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[NoNameMcgee]

lets say a woman or man was faithful in marriage

and had an unfaithful husband or unfaithful wife

who not only commited fornication and adultery
but also was the one to put away the faithful one

is it still commiting adultery to marry the one who was faithful and wanted to restore the marriage?


Luke 16:18 - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.

1 Corinthians Chapter 7


10 And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife.

1 Corinthians 7:15 - But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace.

Matthew 5:32 - But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.



Mark 10:12 - And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery



there are more verses on divorce obviously....


ive asked people about this...
but like to hear more reasons as to WHY you believe what you believe...

 

[NoNameMcgee]

not divorced myself by the way...

but i think this is a really important subject

 

[zeroturbulence]

lets say a woman or man was faithful in marriage

and had an unfaithful husband or unfaithful wife

who not only commited fornication and adultery
but also was the one to put away the faithful one

is it still commiting adultery to marry the one who was faithful and wanted to restore the marriage?


Luke 16:18 - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.

1 Corinthians Chapter 7


10 And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife.

1 Corinthians 7:15 - But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace.

Matthew 5:32 - But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.



Mark 10:12 - And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery



there are more verses on divorce obviously....


ive asked people about this...
but like to hear more reasons as to WHY you believe what you believe...

 

[heartofdavid]

I would say it is ok.

They need to cut soul ties.

I have a wife with about 10 or more "man friends".

She lives in her own little world. I believe her spirit is sick,and it manifests in her need for many man friends.

She even joined the marine corps vets weekly meetings.

After about 20 meetings she quit. She obviously got in over her head.
My point is,I obviously married a person with soul tie perversion.

Once a relationship breaks,if a clean departure is not secured,the baggage manifests in some bizarre dynamic.

Not fun.

 

[AllenW]

Of course it's okay.

 

[AllenW]

What do you mean no!
Of course it's okay.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Of course it's okay.

ive heard people say that the "contract" is nullified by the unfaithful

and ive had the thought in my head about God and the Jews then the Gentiles

im definitely inclined to agree with you



but im hoping for more absolute assurance in this

 

[everlasting_melody]

[h=1]hi! i definitely think its okay to move on from a marriage if you have been cheated on. My whole reasoning comes from this bible verse.

Matthew 5:32New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT=&quot]32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

It says if you divorce your wife, you make her the victim of adultery, and whoever marries her will commit adultery. But the keyword there is EXCEPT if there was sexual immorality such as cheating etc. So if there was, it voids the whole statement. So basically if you divorce someone because you guys are constantly arguing about money or you guys have nothing in common anymore (even though these things are serious) you should try to work it out, because alot of times its just a lack of communication. If you divorce for these reasons, the marriage covenant still stands, thats why whoever marries her commits adultery, the covenant still stands with the original man.

But the verse says EXCEPT if someone commits sexual immorality such as cheating. I think this seriously means that when a person cheats on you it breaks the marriage covenant. Since marriage is a promise to love only that person, to honor only that person, to be there through sickness and hard times with only that person, as soon as you cheat, you break the whole thing.

If you did everything you could and you stayed faithful and you gave everything you had in you to try to make it work, based on that verse, i don't think god would hold you accountable. Since god can see hearts, he knows the difference between the heart of the faithful and the heart of the cheater in the relationship.

But in regards to the cheater, Jesus took every sin on the cross. So if the person has cheated, and they commited adultery, nowhere in the bible does it say that it is an unpardonable sin or it is unforgivable. Not saying that its okay to cheat, but that you can still find forgiveness in Jesus.

Just trust in god and pray and have him lead your heart. If someones seriously concerned with these issues, he knows your heart and your will is to always please him. Or else you wouldn't be so concerned with doing what is right. He knows that




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[AllenW]

ive heard people say that the "contract" is nullified by the unfaithful

and ive had the thought in my head about God and the Jews then the Gentiles

im definitely inclined to agree with you



but im hoping for more absolute assurance in this

Matthew 19:9;
" I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

There's your proof, right from the mouth of Jesus.

 

[MavundaB]

I was thinking of this two days ago, I even concluded that the Bible is biased but I immediately reprimanded myself and asked for forgiveness. The one always talk about a men and what a man should do and not do. Meaning that even if a man commits adultery, a woman is not a liberty to divorce him but vise versa... and I thought, is it because it's acceptable for men to marry and still have cucubines on the side. Yes, it has been so from Genesis.
So to answer your question, only a man can divorce his wife for committing adultery, not the other way round. I stand to be corrected..lol

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Matthew 19:9;
" I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

There's your proof, right from the mouth of Jesus.

your understanding is

that because that exception makes it ok to divorce

it also makes it ok to remarry?

 

[zeroturbulence]

What do you mean no!
Of course it's okay.

That's what batman's saying... He asked "is it a sin" to marry the one who remained faithful... batman says NO (its not a sin).

 

[zeroturbulence]

Batman is never wrong....

....but his surfwear is...

 

[AllenW]

your understanding is

that because that exception makes it ok to divorce

it also makes it ok to remarry?

Yes, also, under Jewish Talmud, the rabbis had to tackle the physical and mental abuse of a woman in marriage.
It was not addressed in the Bible.
They decided it was also okay to divorce a man under such circumstances and remarry.

The difference today is that if two people are born again and filled with the Spirit of God, they need to call on God and work out their problems, or else they lose their testimony.

 

[AllenW]

That's what batman's saying... He asked "is it a sin" to marry the one who remained faithful... batman says NO (its not a sin).

sorry, I misunderstood you.

 

[zeroturbulence]

sorry, I misunderstood you.

Its ok. No biggie. I'm sorry I made fun of Ralph. ...twice. Is there really a Ralph?


...hmmm maybe its best to keep us guessing. I kind of like the idea of Ralph out there somewhere, trying to make his way to the forum...


(sorry if I just hijacked your thread, Mr. McGee)

 

[AllenW]

Its ok. No biggie. I'm sorry I made fun of Ralph. ...twice. Is there really a Ralph?


...hmmm maybe its best to keep us guessing. I kind of like the idea of Ralph out there somewhere, trying to make his way to the forum...


(sorry if I just hijacked your thread, Mr. McGee)

I have no idea where Ralph is.
The last time over his house, even is cat was gone.
He travels with Ralph a lot.
Ralph pops up when you don't expect him.
Ralph has contacts all around the world.
Like the time he loaned his Ferrari to FranC.
She was flying down a mountain road at 190 MPH and the cops stopped her.
When they saw the registration had Ralph's name on it, they let her go and asked her to say hello to Ralph for them.

One of these days, Ralph will show up.

 

[JonahLynx]

Meaning that even if a man commits adultery, a woman is not a liberty to divorce him but vise versa... and I thought, is it because it's acceptable for men to marry and still have cucubines on the side. Yes, it has been so from Genesis.

Tough subject because it's filled to the brim with nuance, but I see where you're coming from. Here's what I would say though:

On the concubine thing, I don't see evidence that it gets special treatment. You have Heb. 13:4 which says not to let the "marriage bed" be defiled, it doesn't say just "bed." So apparently it would be a sin for a man to have concubines for that purpose since they are not his wives. That brings us to polygamy:

I'm not trying to start a debate over it, but the fact that people in the Bible had polygamous marriages does not mean they were "acceptable" or "right." 1 Tim. 3 gives a list of qualifications for a church leader, and having "only one wife" is one of the requirements, along with a bunch of other traits that no one seems to have a problem with like "self-control" and "lack of greed." Clearly if polygamy isn't a sin, it's still inferior to monogamy.

Lastly on the divorce aspect, you won't find a single verse that says a woman cannot divorce a husband. You will only find verses which are given the premise of the husband initiating the divorce. However, 1 Cor. 7 gives instructions to a woman who has initiated the divorce, which seems odd if women do not have that freedom.

 

[T1]

So many Christians are divorced today. I think part of the reason is that we are using grace as a license to divorce and then remarrie. This is no biblical. We are told not to use grace as a license to sin.