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There is no fruit in going back and forth with you. I will post the accompanying article and people can make up their own minds.

Caught Red-Handed: CDC Changes Test Thresholds To Virtually Eliminate New COVID Cases Among Vaxx'd

SUNDAY, MAY 23, 2021 - 09:45 AM
Authored by Kit Knightly via Off-Guardian.org,
New policies will artificially deflate “breakthrough infections” in the vaccinated, while the old rules continue to inflate case numbers in the unvaccinated.


The US Center for Disease Control (CDC) is altering its practices of data logging and testing for “Covid19” in order to make it seem the experimental gene-therapy “vaccines” are effective at preventing the alleged disease.
They made no secret of this, announcing the policy changes on their website in late April/early May, (though naturally without admitting the fairly obvious motivation behind the change).
The trick is in their reporting of what they call “breakthrough infections” – that is people who are fully “vaccinated” against Sars-Cov-2 infection, but get infected anyway.
Essentially, Covid19 has long been shown – to those willing to pay attention – to be an entirely created pandemic narrative built on two key factors:
  1. False-positive tests. The unreliable PCR test can be manipulated into reporting a high number of false-positives by altering the cycle threshold (CT value)
  2. Inflated Case-count. The incredibly broad definition of “Covid case”, used all over the world, lists anyone who receives a positive test as a “Covid19 case”, even if they never experienced any symptoms.
Without these two policies, there would never have been an appreciable pandemic at all, and now the CDC has enacted two policy changes which means they no longer apply to vaccinated people.
Firstly, they are lowering their CT value when testing samples from suspected “breakthrough infections”.

From the CDC’s instructions for state health authorities on handling “possible breakthrough infections” (uploaded to their website in late April):
For cases with a known RT-PCR cycle threshold (Ct) value, submit only specimens with Ct value ≤28 to CDC for sequencing. (Sequencing is not feasible with higher Ct values.)​


Throughout the pandemic, CT values in excess of 35 have been the norm, with labs around the world going into the 40s.

Essentially labs were running as many cycles as necessary to achieve a positive result, despite experts warning that this was pointless (even Fauci himself said anything over 35 cycles is meaningless).

But NOW, and only for fully vaccinated people, the CDC will only accept samples achieved from 28 cycles or fewer. That can only be a deliberate decision in order to decrease the number of “breakthrough infections” being officially recorded.


Secondly, asymptomatic or mild infections will no longer be recorded as “covid cases”.

That’s right. Even if a sample collected at the low CT value of 28 can be sequenced into the virus alleged to cause Covid19, the CDC will no longer be keeping records of breakthrough infections that don’t result in hospitalisation or death.

From their website:

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.​
Just like that, being asymptomatic – or having only minor symptoms – will no longer count as a “Covid case” but only if you’ve been vaccinated.

The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people.

Consider…

Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.​
Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.​
Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.​
The CDC is demonstrating the beauty of having a “disease” that can appear or disappear depending on how you measure it.

To be clear: If these new policies had been the global approach to “Covid” since December 2019, there would never have been a pandemic at all.

If you apply them only to the vaccinated, but keep the old rules for the unvaccinated, the only possible result can be that the official records show “Covid” is much more prevalent among the latter than the former.

This is a policy designed to continuously inflate one number, and systematically minimise the other.
What is that if not an obvious and deliberate act of deception?


Debunked

PCR tests on vaccinated and unvaccinated people are evaluated using the same criteria; the CDC didn’t change criteria for detecting infection in vaccinated people, as alleged in OffGuardian article


CLAIM
The U.S. CDC is “lowering their CT value when testing samples from suspected ‘breakthrough infections’” to decrease the number of officially recorded cases
VERDICT

SOURCE: Kit Knightly, Gateway Pundit, OffGuardian, Zero Hedge, 18 May 2021
DETAILS
Factually inaccurate: The CDC didn’t change the PCR tests’ cycle thresholds for vaccinated people. The guidance cited in the article refers to genomic sequencing, which is used for identifying the virus’ lineage and variants. It isn’t used to test for the presence of infection. The CDC is still recording all vaccine breakthrough cases, not only the ones that led to hospitalization or death. And finally, the COVID-19 vaccines aren’t gene therapy. Gene therapy involves modifying genes to treat diseases. COVID-19 vaccines don’t modify DNA.
KEY TAKE AWAY

Clinical trials in tens of thousands of people, as well as data from ongoing vaccination campaigns, demonstrated that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease and death. COVID-19 is a reportable condition, meaning that by law, every positive test must be reported, regardless of a person’s vaccination status. COVID-19 PCR tests are also performed using the same criteria and methodology regardless of a person’s vaccination status. However, only samples with sufficient genetic material, which can be identified at lower Ct values, are sent on for further testing by genomic sequencing. Genomic sequencing is used to determine the virus’ lineage and identify variants.

FULL CLAIM: The U.S. CDC is “lowering their CT value when testing samples from suspected ‘breakthrough infections’” to “decrease the number of ‘breakthrough infections’ being officially recorded”, which will “make it seem the experimental gene-therapy ‘vaccines’ are effective at preventing the alleged disease”; “asymptomatic or mild infections will no longer be recorded as [COVID-19 cases]”; “If these new policies had been the global approach to [COVID-19] since December 2019, there would never have been a pandemic at all.”; “CDC Changes Test Thresholds To Virtually Eliminate New COVID Cases Among Vaxx'd”​
 

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REVIEW

An article published on 18 May 2021 claimed that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) changed COVID-19 test criteria to reduce vaccine breakthrough cases and make it seem as if COVID-19 vaccines work, while inflating cases in the unvaccinated. The article was published by OffGuardian, a website that published false information in the past.


The original OffGuardian article received more than 4,000 interactions on Facebook and more than 2,100 interactions on Reddit to date. The article received much more online engagement through being republished by other websites that also publish conspiracy theories, such as Zero Hedge and Gateway Pundit. The copy on Zero Hedge received more than 27,000 interactions on Facebook.

This claim also appeared elsewhere, with some social media users promoting the idea that the CDC was moving the goalposts for vaccinated people to make it harder to detect vaccine breakthrough cases, as can be seen in this Instagram post.

The CDC didn’t change the Ct value for samples from vaccinated people
Vaccine breakthrough cases occur when a vaccinated person becomes infected. While the vaccines are highly effective at preventing disease, no vaccine is 100% effective. Infections in vaccinated people are also detected using the PCR test.

The PCR test detects the presence of the virus by amplifying a small part of the virus’ genetic material. The number of amplification cycles needed to arrive at a level considered to be a “positive” result is also called the cycle threshold (Ct) value. The Ct value depends on the quantity of virus in a sample. The more virus present, the fewer amplification cycles are needed to reach the level for a positive result, while a low viral load requires more amplification cycles to reach that same level.

As evidence for its claim that the U.S. CDC is “lowering their CT value when testing samples from suspected ‘breakthrough infections’” to “decrease the number of ‘breakthrough infections’ being officially recorded”, the article cited this statement on the CDC website:

For cases with a known RT-PCR cycle threshold (Ct) value, submit only specimens with Ct value ≤28 to CDC for sequencing. (Sequencing is not feasible with higher Ct values.)”​
This is a grossly inaccurate interpretation of the CDC guidance. The guidance applies to samples sent for genomic sequencing, which is a technique used to obtain the genetic sequence of the virus. This technique allows scientists to determine the virus’ lineage and identify variants and provides scientists with important information on how the virus is evolving and how mutations change the way the virus behaves. This information in turn helps to guide public health measures and vaccine development.

As is evident from the statement, the CDC didn’t alter the cycle threshold value for the PCR test used to identify presence of infection. The statement is relevant to genomic sequencing, which is an additional test used on samples that already tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 by PCR. The reason why this guidance is in place is because genomic sequencing requires a relatively large amount of the virus’ genetic material in the sample. Therefore, a sample with only trace amounts of the virus’ genetic material, which would show a high Ct value, wouldn’t be suitable for sequencing.

Not sequencing a sample doesn’t change the fact that someone tested positive for COVID-19 by PCR, meaning that the person is infected, making them a COVID-19 case. Therefore, this CDC guidance has no influence on the number of COVID-19 cases recorded, as the article claimed.

Cases from vaccinated people are still being recorded, even if asymptomatic or mild
The article claimed that “asymptomatic or mild infections will no longer be recorded as [COVID-19 cases]”, citing the CDC again:

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.”​
An Associated Press fact-check explained that this isn’t accurate:

COVID-19 is a reportable condition, meaning that by law every positive test must be reported. The National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System requires testing sites and medical facilities to report positive tests to the local health department. They then pass the information to the state health department, which notifies the CDC.”​
Kristen Nordlund, a health communications specialist at the CDC, clarified that vaccine breakthrough cases will still be recorded, saying, “CDC is not going to stop reporting cases of COVID-19 in any fashion”.

What it does mean is that, going forward, the CDC won’t publish cases of mild and asymptomatic COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases on their website. The AP fact-check:

However, mild and asymptomatic COVID-19 breakthrough cases, which occur after someone has been fully vaccinated, will no longer be published separately on the CDC’s website. According to the CDC, special surveillance of breakthrough cases was initially set up to identify patterns among individuals who were vaccinated and still got COVID-19. Since an analysis of those cases has not shown any unexpected patterns, the CDC has changed their approach to surveillance.”​
 

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Nordlund told AP that “CDC and state health departments will be focusing only on investigating vaccine breakthrough cases that result in hospitalization or death […] Every breakthrough case of COVID will still be reported. We just won’t call it out in a certain place on the website”.

The website also explains that the CDC is recording vaccine breakthrough cases in a separate database for the time being:

CDC developed a national COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough REDCap database where designated state health department investigators can enter, store, and manage data for cases in their jurisdiction. State health departments have full access to data for cases reported from their jurisdiction.
Ultimately, CDC will use the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS) to identify vaccine breakthrough cases. Once CDC has confirmed that a state can report vaccination history data to NNDSS, CDC will identify vaccine breakthrough cases through that system.
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As demonstrated above, the article once again misinterpreted the CDC’s statements. The citation it used to support the claim explained that only fatal or hospitalized cases would be monitored and investigated further. However, this doesn’t mean that mild or asymptomatic cases aren’t reported. As stated above, COVID-19 is a reportable disease by law, therefore all cases need to be reported, regardless of the severity or vaccination status. But only reported cases that are severe are monitored and investigated.


COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective at preventing severe COVID-19 and death; they aren’t “experimental gene therapy”
The article claimed that the CDC was moving the goalposts for PCR testing in order to make it seem as if “the experimental gene-therapy ‘vaccines’ are effective at preventing” COVID-19.

This claim is inaccurate and poorly reasoned. Firstly, scientists already had a pool of evidence demonstrating that the COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing disease, predating the alleged change in PCR cycle thresholds in May 2021.

This evidence comes from the clinical trials examining the COVID-19 vaccines authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which demonstrated that the vaccines are highly effective at preventing severe COVID-19. In November 2020, Pfizer and BioNTech reported that the vaccine has 95% efficacy at preventing symptomatic COVID-19, while Moderna reported 94% efficacy. Johnson and Johnson reported that their vaccine has 85% efficacy at preventing severe illness.

In addition, real-world evidence from ongoing vaccination campaigns, also predating the alleged change, demonstrated that the vaccines are highly effective at protecting people from severe disease and death, as seen in this CDC study on the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna RNA vaccines, conducted between December 2020 and April 2021[1], as well as this study in Israel conducted between January and April 2021, published in The Lancet[2].


In other words, there was already reliable evidence showing that the vaccines are effective, without having to resort to the alleged change in PCR test methodology. Had the vaccines not worked, this would have been evident during clinical trials and the vaccines wouldn’t have received emergency use authorization by the FDA.

Thirdly, COVID-19 vaccines are neither “experimental” nor “gene therapy”. Their effectiveness and safety was demonstrated during clinical trials before being released to the public. Gene therapy involves the modification of a person’s genes to treat disease. COVID-19 vaccines cannot modify DNA, as previously explained by Health Feedback, thus disqualifying them as “gene therapy”.

PCR tests detect infection, but not necessarily contagiousness; most positive tests are true positives
The article brought up inaccurate and misleading claims dating back last year to at least November 2020, specifically that the COVID-19 PCR test is overly sensitive and inflates the number of COVID-19 cases. These claims were reviewed by Health Feedback and found to be inaccurate (see here and here).

As explained in our previous reviews, the claim is based on a misinterpretation of scientists’ statements, including that of the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Anthony Fauci. The scientists discussed concerns about the issue of positive PCR tests with high Ct values, namely that many people with such results may no longer be infectious.

This issue calls into question whether PCR tests are a practical way of informing a person infected with COVID-19 of what steps they should take after their diagnosis, specifically whether they should self-isolate. This consideration is also relevant to helping public health authorities determine whether contact tracing for that individual is needed.

However, some wrongly took these concerns to mean that PCR tests produce many false-positive results. Whether one has a high or low Ct determines whether contact tracing and self-isolation measures would be useful. This is because high viral load (low Ct value) likely indicates that a person is infectious, whereas a low viral load (high Ct value) likely indicates that a person is not infectious or has low transmissibility.

However, being infected isn’t the same as being contagious. It is inaccurate to label high Ct positive results as “false positives”. The term “false positive” indicates that a person tested positive but doesn’t have the infection[3]. However, a person is or has been infected if they test positive, regardless of whether the test had a high or low Ct value. This also means that a person with a positive result and high Ct value would correctly be classified as a COVID-19 case.

The sensitivity of the PCR test is not responsible for the high number of COVID-19 cases worldwide, which led to the declaration of a pandemic. Simply put, the detected number of COVID-19 cases are high because there are many infected people. The claim fails to distinguish between the test’s ability to confirm an infection—which is what case numbers measure—with the test’s ability to determine contagiousness.
 

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You were told that Revelation 3:10 is pre-trib rapture.
That is contradicting the very scripture itself by adding to it what Jesus did not say = Perfect example.
Do a study on the word 'kept' in the New Testament.
Saying that 'kept' means 'rapture' is twisting, changing and adding.
You have been asked repeatedly to take this to a new thread. Most do not want to discuss this here on this thread.
 

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We should poll people who have had the vaccine. If the 62% is accurate we should see 2/3 of people having issues with shortness of breath and hypertension. The blood clots can also cause issues with your brain and nervous system.
I try to put my finger on the pulse of what's prophetically possible from a word of God, Bible standpoint. Not claiming everything I would muse upon would be correct....but I do have to go with as one said here a gut feeling.

So the above creates that feel that everybody's life is going to fall apart in 2-3 years. This would have to be global. This would create absolute terror before the Lord comes back. Now when I look at scripture I do see one thing which will create absolute fear before the Lord comes back. Jesus talked about it in Matt 24:25 and it's something that no one is even conscious of right now.

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Matt 24: 25

I only mention the above scripture for the reason that if the vaccine was going to flatten society and this would have to be global for all the major nations have taken vaccines....then you'd expect Jesus would have mentioned it front and center as in the scripture would read, "Men's hearts failing them for fear and terror due to bad reactions doing in the population because of vaccines" (or some way Jesus would have been able to make them understand what vaccines were) BUT....I don't see it! Now I'm not trying to be pro -vaccine at all.....but I just don't see what should be a mention of it in scripture if it were to create such negative effects. And having said that I'd never make light of people who have had not so good responses and deny them.....but in the way one measures the magnitude of a problem by numbers I can't say I feel comfortable believing it's a given....that 2/3rd of the population will find themselves destroyed in the 3 years mentioned. My gut is telling me it would have to be in scripture. It's not so maybe that can give us peace?

My point I guess is let's not ever find ourselves guilty of having troubled the hearts and minds of the saints unnecessarily! Youtube videos and what one doctor says over another DOES NOT constitute divine revelation on how something will play out. Just one wrong thought or misconception of what is actually true can really take one down a wrong road and especially your mental states my good friend saints of God.



 

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Debunked

PCR tests on vaccinated and unvaccinated people are evaluated using the same criteria; the CDC didn’t change criteria for detecting infection in vaccinated people, as alleged in OffGuardian article
I am a NYC teacher. I was in a union meeting where we were told the union is basically split, half are vaccinated and half aren't. This is why they are not mandating the vaccine for teachers (it would be a catastrophe if half left). However, what they are doing is only testing unvaccinated people. Now even if you have a public school education you should be able to understand that if we only test unvaccinated people on a weekly basis we will identify much more "positive cases" among unvaccinated. The only time a vaccinated person would get tested is if they got so sick they had to go to the hospital.

Therefore, if you wanted to do a truly "apples to apples" comparison you would only be talking about those in the hospital testing positive.
 

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I try to put my finger on the pulse of what's prophetically possible from a word of God, Bible standpoint. Not claiming everything I would muse upon would be correct....but I do have to go with as one said here a gut feeling.
I appreciate your approach. I appreciate taking a rational, let's look at the facts and let's compare this with the word of God approach. I also agree that the rollout of this vaccine did not match the roll out of the MOtB.

However, a vaccine passport does match some horrific events in human history, not being able to buy or sell without it also matches some of the worst events in human history, quarantine camps also matches the worst events in human history.

What I did was ask a very simple question, we know that Hitler is an antichrist and that although he was not "the" antichrist we can look at the things he did to get an idea of the antichrist just as we can with Stalin and Nero and others. Where in Hitler's Nazi Germany do we see something that prefigures the "MOtB"? The star of David the Jews had to wear, herding the Jews into Ghettos and then into concentration camps.

So what we are seeing very closely matches what we saw with Hitler. If you wait for them to chop off heads that is too late.

That said I don't see any condemnation on believers who have been vaccinated. There was no decision made to worship the beast. However, if you go along with vaccine mandates, and quarantine camps then in my opinion you have crossed the line. Those are actions that you will have to give account of when you stand before the Lord.
 

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I am a NYC teacher. I was in a union meeting where we were told the union is basically split, half are vaccinated and half aren't. This is why they are not mandating the vaccine for teachers (it would be a catastrophe if half left). However, what they are doing is only testing unvaccinated people. Now even if you have a public school education you should be able to understand that if we only test unvaccinated people on a weekly basis we will identify much more "positive cases" among unvaccinated. The only time a vaccinated person would get tested is if they got so sick they had to go to the hospital.

Therefore, if you wanted to do a truly "apples to apples" comparison you would only be talking about those in the hospital testing positive.
That makes sense. The more you test of one group, the higher the accumulative total will be. Sort of to Trump's point about the US having so many positive cases, because we were testing a lot more people than most other nations. But that wasn't really the point I was making by posting this fact check.
 

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Free information is sometimes good but we ALWAYS get a watered down version of what the powers that be want us to know!

That said,we really DON'T know the TRUTH of anything the FDA,CDC, media nor our governments tell us.All these articles are written on what someone else says!

Chemicals, some with very serious side effects are used in food products we buy,our meds,even down to the dyes in our clothes.Pesticudes used in vegetable growing,livestock management and even pollutants from factories cause fish crab and other water animals we eat to be harmful.

What is thrown out here should be taken with the same" I don't believe it til I see it " attitude.

The ONLY truth we can stand on is God,his word,Jesus,and the SPIRIT!
😂That is even a hotly debated and conspiratorial subject!
 
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Nordlund told AP that “CDC and state health departments will be focusing only on investigating vaccine breakthrough cases that result in hospitalization or death […] Every breakthrough case of COVID will still be reported. We just won’t call it out in a certain place on the website”.

The website also explains that the CDC is recording vaccine breakthrough cases in a separate database for the time being:

CDC developed a national COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough REDCap database where designated state health department investigators can enter, store, and manage data for cases in their jurisdiction. State health departments have full access to data for cases reported from their jurisdiction.
Ultimately, CDC will use the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS) to identify vaccine breakthrough cases. Once CDC has confirmed that a state can report vaccination history data to NNDSS, CDC will identify vaccine breakthrough cases through that system.”​
As demonstrated above, the article once again misinterpreted the CDC’s statements. The citation it used to support the claim explained that only fatal or hospitalized cases would be monitored and investigated further. However, this doesn’t mean that mild or asymptomatic cases aren’t reported. As stated above, COVID-19 is a reportable disease by law, therefore all cases need to be reported, regardless of the severity or vaccination status. But only reported cases that are severe are monitored and investigated.


COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective at preventing severe COVID-19 and death; they aren’t “experimental gene therapy”
The article claimed that the CDC was moving the goalposts for PCR testing in order to make it seem as if “the experimental gene-therapy ‘vaccines’ are effective at preventing” COVID-19.

This claim is inaccurate and poorly reasoned. Firstly, scientists already had a pool of evidence demonstrating that the COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing disease, predating the alleged change in PCR cycle thresholds in May 2021.

This evidence comes from the clinical trials examining the COVID-19 vaccines authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which demonstrated that the vaccines are highly effective at preventing severe COVID-19. In November 2020, Pfizer and BioNTech reported that the vaccine has 95% efficacy at preventing symptomatic COVID-19, while Moderna reported 94% efficacy. Johnson and Johnson reported that their vaccine has 85% efficacy at preventing severe illness.

In addition, real-world evidence from ongoing vaccination campaigns, also predating the alleged change, demonstrated that the vaccines are highly effective at protecting people from severe disease and death, as seen in this CDC study on the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna RNA vaccines, conducted between December 2020 and April 2021[1], as well as this study in Israel conducted between January and April 2021, published in The Lancet[2].


In other words, there was already reliable evidence showing that the vaccines are effective, without having to resort to the alleged change in PCR test methodology. Had the vaccines not worked, this would have been evident during clinical trials and the vaccines wouldn’t have received emergency use authorization by the FDA.

Thirdly, COVID-19 vaccines are neither “experimental” nor “gene therapy”. Their effectiveness and safety was demonstrated during clinical trials before being released to the public. Gene therapy involves the modification of a person’s genes to treat disease. COVID-19 vaccines cannot modify DNA, as previously explained by Health Feedback, thus disqualifying them as “gene therapy”.

PCR tests detect infection, but not necessarily contagiousness; most positive tests are true positives
The article brought up inaccurate and misleading claims dating back last year to at least November 2020, specifically that the COVID-19 PCR test is overly sensitive and inflates the number of COVID-19 cases. These claims were reviewed by Health Feedback and found to be inaccurate (see here and here).

As explained in our previous reviews, the claim is based on a misinterpretation of scientists’ statements, including that of the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Anthony Fauci. The scientists discussed concerns about the issue of positive PCR tests with high Ct values, namely that many people with such results may no longer be infectious.

This issue calls into question whether PCR tests are a practical way of informing a person infected with COVID-19 of what steps they should take after their diagnosis, specifically whether they should self-isolate. This consideration is also relevant to helping public health authorities determine whether contact tracing for that individual is needed.

However, some wrongly took these concerns to mean that PCR tests produce many false-positive results. Whether one has a high or low Ct determines whether contact tracing and self-isolation measures would be useful. This is because high viral load (low Ct value) likely indicates that a person is infectious, whereas a low viral load (high Ct value) likely indicates that a person is not infectious or has low transmissibility.

However, being infected isn’t the same as being contagious. It is inaccurate to label high Ct positive results as “false positives”. The term “false positive” indicates that a person tested positive but doesn’t have the infection[3]. However, a person is or has been infected if they test positive, regardless of whether the test had a high or low Ct value. This also means that a person with a positive result and high Ct value would correctly be classified as a COVID-19 case.

The sensitivity of the PCR test is not responsible for the high number of COVID-19 cases worldwide, which led to the declaration of a pandemic. Simply put, the detected number of COVID-19 cases are high because there are many infected people. The claim fails to distinguish between the test’s ability to confirm an infection—which is what case numbers measure—with the test’s ability to determine contagiousness.
Finally...
 

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I am a NYC teacher. I was in a union meeting where we were told the union is basically split, half are vaccinated and half aren't.
Now I do find that interesting. You're a teacher and half your union membership don't want vaccinated? Seems like the media is wanting to say everybody, everybody is getting it and only the less informed less educated individuals are declining. And yet you and your fellow teachers are educated and it doesn't seem like an uniformed crowd. Not that the ones vaccinated I'm criticizing as uniformed but not wanting to be vaccinated can still be in the realm of basic reasonable thought. Educated people are having reservations it's not just a bunch of yahoos that the powers which be try to portray them to be.

However, what they are doing is only testing unvaccinated people. Now even if you have a public school education you should be able to understand that if we only test unvaccinated people on a weekly basis we will identify much more "positive cases" among unvaccinated. The only time a vaccinated person would get tested is if they got so sick they had to go to the hospital.
And one question is how often is one supposed to submit to tests. I've heard maybe twice a week in some places AND possibly at the employees own expense. Look if that's what it all means being tested twice a week at one's own expense that really in effect is mandating the vaccine. Who could really sustain getting that done forever not to mention how I'd effect one psychologically
having to submit to such a thing.

The job ahead for managers: Enforcing new rules for unvaccinated employees at work - CNN
 

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Now I do find that interesting. You're a teacher and half your union membership don't want vaccinated? Seems like the media is wanting to say everybody, everybody is getting it and only the less informed less educated individuals are declining. And yet you and your fellow teachers are educated and it doesn't seem like an uniformed crowd. Not that the ones vaccinated I'm criticizing as uniformed but not wanting to be vaccinated can still be in the realm of basic reasonable thought. Educated people are having reservations it's not just a bunch of yahoos that the powers which be try to portray them to be.
To be a certified teacher in NYC you have to have a master's degree. I don't know if you can be in the union without being a certified teacher. There are paras who are not certified teachers, I don't know if they were in that meeting.

And one question is how often is one supposed to submit to tests. I've heard maybe twice a week in some places AND possibly at the employees own expense. Look if that's what it all means being tested twice a week at one's own expense that really in effect is mandating the vaccine. Who could really sustain getting that done forever not to mention how I'd effect one psychologically
having to submit to such a thing.

The job ahead for managers: Enforcing new rules for unvaccinated employees at work - CNN
There are other questions as well,

1. should we consider someone to be "fully vaccinated" if they haven't gotten the booster shot?

2. Why wouldn't you test vaccinated people since they can also catch and spread the Delta variant.

3. If someone tests positive I assume you will be quarantined, even if you don't have any symptoms. Will you have to use sick days even though you aren't sick?
 

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You were told that Revelation 3:10 is pre-trib rapture.
That is contradicting the very scripture itself by adding to it what Jesus did not say = Perfect example.
Do a study on the word 'kept' in the New Testament.
Saying that 'kept' means 'rapture' is twisting, changing and adding.
Maybe in another thread, fren? I already had one rebuke for being off-topic from PennEd, and I'm not looking for a second! ;-)
 

Moses_Young

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apparently, and I heard this from my vet, people have killed their dogs by dosing them with ivermectin meant for horses

a friend of ours has been able to order ivermectin and we intend to follow suit.. still taking the c and all the other stuff...
Can't you and your friend just shoot your dogs if you don't want them? Overdosing on ivermectin doesn't seem very kind... Besides, you might need the ivermectin for yourselves if you get the so-called "coronavirus". :)
 

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They will most likely push harder to mandate the vaccine once it's FDA approved.
If the FBI was not already a criminal organization (which has abandoned all pretense of being a law-enforcement agency) the criminals heading up the FDA, CDC, NIH, NIAID, DHS, State Department, Department of Defense, etc. would have all been arrested for their unlawful and criminals deeds. Before which Biden and Harris would have been arrested for fraud and treason.

Mandating the bogus experimental "vaccines" is also illegal and criminal, and subject to the Nuremberg Code. Where are the people who should be going after the COVID-Nazis?