the Days of Noah' are connected to the MARK
Are you trying to say that born again Christians are under the mind control of Satan if they have received the vaccine?
 

ZNP

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Agreed! We need more information in other words, right? To label this a vaccine death is irresponsible and dangerous without knowing the cause of the heart attack. Just like saying the guy who leukemia died as a result of being vaccinated is completely irresponsible and dangerous. What's next... a guy gets in a car accident on his way home from getting his vaccine and dies.... he died from the vaccine and not the car accident??? That's what they were doing when people had covid and died in a car accident... lets just do it to push the anti-vax agenda though...
You have the answer, your blood will tell us if there is blood degradation.
 
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correlation equal causation.Sure patterns can warrant further investigation.You want to make sure there is not a false premise.Sin causes false thinking that's not a false premise{causation =sin} correlation=False thinking}Correlation in this case is pattern.[premise is the starting point such as suger is sweet therefor it's good to eat]
 
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flygplan

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I'm with you on the vaccine part, but at the same time, we have to let people decide for themselves. I don't want people to be forcibly vaccinated. That would make me exponentially more weary of the vaccine if I'm being honest. Rather, I want people to choose to get vaccinated on their own volition and stop listening to all the misinformation from high school production level "news sources" that have been debunked time and time again.
I don't expect or want that either, I don't think even common vaccines are forced (for non migrant people). However, of course there will be restrictions put in place (and there should) to where people can go who have or have not have been vaccinated. I need to be vaccinated for my job, not because my employer inherently wants to fire me if I don't; but because the countries I will fly into could require it. Just like if you fly to some places in Africa, you need to bring your yellow fever shot record with you. This is nothing new, this is how regulations work in the world, and the way it has been when it comes to different diseases throughout the years.
 

Smoke

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correlation equal causation.Sure patterns can warrant further investigation.You want to make sure there is not a false premise.Sin causes false thinking that's not a false premise{causation =sin} correlation=False thinking}Correlation in this case is pattern.[premise is the starting point such as suger is sweet therefor it's good to eat]
Yes, or in the case of my family member who died of a brain aneurysm at age 26 (perfect bill of health from his doctor prior) inside his non-denominational Christian church... Man goes in non-denominational church... man dies... non-denominational church caused his death.

Sure, he went to church twice a week... sure he died while at church... but if that's all the information you require for your expert autopsy, you're not even qualified to play the board game Operation.

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ZNP

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I don't expect or want that either, I don't think even common vaccines are forced (for non migrant people). However, of course there will be restrictions put in place (and there should) to where people can go who have or have not have been vaccinated. I need to be vaccinated for my job, not because my employer inherently wants to fire me if I don't; but because the countries I will fly into could require it. Just like if you fly to some places in Africa, you need to bring your yellow fever shot record with you. This is nothing new, this is how regulations work in the world, and the way it has been when it comes to different diseases throughout the years.
If you have been vaccinated there is a simple way for you to have the winning argument that can convince everyone. Have some university with access to decent equipment put your blood on a slide, take a picture and then put that picture side by side with healthy blood cells. If you have been fully vaccinated and there is no blood degradation you have shown that the vaccine does not necessarily cause blood degradation. That is huge because adverse reactions in some people is not the same thing as adverse reactions in all people.
 

ZNP

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Yes, or in the case of my family member who died of a brain aneurysm at age 26 (perfect bill of health from his doctor prior) inside his non-denominational Christian church... Man goes in non-denominational church... man dies... non-denominational church caused his death.

Sure, he went to church twice a week... sure he died while at church... but if that's all the information you require for your expert autopsy, you're not even qualified to play the board game Operation.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa! This goes against critical race theory. Before we know if someone is or is not qualified to do the autopsy we need to know the race, the gender, and if they belong to a group that has historically had bias shown against it. If the answer is yes then I'm sorry, but they are qualified and you are a bigot.
 

Roughsoul1991

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These facts won’t matter to the lemmings. No matter how much data, no matter how many expert immunologists, no matter how many deaths, they are COMMITTED to follow this path of destruction:

Ultra-Vaxxed Israel’s Crisis Is a Dire Warning to America

“I don’t want to frighten you,” Israel’s COVID czar Dr. Salman Zarka told parliament this week. “But… unfortunately, the numbers don’t lie.”

Noga Tarnopolsky
Updated Aug. 24, 2021 7:51AM ET

JERUSALEM—The massive surge of COVID-19 infections in Israel, one of the most vaccinated countries on earth, is pointing to a complicated path ahead for America.

In June, there were several days with zero new COVID infections in Israel. The country launched its national vaccination campaign in December last year and has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, with 80 percent of citizens above the age of 12 fully inoculated. COVID, most Israelis thought, had been defeated. All restrictions were lifted and Israelis went back to crowded partying and praying in mask-free venues.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ultra-vaccinated-israels-debacle-is-a-dire-warning-to-america
Israel has proven that we must be prepared to live with the virus. Many experts believe it will become a endemic and return every year. So in less people want a vaccine booster or a new vaccine every 6 months to a year, we best just accept viruses are part of the world.

Israeli authorities have opted for a model they are calling “living with corona.”
 
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flygplan

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Israel has proven that we must be prepared to live with the virus. Many experts believe it will become a endemic and return every year. So in less people want a vaccine booster or a new vaccine every 6 months to a year, we best just accept viruses are part of the world.

Israeli authorities have opted for a model they are calling “living with corona.”
As far as I know, the vaccine is to be taken regardless of we living with this virus, regardless from it becoming endemic. It's to avoid severe reactions to COVID-19. Especially for the ones who are more vulnerable.
 
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As far as I know, the vaccine is to be taken regardless of we living with this virus, regardless from it becoming endemic. It's to avoid severe reactions to COVID-19. Especially for the ones who are more vulnerable.
I am not afraid of or concerned about getting "the virus". I'm good.

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Roughsoul1991

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As far as I know, the vaccine is to be taken regardless of we living with this virus, regardless from it becoming endemic. It's to avoid severe reactions to COVID-19. Especially for the ones who are more vulnerable.
As with any pandemic, it primarily affects the elderly, immune comprise, the unhealthy, and sometimes children. It hits and people live/die. But the world has always kept moving forward with nothing like we are seeing now. In fact, I wonder if our reaction has made it worse when compared to other pandemic death tolls.

We should only be worried about the vulnerable and allow them to decide. Otherwise we live on. We very well could be helping the virus to mutate due to vaccines and boosters.
 
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flygplan

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As with any pandemic, it primarily affects the elderly, immune comprise, the unhealthy, and sometimes children. It hits and people live/die. But the world has always kept moving forward with nothing like we are seeing now. In fact, I wonder if our reaction has made it worse when compared to other pandemic death tolls.

We should only be worried about the vulnerable and allow them to decide. Otherwise we live on. We very well could be helping the virus to mutate due to vaccines and boosters.
Yes. I agree with you for the most part, however, vaccines/boosters have never proven to be what helps the virus mutate, it's just biology, the strongest strands persist and are harder to get rid of, and viruses do mutate so they can adapt to hosts. Bacterial illnesses might resist to medicine to antibiotics. But this is not the case with how vaccines work.
 
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Why do those who are not "anti Covid vaccine" need to post information on risk/benefit of the vaccine, every single medical intervention has potential side effects, that is a given.

The point is the partial information, misinformation, complete false information by those who are strongly "anti Covid vaccine" that is the problem.

It is far from objective and even handed, the real data is not on their side therefore they cannot use it.

The fact is the vaccine has saved lives far above having caused death even if we were to accept direct causation.

You do not want the vaccine that is your choice but stick to the facts.

To say that vaccinated people will be dead in five years is just another streeeetch and cannot be supported by medical science but is used to support the Cabal Theory of "mass de-population."

Of course this is theory of last resort since people who are vaccinated are not dying en mass so now we need to say it is coming in five years.

Is the vaccine perfectly able to stop infection, NO and it is obvious that Israel is learning that lesson, yet anyone who has studied any tiny bit of science knows that the understanding of the reality of "science" evolves.

And @Ann-Marie was correct this is now the pandemic of the unvaccinated, those who are vaccinated have taken the risk for the benefit of all that is her point, so really who is the good Samaritan?
Someone can't prevent what is beyond their control, such as catching a virus, but taking a vaccine is a conscious and deliberate risk. A vaccine can cause deadly side effects.

If you encourage an otherwise healthy person to get vaccinated and they get hurt from it then their blood is on your hands; there's nothing that embodies the spirit of a good Samaritan in doing so.

If I tell someone to not get a vaccine, and let nature take it's course, then it's no fault to me since viruses are an unavoidable risk we take for living on Earth. See the difference there?
 
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