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DavidTree

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The Bride the Church does not see the wrath of the tribulation. Confirmed in Revelation 3:10....;)
Part truth part error - We know the Church is not appointed to God's wrath = 1 Thessalonians is TRUTH

The error is adding to Revelation 3:10 what it DOES NOT say - No Rapture of the Church here - You added that error.

Jesus said I will keep you from the hour of testing....He did not say I will rapture you or remove you from the earth.

The Believers who Christ keeps from the hour of testing are the Believers spoken of by the Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:17

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Brother cv5 - Do not add to Jesus Words - Jesus 'keeping' does not mean rapturing or taking away.

Who are kept (keep/keeping/kept) by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:5
 

DavidTree

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I just don't like gaps.

No - only one second coming. But Jesus said some of those present "this generation" would not pass away until these things had occurred. He also mentioned the abomination of desolation prophesied by Daniel. So my interpretation - because some of those things clearly happened, but some did not - meant He was talking of two events. The second coming, and the end of Jerusalem ("end of the age"?)

Here is a perfect example of adding to God's Word what He did NOT say:

"The Church will be raptured in Revelation 3:10"

Revelation 3:10 says Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

No where does Jesus say "I will rapture you or take you away or remove you from the earth ."

Jesus said "I will keep you" that is it - To be kept from the hour of testing, not removed or raptured.

Your question now is 'How does Jesus keep us'?

Answer:
JESUS will keep you strong to the end so that you will be free from all blame on the day when our Lord Jesus Christ returns.

Do NOT add to God's words what He did not say - this is what false doctrine, such as pre-trib does.

PROOF = Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

His Second coming is the Rapture - No pre-trib rapture mentioned here - just the magnificent promise of being kept by Jesus from a scorching testing, just as Jesus did for Shadrach, Mishack and Abednego who were thrown in the fire but KEPT (preserved) from the flames and therefore they were not burned - AMEN AMEN AMEN

JESUS will keep you strong to the end so that you will be free from all blame on the day when our Lord Jesus Christ returns. 1 Corinthians 1:8
 
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People like our German friend keep saying there’s no proof to our claims that the vaccine is incredibly dangerous, and we keep presenting evidence that it is: This is classic cognitive dissonance.

Excerpt from the study:


Results of the study
COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID‐19 disease via antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID‐19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7645850/
By what your post (this and others) state, I can see that you don't understand even half of what this article says, nor how disease/illness and the biology of these work and develop. Probably would be best for you to go back to your pseudo-scientific blogs and sources.
 

PennEd

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You made a claim that the CDC is not counting covid positive cases for vaccinated people. That isn't accurate. Even the source you listed doesn't make that claim. They were monitoring breakthrough cases (meaning, cases where people were vaccinated and contracted covid) but then changed it to monitor only those that were hospitalized/severe... Nevertheless, in the TOTAL NUMBER OF COVID CASES, they are still counted. By law in the US, they have to. Your claim is that they aren't counting them. Please read what you wrote and your own source.
There is no fruit in going back and forth with you. I will post the accompanying article and people can make up their own minds.

Caught Red-Handed: CDC Changes Test Thresholds To Virtually Eliminate New COVID Cases Among Vaxx'd

SUNDAY, MAY 23, 2021 - 09:45 AM
Authored by Kit Knightly via Off-Guardian.org,
New policies will artificially deflate “breakthrough infections” in the vaccinated, while the old rules continue to inflate case numbers in the unvaccinated.


The US Center for Disease Control (CDC) is altering its practices of data logging and testing for “Covid19” in order to make it seem the experimental gene-therapy “vaccines” are effective at preventing the alleged disease.
They made no secret of this, announcing the policy changes on their website in late April/early May, (though naturally without admitting the fairly obvious motivation behind the change).
The trick is in their reporting of what they call “breakthrough infections” – that is people who are fully “vaccinated” against Sars-Cov-2 infection, but get infected anyway.
Essentially, Covid19 has long been shown – to those willing to pay attention – to be an entirely created pandemic narrative built on two key factors:
  1. False-positive tests. The unreliable PCR test can be manipulated into reporting a high number of false-positives by altering the cycle threshold (CT value)
  2. Inflated Case-count. The incredibly broad definition of “Covid case”, used all over the world, lists anyone who receives a positive test as a “Covid19 case”, even if they never experienced any symptoms.
Without these two policies, there would never have been an appreciable pandemic at all, and now the CDC has enacted two policy changes which means they no longer apply to vaccinated people.
Firstly, they are lowering their CT value when testing samples from suspected “breakthrough infections”.

From the CDC’s instructions for state health authorities on handling “possible breakthrough infections” (uploaded to their website in late April):
For cases with a known RT-PCR cycle threshold (Ct) value, submit only specimens with Ct value ≤28 to CDC for sequencing. (Sequencing is not feasible with higher Ct values.)​


Throughout the pandemic, CT values in excess of 35 have been the norm, with labs around the world going into the 40s.

Essentially labs were running as many cycles as necessary to achieve a positive result, despite experts warning that this was pointless (even Fauci himself said anything over 35 cycles is meaningless).

But NOW, and only for fully vaccinated people, the CDC will only accept samples achieved from 28 cycles or fewer. That can only be a deliberate decision in order to decrease the number of “breakthrough infections” being officially recorded.


Secondly, asymptomatic or mild infections will no longer be recorded as “covid cases”.

That’s right. Even if a sample collected at the low CT value of 28 can be sequenced into the virus alleged to cause Covid19, the CDC will no longer be keeping records of breakthrough infections that don’t result in hospitalisation or death.

From their website:

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.​
Just like that, being asymptomatic – or having only minor symptoms – will no longer count as a “Covid case” but only if you’ve been vaccinated.

The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people.

Consider…

Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.
Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.
Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.​
The CDC is demonstrating the beauty of having a “disease” that can appear or disappear depending on how you measure it.

To be clear: If these new policies had been the global approach to “Covid” since December 2019, there would never have been a pandemic at all.

If you apply them only to the vaccinated, but keep the old rules for the unvaccinated, the only possible result can be that the official records show “Covid” is much more prevalent among the latter than the former.

This is a policy designed to continuously inflate one number, and systematically minimise the other.
What is that if not an obvious and deliberate act of deception?


 

shittim

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By what your post (this and others) state, I can see that you don't understand even half of what this article says, nor how disease/illness and the biology of these work and develop. Probably would be best for you to go back to your pseudo-scientific blogs and sources.
Do you believe you walk in love, joy, peace patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfullness and selfcontrol?
just curious.
 

PennEd

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Gentlemen. I’m not in this thread taking a stance on pre trib mid trib post trib.

There are numerous threads that debate that.

Is it possible we can keep the lines open here for info on the vaccine and 🦠?

Please.
 

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Do you believe you walk in love, joy, peace patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfullness and selfcontrol?
just curious.
Do you believe you walk in love, joy, peace patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness and self-control?
Just curious...
 

shittim

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PennEd, a friend just shared this and I thought you and others might find it
helpful. He does bring out how if 25 people die from a "vaccine" it is pulled, he cites 9,000+ from this experimental pseudo vaccine and many are merrily for continuing.
Also how this is mutating to a rather benign virus as is normal for corona viruses.
 

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Aiden.....you think there is no proof. Yes, double-blind peer-reviewed studies are nice to have. But when you don't have that and you are left with experimental mystery jab juice conjured by sinister apothecaries and promoted by slick politcians .....you just gotta go with your gut.
Absolutely CV5. But you would agree though right this is the position that every body is in?

People that take the vaccine don't necessarily disagree with you that all the information is in. Most know that. But at the end of the day they have to go by what's in their gut too. Ones that won't take one a vax have fragmented information....it's seems you've just acknowledged that....and the ones who do take one have fragmented info too.
 

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PennEd, a friend just shared this and I thought you and others might find it
helpful. He does bring out how if 25 people die from a "vaccine" it is pulled, he cites 9,000+ from this experimental pseudo vaccine and many are merrily for continuing.
Also how this is mutating to a rather benign virus as is normal for corona viruses.
It is very simple, if you are forced to get the vaccine or else lose your job and you have looked at the data and decided you don't want to take that risk, then leave.

1. There will be huge staffing shortages and that would likely cause openings where they will not force you to get the vaccine.

2. If the vaccine is truly as bad as they say people will be dropping like flies in 3 years. You might have to take a year or two before you could get a job but saying you left because of the vaccine mandate will show you to be wise and insightful.

3. If it turns out that the concerns about the vaccine are overblown and it is effective then in a year or so the pandemic will be over and they will likely relax the vaccine mandate. Or, the data will be in that the vaccine is safe.
 

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PennEd, a friend just shared this and I thought you and others might find it
helpful. He does bring out how if 25 people die from a "vaccine" it is pulled, he cites 9,000+ from this experimental pseudo vaccine and many are merrily for continuing.
Now this is why I've demanded of myself NOT to believe just what anyone says including this person in your video unless I see it happening in my real world. Meaning, of the 2-5 hundred people I KNOW in my real life how many do I know that have died? As for me I don't know ANY. This guy talks this way, talks this way and I think people need to exercise caution not to jump on the band wagon and just believe him. I get it people watch a video like that and it steers them into a place of terror! I won't do that, and can't do that to allow any man to take control over my mind in such a way. The real world, THE REAL WORLD....what are we seeing in our REAL WORLD.
 

shittim

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A true vaccine is withdrawn if the are 25 deaths, we are past 9,000+ and it is still be given, not so 'simple".
 

shittim

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Now this is why I've demanded of myself NOT to believe just what anyone says including this person in your video unless I see it happening in my real world. Meaning, of the 2-5 hundred people I KNOW in my real life how many do I know that have died? As for me I don't know ANY. This guy talks this way, talks this way and I think people need to exercise caution not to jump on the band wagon and just believe him. I get it people watch a video like that and it steers them into a place of terror! I won't do that, and can't do that to allow any man to take control over my mind in such a way. The real world, THE REAL WORLD....what are we seeing in our REAL WORLD.
He speaks his truth quietly and clearly, and gives his credentials, your post seems more like a rant, I hope that isn't true.
What are your credentials?
 

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Why does anybody give someone who has for his avatar the picture of a TV personality who's character is vicious murderer who leads a group of people into doing the same and also uses a tagline that denotes he is a follower of that philosophy?

ask him
 

SophieT

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This person probably did not understand the proper dosing. IVM overdose is actually no big deal....almost certainly not life-threatening. You would have to take catastrophically massive massive doses to really suffer serious damage. It's out of your system in three or four days.

Something like Tylenol WILL kill you DEAD if you overdose on it. By comparison IVM is superduper safe....
apparently, and I heard this from my vet, people have killed their dogs by dosing them with ivermectin meant for horses

a friend of ours has been able to order ivermectin and we intend to follow suit.. still taking the c and all the other stuff...
 

DavidTree

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How? Which verses contradict it? I'm not saying you're wrong - the whole thing is difficult to get a firm understanding of.
You were told that Revelation 3:10 is pre-trib rapture.
That is contradicting the very scripture itself by adding to it what Jesus did not say = Perfect example.
Do a study on the word 'kept' in the New Testament.
Saying that 'kept' means 'rapture' is twisting, changing and adding.