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Personally, I don't think anyone that commits suicide goes to Heaven. If someone were truly "saved" they most likely wouldn't do such a thing. I think a true Christian would give their life but not take their life.
I hope you're not asking this question so you can have justification for killing yourself. You are much loved. Please seek counsel.
God Bless
I hope you're not asking this question so you can have justification for killing yourself. You are much loved. Please seek counsel.
God Bless
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Sweety, My aunt killed herself 16 years ago and we still don't have answers. She also left behind 4 kids who now stay in and out of jail and have to face everyday not knowing why she did or even the fact that she did. It was the worse funeral I ever went too and as I watched her oldest son a couple of months later walk acrossed the stage to get his diploma, I couldn't help but asked myself and even her WHY? It was pure shock! And even if there was a note, it still wouldn't have mattered! I hope this helps. By the way. She lived for a few minutes after shooting herself and her mother in law took her hand and was praying for her while she was dying.
J
Hey BrokenAngel1991,
If you are contemplating suicide, I sincerely beg you to seek professional medical help. Tell someone you're having these thoughts. I know I'm just some faceless person on the internet, and that discussing these sorts of things with friends and family can be scary, but you really should if you are having thoughts of suicide. If you need further counsel, you can always try Kids Help Phone. It's toll free, and it won't show up on the phone bill as "KIDS HELP PHONE" or anything like that. Sister, I know we may not know each other, but as members of the body of Christ we are intimately and spiritually connected; just as all Christians are. I genuinely beg you to seek help if you are feeling this way.
As for the topic at hand, suicide is a very, very serious sin. It isn't for me, as a human with limited scope and knowledge, to tell you what one's eternal fate would be if they committed suicide. That is only for God to decide.
Life will never be easy, but suicide is definitely never the answer. God loves you, the body of Christ loves you, and I am sure there are friends and family who love you too.
If you are contemplating suicide, I sincerely beg you to seek professional medical help. Tell someone you're having these thoughts. I know I'm just some faceless person on the internet, and that discussing these sorts of things with friends and family can be scary, but you really should if you are having thoughts of suicide. If you need further counsel, you can always try Kids Help Phone. It's toll free, and it won't show up on the phone bill as "KIDS HELP PHONE" or anything like that. Sister, I know we may not know each other, but as members of the body of Christ we are intimately and spiritually connected; just as all Christians are. I genuinely beg you to seek help if you are feeling this way.
As for the topic at hand, suicide is a very, very serious sin. It isn't for me, as a human with limited scope and knowledge, to tell you what one's eternal fate would be if they committed suicide. That is only for God to decide.
Life will never be easy, but suicide is definitely never the answer. God loves you, the body of Christ loves you, and I am sure there are friends and family who love you too.
C
I don't think BrokenAngel is contemplating suicide she just asked the question. I too have been touched suicide one of my school buddies killed himself he suffered from deep depression yes he sought help through the medical field. He was a young father and the pressures of daily life got to him. It always leaves questions more questions than answers when someone decides to end their life. As to what is next for them that is a question truly only God knows the answer.
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That's what I thought, but I just wanted to be sure ^_^
It's a very grave sin, but only God can say for sure whether those who do it go to Hell. Based on Scripture alone, I'd say those that do it are punished... But it isn't for us to say who God does and doesn't save; only He chooses that, and the Scriptures tell us He is merciful and loving and just.
It's a very grave sin, but only God can say for sure whether those who do it go to Hell. Based on Scripture alone, I'd say those that do it are punished... But it isn't for us to say who God does and doesn't save; only He chooses that, and the Scriptures tell us He is merciful and loving and just.
S
I do not believe that suicide is an unforgivable sin, but I wouldn't want to test my theory if you know what I mean. There are many verses in the Bible that say a person will be rewarded if they push through their hard times and persevere to the end. What if a person who commits suicide had a chance in life to get better, be free of depression and then be able to minister to people who are suicidal?
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I see a lot of contradiction when this topic comes up, and it has a few times since I've joined up here, on one hand I read that with the exception of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit all sins are equal and there is no scale that makes one worse than another to God.
If you accept that then the argument suicide will not be forgiven doesn't really hold up, what I also find rather odd is this belief that suicides will go to hell because they cannot repent when they are dead and so cannot be forgiven the sin.
I've always understood that God knows our minds and so our thoughts and we cannot keep anything from him, so not being alive to pray for forgiveness can't really mean that he doesn't know the sorrow of the person who did it and that underneath the storm of emotion that led them to it they are sorry and wish to seek his forgiveness.
I often wonder what that argument means for a christian who commits a sin and gets killed in an accident before they have time to pray and ask forgiveness, if they're then dead and cannot repent can they not be forgiven the sin? and if all sins are equal does that mean that person goes to hell because the sin they commited is no more or less serious than suicide?.
I don't really have an opinion except to say I don't think it can be answered definitively and there is a lot of assumption around the subject.
If you accept that then the argument suicide will not be forgiven doesn't really hold up, what I also find rather odd is this belief that suicides will go to hell because they cannot repent when they are dead and so cannot be forgiven the sin.
I've always understood that God knows our minds and so our thoughts and we cannot keep anything from him, so not being alive to pray for forgiveness can't really mean that he doesn't know the sorrow of the person who did it and that underneath the storm of emotion that led them to it they are sorry and wish to seek his forgiveness.
I often wonder what that argument means for a christian who commits a sin and gets killed in an accident before they have time to pray and ask forgiveness, if they're then dead and cannot repent can they not be forgiven the sin? and if all sins are equal does that mean that person goes to hell because the sin they commited is no more or less serious than suicide?.
I don't really have an opinion except to say I don't think it can be answered definitively and there is a lot of assumption around the subject.
I believe that if you are a faithful christian and have honestly tried your best and just cant take it anymore God will step in and stop you from killing yourself. It may not be in the form of a wondrous miracle or great vision or a visit from an angel but it might just be a thought or a feeling that comes over you which changes your mind.
M
I've always believed that it is a "mortal sin" for lack of a better word.
I've been taught and felt convicted through my studies that constant sinning will take away your relationship with God and when you die.. hell.
But if you're a christian and die with unforgiveness on your heart.. or you've been disrespectful to your mother and father, done drugs, stolen something, i dont think you'd be going straight to hell. Only if the actions had caused you to walk away from your relationship with Jesus.
As for advocating that murdering yourself will not bring ****ation... That is just too dangerous a statement to make.
This isn't just... sin and see how it affects your relationship with God.. be convicted, or have discernment in a matter, then come back to the Lord. IT"S FINAL.
There is no forgiveness after the fact. You can still die believing that Jesus your personal lord and savior... but if in killing yourself you lose that relationship, then you've lost it for eternity.
If anyone does believe suicide is forgivable then pray. Pray. You feel and hear God speak in your life about everything else. I would expect that this would be something his conviction would speak pretty strongly about if you raised it to him. If you feel that it is ok, I would urge you to contact your pastor or youth pastor, and ask him/her to pray with you for discernment.
God Bless folks - D
M
Ah sister, Check it like this.
In a perfect world you are born and your parents love you. As life goes on you make a relationship with them.
A you sin once or twice it strains the relationship... continued sinning against what they have taught you will continue to strain the relationship until you have walked away from the relationship you have with your parents. (I say that because God never walks away from us)
If you die and have walked away from God then you are not with him. And the cost is eternal. If you die and the relationship is strained but you still have a relationship with Jesus our saviour then you your eternity is in relationship with God.
As i said.. im not sure whether killing yourself is enough to make you walk away from your relationship with God. But It's not something I will ever risk. Nor should anyone else ever advocate.
You are gambelling your eternal salvation on a hope that you can escape the life God has laid out for you.
In a perfect world you are born and your parents love you. As life goes on you make a relationship with them.
A you sin once or twice it strains the relationship... continued sinning against what they have taught you will continue to strain the relationship until you have walked away from the relationship you have with your parents. (I say that because God never walks away from us)
If you die and have walked away from God then you are not with him. And the cost is eternal. If you die and the relationship is strained but you still have a relationship with Jesus our saviour then you your eternity is in relationship with God.
As i said.. im not sure whether killing yourself is enough to make you walk away from your relationship with God. But It's not something I will ever risk. Nor should anyone else ever advocate.
You are gambelling your eternal salvation on a hope that you can escape the life God has laid out for you.
K
I am in no way saying that you should comit suicide. If you have such thoughts please seek help asap. However people that do that are in a terable desperate state. So to think that God would send you to hell for that? When the person only wants release from their current state of despair to me that thought is evil. What God would do such a thing to someone in so much pain? I just don't get at all how such a thing would dam someone to hell. Shouldn't God then hold you that much tighter to him/her? That's what I'd do if I was God.
M
Sister, God gifted us with free will. It's annoying. Alot of Christian, my younger self included, wished we could be a robot so i didnt have to feel pain or make hard decisions.
And unfortunantly, we have the knowledge of Good and Evil.
What happens when you start labelling things good and evil in society. Evil leads to judgement, which leads to punishment. If we live under good and evil so too are we judged.
On the flip side. Do you think it's a coincidence that the other tree that God intended for us was called the "Tree of Life"?
The ways of life are grace, forgiveness, mercy. Do these concepts fit in good and evil?
Sister I think you need to understand if you don't is that this world is very much a spiritual battle.
1Jn 1:5 says that God is light and in him is no darkness at all. There is no duality with God.
Being that death has no place within God, we might assume that that desire to end our own life may be coming from just our own head.. but considering that your very soul is what is being fought over in the spiritual, I would have to say any serious feelings of suidide must be from a spirit of torment.
How different would the world be if we only ate of Life?
This is the crux of our faith in my opinion. we need to choose things that lead to life not judgement.
And unfortunantly, we have the knowledge of Good and Evil.
What happens when you start labelling things good and evil in society. Evil leads to judgement, which leads to punishment. If we live under good and evil so too are we judged.
On the flip side. Do you think it's a coincidence that the other tree that God intended for us was called the "Tree of Life"?
The ways of life are grace, forgiveness, mercy. Do these concepts fit in good and evil?
Sister I think you need to understand if you don't is that this world is very much a spiritual battle.
1Jn 1:5 says that God is light and in him is no darkness at all. There is no duality with God.
Being that death has no place within God, we might assume that that desire to end our own life may be coming from just our own head.. but considering that your very soul is what is being fought over in the spiritual, I would have to say any serious feelings of suidide must be from a spirit of torment.
How different would the world be if we only ate of Life?
This is the crux of our faith in my opinion. we need to choose things that lead to life not judgement.
K
Brother, so only because we have society we have this knowledge? You see an animal kill another for food that doesn't make the predator evil does it? In that case God has made us in his/her image and us doing what is in our nature can't be seen as evil. Since everything we do is in our nature because we really can't grow wings and fly aren't you putting your own bias on what you think God thinks good and evil is? And isn't saying we need to do things to live for life a judgment of itself? To me knowledge is the reason we are here and not some other species. We survived things a lot bigger and a lot scarier then us and we did that using our intellect and working together. Suicide I'm not saying it's a good thing but there are reasons for it that when we love and show comfort to others so they don't feel like an outsider that is your cure. So to me it is a lot of what society has failed at doing to protect people which is it's primary function. Things aren't perfect but things can change, and part of that change is the knowledge of what needs to be done. That way we can give our future generations a past to be proud of, and make a base to have paradise here.
D
The only people who believe suicide is an unforgivable sin are Roman Catholics. They have a false doctrine based on tradition instead of actual scripture when it comes to that. Nothing in scripture says suicide is unforgivable. The ONLY unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the holy spirit. If you truly believe you need to repent for every sin you make after you are saved, then you don't believe in the power of Christ as the ultimate sacrifice. It's as simple as that. You are forgiven for all sins, past, present, and future through Christ. Repentance brings you closer to God, but it doesn't change if you are already saved or not.
If you sinned, and then got into an accident and died before you could repent, would that mean you are not saved anymore and go to hell? If you believe this, then I feel sorry for you. The same situation applies to suicide.
Oh yes, and those that say murder is unforgivable and that suicide is murdering yourself... you must not have read up on Moses, or David, or Paul, or countless other men in scripture. This just shows ignorance of scripture instead of an actual foundation in a relationship through Christ.
If you sinned, and then got into an accident and died before you could repent, would that mean you are not saved anymore and go to hell? If you believe this, then I feel sorry for you. The same situation applies to suicide.
Oh yes, and those that say murder is unforgivable and that suicide is murdering yourself... you must not have read up on Moses, or David, or Paul, or countless other men in scripture. This just shows ignorance of scripture instead of an actual foundation in a relationship through Christ.
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