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PennEd

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Fact Check

I didn't hear about the bold and was really surprised if this was true. So I googled (I know people think Google is evil while they continue to use their android phone), and the first site popped up debunking the claim.





If this fact checker is wrong, please post a source where the CDC announces it will no longer count covid positive cases of people who have been fully vaccinated. If you are mistaken, it's alright... I am imperfect and make mistakes all the time, just own it to the people you repeat misinformation to is all I ask.
I’m working, so it will take more time to find some of the articles, but you can start here:

https://www.brighteon.com/d5d2e891-f033-497d-a511-86cb8d5f4fdd
 

cv5

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Maybe. I thought the Church was grafted into Christ with Israel - no Jew or Gentile - so perhaps that's why I believe as I do.

I think the above is actually a good description of what I believe. So is that pre-trib rapture, or pre-wrath rapture?
Pre-trib. More eloquently stated as pre-70th week of Daniel, pre-DOTL, pre-revealing of the man of sin.
 

PennEd

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Fact Check

I didn't hear about the bold and was really surprised if this was true. So I googled (I know people think Google is evil while they continue to use their android phone), and the first site popped up debunking the claim.





If this fact checker is wrong, please post a source where the CDC announces it will no longer count covid positive cases of people who have been fully vaccinated. If you are mistaken, it's alright... I am imperfect and make mistakes all the time, just own it to the people you repeat misinformation to is all I ask.
Ballgame: But it’s alright. You can admit a mistake. And please stop spreading YOUR misinformation. Thanks.

From their website:

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.​
 

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I’m working, so it will take more time to find some of the articles, but you can start here:

https://www.brighteon.com/d5d2e891-f033-497d-a511-86cb8d5f4fdd
Understood, I'm "working" too. lol

However, the video doesn't validate the claim that CDC is going to stop counting covid positive cases for vaccinated people. He just talks about how the world is using PCR testing with a higher magnification for unvaccinated people as opposed to unvaccinated people which will yield more false positives. That is an entirely new claim I would have to fact check.
 

Smoke

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Ballgame: But it’s alright. You can admit a mistake. And please stop spreading YOUR misinformation. Thanks.

From their website:

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.​
You're moving the goalpost. You said that the CDC is "not going to report on covid positive cases for vaccinated" people. Did you not? Here is what you claimed:

On May 1st the CDC proclaimed it was no longer going to count Covid positive cases of those that had been fully vaccinated, unless they were hospitalized or very sick.
Now you're posting information that the fact check that I posted gave...

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause.
The CDC had a separate tracking (monitoring) system for vaccinated breakthrough cases (independent from the total # of covid positive cases and unvaccinated cases). All that the CDC did was change their monitoring of breakthrough cases, which does sound fishy in my opinion, but it DOES NOT mean they aren't going to count covid positive cases for people who are vaccinated. By law, they CAN'T do that. You just have to read a little bit...

As for "ballgame", this isn't a game for me... It's not about winning, it's about presenting facts and not spreading misinformation. You get really defensive when I debunk your "facts".
 

cv5

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Fact Check

I didn't hear about the bold and was really surprised if this was true. So I googled (I know people think Google is evil while they continue to use their android phone), and the first site popped up debunking the claim.





If this fact checker is wrong, please post a source where the CDC announces it will no longer count covid positive cases of people who have been fully vaccinated. If you are mistaken, it's alright... I am imperfect and make mistakes all the time, just own it to the people you repeat misinformation to is all I ask.
"CDC announces"
Really? You're waiting for the CDC to announce stuff before you make a move? That's not the way I handle my business buddy. I stay two or three moves ahead of hack gov't mouthpieces like the CDC. I don't trust them is far as I can throw them.

History is replete with testimony of the folly of trusting official government sources of information. Too little too late or just outright deception. Smart people do their own independent research and come to their own conclusions based on all of the available data from every source available. Just like an investigative journalist or a detective.
 

PennEd

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You're moving the goalpost. You said that the CDC is "not going to report on covid positive cases for vaccinated" people. Did you not? Here is what you claimed:



Now you're posting information that the fact check that I posted gave...



The CDC had a separate tracking (monitoring) system for vaccinated breakthrough cases (independent from the total # of covid positive cases and unvaccinated cases). All that the CDC did was change their monitoring of breakthrough cases, which does sound fishy in my opinion, but it DOES NOT mean they aren't going to count covid positive cases for people who are vaccinated. By law, they CAN'T do that. You just have to read a little bit...

As for "ballgame", this isn't a game for me... It's not about winning, it's about presenting facts and not spreading misinformation. You get really defensive when I debunk your "facts".
Umm. The quote shows that they’re not.

See. This is the growing problem with so many.

They are so invested in the lies, that they feel they don’t have a choice but to continue to support the lies.

It is apparently better to go off the cliff, than admit the path your on was wrong.
 

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Ballgame: But it’s alright. You can admit a mistake. And please stop spreading YOUR misinformation. Thanks.

From their website:

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.​
Correct. A lot of people missed that little entry into their contorted ledger. Skews the numbers favorably for the vaxx $$$dealers and pushers$$$. And consequently creates more vaxxs junkies.
 

PennEd

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CDC announces"
Really? You're waiting for the CDC to announce stuff before you make a move?
Look at the hairs this guy is splitting to try and justify that he was wrong!

I spoke from memory from May, to convey a principal. Whether the word “announces” was used or not is insanely irrelevant to the point!
 

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Pre-trib. More eloquently stated as pre-70th week of Daniel, pre-DOTL, pre-revealing of the man of sin.
That's probably where I deviate, as I believe Daniel's 70th week was already fulfilled (by Christ). But I understand there is very similar prophecy in Revelations also.
 

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Maybe. I thought the Church was grafted into Christ with Israel - no Jew or Gentile - so perhaps that's why I believe as I do.

I think the above is actually a good description of what I believe. So is that pre-trib rapture, or pre-wrath rapture?
I think you missed the point. I'm strictly speaking about the audience to whom the relevant Scripture is directed. For example Matthew 24. Believing Jews and gentiles a.k.a. the Church are never addressed in the entire chapter. Why? Because they've already been raptured...they are not even in proximity to the devastating judgments coming upon the earth dwellers.
 

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I think you missed the point. I'm strictly speaking about the audience to whom the relevant Scripture is directed. For example Matthew 24. Believing Jews and gentiles a.k.a. the Church are never addressed in the entire chapter. Why? Because they've already been raptured...they are not even in proximity to the devastating judgments coming upon the earth dwellers.
Jesus is talking about two events here, right? The end of Jerusalem, and also the end times of the world?
 

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That's probably where I deviate, as I believe Daniel's 70th week was already fulfilled (by Christ). But I understand there is very similar prophecy in Revelations also.
You're probably a bit of an allegorist. Whereas I am a futurist literalist. Trust me when I tell you the futurist literalists are holding all of the aces and a royal flush to boot......;)
 
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That's probably where I deviate, as I believe Daniel's 70th week was already fulfilled (by Christ). But I understand there is very similar prophecy in Revelations also.
You are on the right track = Jesus fulfilled the FIRST HALF of the 70th Week.

This is why Jesus ministry was 3.5 Years.

When the Antichrist is released, the Second Half begins which is for 3.5 Years.

Second Half of 70th Week brings the Second Coming of Christ - "No One knows the Day or Hour but My Father only."
 

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You are on the right track = Jesus fulfilled the FIRST HALF of the 70th Week.

This is why Jesus ministry was 3.5 Years.

When the Antichrist is released, the Second Half begins which is for 3.5 Years.

Second Half of 70th Week brings the Second Coming of Christ - "No One knows the Day or Hour but My Father only."
I believe the second part (of Daniel) was fulfilled by the Holy Spirit, "confirming the covenant with many". But I know that some prophecies might have a double fulfillment, and certainly Revelations speaks of 1260 days and similar periods.
 
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Jesus is talking about two events here, right? The end of Jerusalem, and also the end times of the world?
Two Second Comings of Christ is 100% lie and NO Scripture supports it - Stay with SCRIPTURE - Stay away from those who "add to and take away from God's Word".
 
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I believe the second part (of Daniel) was fulfilled by the Holy Spirit, "confirming the covenant with many". But I know that some prophecies might have a double fulfillment, and certainly Revelations speaks of 1260 days and similar periods.
Since Revelation declares 1260 days and Jesus said in Revelation 14

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them

No Second Coming at this point, No Resurrection at this point No Ratpure at this point.

Put you COMPLETE trust in the WORD = SCRIPTURE and stay away from religion.
 

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You're probably a bit of an allegorist. Whereas I am a futurist literalist. Trust me when I tell you the futurist literalists are holding all of the aces and a royal flush to boot......;)
I just don't like gaps.

Two Second Comings of Christ is 100% lie and NO Scripture supports it - Stay with SCRIPTURE - Stay away from those who "add to and take away from God's Word".
No - only one second coming. But Jesus said some of those present "this generation" would not pass away until these things had occurred. He also mentioned the abomination of desolation prophesied by Daniel. So my interpretation - because some of those things clearly happened, but some did not - meant He was talking of two events. The second coming, and the end of Jerusalem ("end of the age"?)
 
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I just don't like gaps.

No - only one second coming. But Jesus said some of those present "this generation" would not pass away until these things had occurred. He also mentioned the abomination of desolation prophesied by Daniel. So my interpretation - because some of those things clearly happened, but some did not - meant He was talking of two events. The second coming, and the end of Jerusalem ("end of the age"?)
No. Follow ONLY the instructions given by the Lord and CONFIRMED through the Apostles = Paul and John specifically.

If you, or me or anyone, deviates from the Order given by the Scripture alone = you fall into chaos and false doctrine traps laid out by man to entice and entrap.
 
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