Would you be willing to date an atheist?

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What if you found a person who was really smart, loving, fun, honest, caring, etc. (Basically all of the qualities you would like in a person) But the only thing is that, that person had strong atheist views and made it clear to you that he/she didn't believe in God. Would you still date that person in the hopes of maybe changing his/her mind on God one day, or would you just respect his/her views and deal with it?
Well, Pandas, the God people see is usually the one christian's show them. The simple fact that you find this person to be smart, loving, honest and caring proves that godly qualities can exist regardless of religious dogma or specific belief. I'd actually argue that what you've found is a person far more compatible than one who has all the religious nuances there are, but doesn't have the qualities you've outlined here.

Because, what is a person when you strip away all the labels attached to them, really? I say they are simply a heart of a particular kind.

For instance, a fundamentalist christian with extremely hard-line views may not inherently have qualities like sympathy, empathy, compassion, a non-judgmental attitude, a caring manner, an inner-honesty. That isn't to say that religious people can't be these things, of course they can, but it is to say that just because someone has a religious title or a specific belief, it does not automatically make them right for you.

Does that make sense?

God, in himself, tells us that he is love. Jesus leaves us with one command above all things, to fulfill all the law of God; 'Love others as yourself'. He tells us that this command is 'like unto' the first, in otherwords, this command is equal to the command 'love thy God with all your heart', and in practice, the second commandment fulfills the first.

Really, in my eyes, what you have found is a person who actively loves, actively shows honesty, actively cares. I suppose it boils to whether love is something you think that someone simply has because of their religious indoctrination or beliefs or titles or labels, or whether you see love as something that is done, thereby transcending the labels and conditions ascribed to it by many people.

Now, that isn't to say that this person is right for you, nor that this person inherently 'believes' in God or 'believes' and thus has 'faith' in the usual sense, but it is to say that this person has an inner trust in things like honesty, caring, love - these are the things on which Godly character rests.

If I said to you, 'what is the one trait upon which all the teaching of Jesus rests upon?', would you say 'faith'? If you said 'faith', I could ask you what is faith? And the answer is that faith is another word for 'trust'.

I could ask you then, 'well, trust in what?' And you could say 'trust that Jesus died for men', or you could say 'trust that what Jesus taught should be adhered to'. Or both.

The first perspective will make it far harder for you to be compatible with this person, while the second will allow you to see that this person in fact, unknowingly, shares the same trust - she trusts that compassion, love, honesty and caring are life views to be revered and respected and cultivated, because if she didn't, she wouldn't live by them.

So, inherently, nobody can answer your question for you, since the answer to your question lies solely on the order in which you place importance of things in life. If the most important thing to you, for any partner of yours to possess, is the belief that God, as outlined in christianity (remember, there are many views of 'God') sent Jesus who died on the cross, then you will find it very hard to be compatible with this person. If the most important thing to you, for any partner of yours to possess, is the quality of compassion, thus you can look past your differences, then you will find it easy to become compatible with this person.

I argue that the most important thing may not in fact be faith in the act of the cricifixion itself, but trust or faith in the man who was crucified. Does that make sense? That isn't to say that Jesus sacrifice is not important, of course it is, but without trust in his path, his walk, his instructions which he made example of on Earth, his life before his death - without trust in all of this, what is the profession of belief in his death worth?

It is nothing except trust in one act for the sake of everything else that made Jesus special - his love, his caring, his honesty.
 
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don't be unequally yoked. it's not worth it. There are a few guys in my life that atleast believed in God, but they weren't at the same level of faith as I was so I didn't/couldn't pursue them. i don't know if it was because of my predetermined standards and/or the will of God. i think it is both. I think you should try showing this person the light :) just ease up on them. Ask God how to do this and then (if she was meant for you) she'll be yours :) just remember to approach her with love and not hostility. I have a lot to say, but i don't want this to be a long comment.
 
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Nothing teaches wisdom like experience right?
Wisdom doesn't come by experience. It comes by the eyes you view the experience through.

The person that gets beat up by bullies and takes up boxing so that he can become the bigger bully isn't inherently wise, nomatter if he's old or not. The person who gets beat up and comes to understand the insecurities of his oppressors - and so has compassion and then forgiveness for them - would be wise in his experiences, nomatter if he's old or not.
 

Desdichado

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Dating success is often determined by what your goals are. If you just want someone to talk with (not advised), then go ahead, be my guest. If you are looking for a long-term partner, find somebody who cares most about what you care about.

I think Jhana is right to a degree, but only insofar as those qualities are every bit as important in the life partner you choose. Yeah, no pressure there.

Ask yourself this question: would I want to raise kids with a person who believes x?
 
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Dating success is often determined by what your goals are. If you just want someone to talk with (not advised), then go ahead, be my guest. If you are looking for a long-term partner, find somebody who cares most about what you care about.

I think Jhana is right to a degree, but only insofar as those qualities are every bit as important in the life partner you choose. Yeah, no pressure there.

Ask yourself this question: would I want to raise kids with a person who believes x?
I'd ask first;

1. What exactly is 'x'? What do I agree with in 'x', and what do I not agree with in 'x'? can I look past what I don't find good in 'x'?

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2. Does she actually want kids? Are kids a must in marriage for me? Or is love between two people enough?

In the end, beliefs and doctrines don't equate to compatibility. Compatibility is nothing more than a matter of perspectives. Two people with hugely different beliefs, who have cohabitant perspectives, will be perfect for one another, because relationships also thrive under being challenged, and under passion for one another, the mystery of finding the facts and bringing them together with the same perspective. Two people like this can disagree with the 'facts', but agree on the interpretations. This is an absolutely electric kind of relationship.

Two people with exactly the same beliefs on facts, though, coming from different perspectives will never gel.

It's a million-watt amplifier at a Guns n' Roses concert versus a violin concerto with every other note missing and the sheets in the wrong order.
 
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Dating success is often determined by what your goals are. If you just want someone to talk with (not advised), then go ahead, be my guest. If you are looking for a long-term partner, find somebody who cares most about what you care about.

I think Jhana is right to a degree, but only insofar as those qualities are every bit as important in the life partner you choose. Yeah, no pressure there.

Ask yourself this question: would I want to raise kids with a person who believes x?
Desdichado.....why don't you come to your senses? You've been out riding fences for so long now. Oh, you're a hard one! I know that you got your reasons. But you better let somebody love you, before it's too late.
 
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My answer to this would have to be yes simply because my boyfriend is an agonist and religion was never an issue for us. He respected my beliefs and I respected his. Thing is, he isn't obnoxious about it and from what I have seen, just because someone is Christian it does not guarantee that they are a good person. There are some who claim to be Christian and live lives of lies and continuously hurt others and so on. So yes, my answer is yes because no matter his religious views he is a good, honest person with admirable values.
 
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What if you found a person who was really smart, loving, fun, honest, caring, etc. (Basically all of the qualities you would like in a person) But the only thing is that, that person had strong atheist views and made it clear to you that he/she didn't believe in God. Would you still date that person in the hopes of maybe changing his/her mind on God one day, or would you just respect his/her views and deal with it?
Missionary dating leads to painful divorce
 
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What if you found a person who was really smart, loving, fun, honest, caring, etc. (Basically all of the qualities you would like in a person) But the only thing is that, that person had strong atheist views and made it clear to you that he/she didn't believe in God. Would you still date that person in the hopes of maybe changing his/her mind on God one day, or would you just respect his/her views and deal with it?
Of course I would respect their views. I don't have to date them to do that, though.
 
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FireWire

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Interesting! I never read this verse in the bible before or never thought of it this way. I always thought if your significant other had good morals and was overall a good person it would be okay to be together even if she was an atheist. I guess not though. But what about friends? Can we be friends with non-believers? God tells us to love everyone right? But like Pres19 said, it could possibly cause us to lose faith in our beliefs or God in general... hmm.
You can be friends but even then you have to be careful not to let them influence you in their worldly ways so the same verse applies.
 

Misty77

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I'll let just about anybody buy me dinner. (I'm a single mom. I'm cheap like that.) Getting into a relationship of any sort is another story.
 
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As long as my girlfriend can cook, I won't give a hoot about her religious beliefs.
 
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As long as my girlfriend can cook, I won't give a hoot about her religious beliefs.
Amen to that!

Seriously though when it comes to long term goals, big decisions, and parenting having similar religious beliefs can be very helpful.
 
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storrmie

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I would not date that person just because I am not strong enough in my beliefs. I mean I know in my head there's a God and I am supposed to believe, and I say I believe, and I really want to and try to believe, but deep down I have doubts, and If God is really all knowing, he knows that, and that scares me because I do not want to go to hell. So,, no I would not want to date an atheist because It might make my doubts stronger, and I so much want to believe God is real, I pray even though it feels like I am talking to the wall. I read my bible, and I go to church.
 
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I would not date that person just because I am not strong enough in my beliefs. I mean I know in my head there's a God and I am supposed to believe, and I say I believe, and I really want to and try to believe, but deep down I have doubts, and If God is really all knowing, he knows that, and that scares me because I do not want to go to hell. So,, no I would not want to date an atheist because It might make my doubts stronger, and I so much want to believe God is real, I pray even though it feels like I am talking to the wall. I read my bible, and I go to church.
How do you know you are supposed to believe?
What reasons do you have that led to this knowledge of God in your head?
Belief should be based on reasons not fear and/or obligation.

I feel for you, you are in a tough spot that many, many people are in. As was I at one point.
My advice, think for yourself, come to your own conclusions. Don't accept things just because it is what you are supposed to do.
 
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I have always been tempted to do so, but ultimately I don't think i'd feel right about it. Personally I view dating as a start to marriage and I'm not sure I could be involved with an atheist like that. I went through a very tough time in my life worrying about loved ones salvation, getting so close to someone as in marriage or dating would be setting myself for more worrying perhaps at a worse level as I would likely be extremely close to my wife. Also if I want to have a child with my wife, I imagine she would want the child to have her beliefs just like I would want the child to have mine, that could be a bit of a tough way to raise a child with two opposite beliefs and may lead the child to be an atheist himself, which again could lead to me being in a tough period over the child's salvation. For me God is someone I'd like to talk about to my spouse and not have it be a debate, which is what it could be if the person was an atheist.
 

Desdichado

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I'd ask first;

1. What exactly is 'x'? What do I agree with in 'x', and what do I not agree with in 'x'? can I look past what I don't find good in 'x'?

and then

2. Does she actually want kids? Are kids a must in marriage for me? Or is love between two people enough?

In the end, beliefs and doctrines don't equate to compatibility. Compatibility is nothing more than a matter of perspectives. Two people with hugely different beliefs, who have cohabitant perspectives, will be perfect for one another, because relationships also thrive under being challenged, and under passion for one another, the mystery of finding the facts and bringing them together with the same perspective. Two people like this can disagree with the 'facts', but agree on the interpretations. This is an absolutely electric kind of relationship.

Two people with exactly the same beliefs on facts, though, coming from different perspectives will never gel.

It's a million-watt amplifier at a Guns n' Roses concert versus a violin concerto with every other note missing and the sheets in the wrong order.
Point 1- You are right, but splitting hairs. Those questions are implied.

Point 2- I concede the point, sir. It isn't enough merely to have the same beliefs. That is where morons like Mark Gungor are wrong.

The only woman I've ever loved saw the stars shine the same way I did or could at least appreciate the constellations I drew with my fingers. That is the passionate side of the relationship and it is vital.

Most couples cannot sustain that sort of fire. It seems like you might be able to, since you come across as a smart and rather playful intellect. The exchange is important to you, which is cool but rare.

That said though, I think you're missing the common wisdom at work here. Disagreements come as fire in any relationship, especially one as passionate as you describe. Most people need stability at the deepest levels and that means general agreement concerning the most important questions.