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New Massachusetts Gun Law Revealed: One Gun A Month, Seven Round Mag Limit, Etc. | The Truth About Guns

By Robert Farago on January 17, 2013

Massachusetts Governor Patrick’s office has released the text of An Act To Strengthen and Enhance Firearms Laws in the Commonwealth [Click here for the text of the bill. Click here for the Governor's Press Release touting the civilian disarmament package]. TTAG legal eagle Chris Dumm parsed the laws and provided the following bullet points. Make the jump for the key text change on magazine capacity.

- Seven round mag limit – Magazines are now limited to seven rounds. Current 10 round mags are grandfathered. Owners of so-called “pre-ban” Mass mags (magazines with more than 10-rounds which were allowable under existing law) have one year to ditch them

- One Gun A Month – Sales – Bay Staters may not purchase more than one firearm per month. To exceed that rate is a felony. (2.5 years in prison, $1000 fine)

- One Gun a Month – Rental/Lease – Citizens may not rent or lease more than one firearm a month (2.5 years in prison $1000 fine)

- Universal background checks – All firearms sales (including private sales) must be preceded by a NICS criminal background check

- Gun show registration – Gun shows must report every seller at a show to the Department of Criminal Justice Services and pay a $500 fee to same

- No Bail for Gun Offenders - If a gun is used in a violent crime the offender may be held without bail until trial

- NERF-free schools - Airguns, BB guns, paintball guns, air rifles and yes NERF guns may not be possessed on school property ($500 and a year in jail)

- “Rat Rule” – Any staff or administrators who fail to report a violation of the above law are criminals ($500 fine)

Chapter 140, Section 121 “Large capacity feeding device”, (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13,
1994 containing more than seven rounds of ammunition; or (iii) obtained after the effective date of this act and capable of accepting, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than seven rounds of ammunition.. The term “large capacity feeding device” shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with,.22 caliber ammunition.

Chapter 140, Section 131M. No person shall sell, offer for sale, transfer or possess an assault weapon or a large capacity feeding device that was not otherwise lawfully possessed on September 13, 1994; or (ii) a large capacity feeding device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition; or (iii) a large capacity feeding device that such person lawfully possessed before the effective date of this act that has a capacity of, or that can readily be restored or converted to accept, more than seven but no more than ten rounds of ammunition, where such device contains more than seven rounds of ammunition.” Whoever not being licensed under the provisions of section 122 violates the provisions of this section shall be punished, for a first offense, by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment, and for a second offense, by a fine of not less than $5,000 nor more than $15,000 or by imprisonment for not less than five years nor more than 15 years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to: (i) the possession by a law enforcement officer for purposes of law enforcement; or (ii) the possession by an individual who is retired from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving such a weapon or feeding device from such agency upon retirement.

 

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Last U.S. Lead Smelter to Close in December Due to EPA – Might Affect Ammo Production

Last U.S. Lead Smelter to Close in December Due to EPA – Might Affect Ammo Production

According to the NRA-ILA, the last primary lead smelter in the United States will close down its operation in December.

This means the US will lose its capability to produce lead ammo completely within its borders from the process of mining to production of commercial cartridges.

Here is the press release from the NRA-ILA.

In December, the final primary lead smelter in the United States will close. The lead smelter, located in Herculaneum, Missouri, and owned and operated by the Doe Run Company, has existed in the same location since 1892.

The Herculaneum smelter is currently the only smelter in the United States which can produce lead bullion from raw lead ore that is mined nearby in Missouri’s extensive lead deposits, giving the smelter its “primary” designation. The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum is then sold to lead product producers, including ammunition manufactures for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers. Several “secondary” smelters, where lead is recycled from products such as lead acid batteries or spent ammunition components, still operate in the United States.

Doe Run made significant efforts to reduce lead emissions from the smelter, but in 2008 the federal Environmental Protection Agency issued new National Ambient Air Quality Standards for lead that were 10 times tighter than the previous standard. Given the new lead air quality standard, Doe Run made the decision to close the Herculaneum smelter.

Whatever the EPA’s motivation when creating the new lead air quality standard, increasingly restrictive regulation of lead is likely to affect the production and cost of traditional ammunition. Just this month, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a bill that will ban lead ammunition for all hunting in California. The Center for Biological Diversity has tried multiple times to get similar regulations at the federal level by trying, and repeatedly failing, to get the EPA to regulate conventional ammunition under the Toxic Substances Control Act.

At this time, it’s unclear if Doe Run or another company will open a new lead smelter in the United States that can meet the more stringent lead air quality standards by using more modern smelting methods. What is clear is that after the Herculaneum smelter closes its doors in December, entirely domestic manufacture of conventional ammunition, from raw ore to finished cartridge, will be impossible.

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[Drett]

I used to be very anti gun and in most countries I am. The US government though has shown it can mix it with the darkest of regimes. I am not so sure about the US now.

 

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Friend or Faux?

List of companies that ship ammo or components to Ma [Archive] - Northeastshooters.com Forums


I posted this in another thread, but I was asked (several times) to put it here too:


I'm posting this for any newbies that might read this thread and wonder why we have the 'No Posting Of Vendors" policy. Here are a couple of documented indisputable facts:

1. There are anti-gun state employees that - in their official capacity - have the ability to make peoples' lives really miserable. These people read this forum.

2. There are vendors that used to ship components, ammo, and accessories to Mass that no longer do so since they were threatened by the AG's office. Top Brass is one, Sportsman's Guide is another, and there are many more.

3. There is a law on the books that prohibits a business from selling ammunition in Mass unless they have an ammunition seller's license issued by the CLEO in the town in which they are located. Obviously, this law was intended to be applied to brick-and-mortar businesses located within the Commonwealth. The AG's office has taken it upon themselves to interpret the law as meaning that any business that wants to sell/ship ammo to Mass must have a license from every community where they intend to ship/sell. Since no vendor is willing to spend $11,700 per year to get the licenses, and no CLEO can/will issue a license to a vendor that is not located in their town, the AG's office has 'made' it illegal to ship ammo to anybody in Mass. There is another different law that classifies any ammunition component (case, bullet, primer, or powder) as "ammunition", so the AG has extended it's special interpretation to the sale of components as well.

The state has a virtually unlimited legal budget, especially when it comes to protecting the children from evil ammo. Vendors do not. The AG's interpretation has never been challenged in court. If it ever is challenged, it might stand up and it might not. The only thing that's certain is that -win or lose - it's going to cost a shitload of money for somebody to fight it. What the AG has been doing is sending letters to the vendors threatening (protracted) legal action, and the possibility of huge fines unless the vendor agrees in writing to not ever ship certain items to Mass again. Ever. It's been very effective for them. So far, no vendor receiving such a letter has weighed the financial pluses and minuses and decided to fight rather than acquiesce.

See? Nobody here is worried about getting in trouble by receiving ammo/components in the mail. There's no law (or even an interpretation of a law) against that. We can't get in trouble, only the vendor can.

So, by posting the name of the vendor here, you are 'outing' them to the people that would like to do them harm, and indirectly hurting every gun owner in the state by removing yet another source for ammo and components.

If you want to find vendors that will ship to Mass, be proactive and do what everybody else did: Google vendors and place an order. If they ship to Mass you'll get it, if they don't, they'll let you know.

Don't take the lazy way out and ask here. Nobody is going to post it, and unless they know you personally, they probably won't give you the info even by PM.


Shipping ammo to Massachusetts? Legal? - AR15.COM


NRA says it is legal to mail order ammo in MA: GOAL's Ammunition Sales Information Page

What has happened in the past is that the MA AG has gone after a number of mailorder places that shipped ammo here and threatened legal action, and thereby essentially forced a number of companies into signing agreements that they would no longer sell into MA and making them pay fines. If you think about it, fighting an anti-gun state government is a good way to go broke, so most places caved. I have watched this unfold and have spoken with someone who this happened to (a mail order place).

For this reason, anyone who knows a company that will still ship here is very tight-lipped.


Here's a new one about shipping ammo to MA.... [Archive] - Northeastshooters.com Forums


**DISCLAIMER: DO NOT MENTION ANY NAMES OF ANY COMPANIES THAT SHIP TO MA**

So I've discovered a great little hole in the wall online ammo seller. Their policies said nothing about not shipping to MA, so I figured what the hell I'll place an order. I get an email saying to my ordered is prepared and being shipped, YES!

Or so I thought....

What followed was a phone call from the company, telling me that they were not against doing business in MA, but just wanted to clarify some things before sending out my package. The company was looking for documentation that it was OK to ship ammo to MA. Since the law does not prohibit it, there is no documentation. Recommended to me by another member, I photocopied my LTC and sent it off to the company to prove I was legal and licensed to purchase firearms and ammunition in MA.

I was informed they were still going to follow up with the AG, State Police, etc., etc. Today they emailed me back with this response:


"The answer I have from them is that you have to present your license to the seller in person, I can not accept a faxed copy, and I am not allowed to ship ammunition to your state. If you know of legislation that differs from what I have been told, please let me know and I will be happy to look further into this matter.*"

So basically, if I go to this company, and present my MASSACHUSETTS license in a foreign state, they can then ship ammunition to my house. Please, don't ask where the company is, cause I'm not saying in the interest to protect this resource that just may turn and see the light. After another phone conversation, the company really wants to look into the issue and resolve it. I think they understand they don't want to lose a customer base due to bad information, which is exactly what the AG, State Police, and whatever other agencies they called gave.

I point the company in the direction of the GOAL page that talks about shipping ammo to MA, as well as telling them they should request what they were told in writing, because I doubt they will ever get it.

Totally baffled at some of the crap that comes out of state agencies....

 

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The Bloody Massacre in King Street

Boston Massacre Historical Society

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Boston Massacre - the First Battle of the Revolutionary War

The Boston Massacre is considered by many historians to be the first battle of the Revolutionary War. The fatal incident happened on March 5 of 1770. The massacre resulted in the death of five colonists. British troops in the Massachusetts Bay Colony were there to stop demonstrations against the Townshend Acts and keep order, but instead they provoked outrage. The British soldiers and citizens brawled in streets and fought in bars. “The citizens viewed the British soldiers as potential oppressors, competitors for jobs, and a treat to social mores”. A defiant anti-British fever was lingering among the townspeople.

There are three major things that led to the Boston Massacre: First was the growing mistrust among the British soldiers and Americans. There were a number of other incidents were the British clashed with the patriots and their supporters. Individual soldiers were beaten on street corners and soldiers abused unarmed civilians. In all the Americans in Boston made it clear that the British soldiers were unwanted. The second reason is somewhat odd. The removal of two out of four regiments meant there were to inadequate amounts of soldiers to keep the peace. There were enough on the other hand to remind the patriots of the great British military. The last reason would be the revolt of the Townshend Acts. The patriots and Americans did not agree and strife with the British soldiers over it. The Act built tension between the two.

On March 5, 1770 the dreadful day came. A mob of people went in front of the Customs Office in Boston Massachusetts and started to throw stuff and give insults at the soldiers. As a result to this so-called harassment the soldiers fired on the crowd. The first to die was an African-Amercan man named Crispus Attucks. He was a native of Framingham, Massachusetts. He escaped from slavery in 1750 and had become a sailor. Crispus Attucks is considered the first martyr of the American Independence. The four others who died were Samuel gray, a rope maker; James Caldwell, a sailor; Samuel Maverick, a seventeen year old apprentice and Patrick Carr, a leather worker and Irish immigrant. All in which were unarmed and brutally murdered.

The soldiers killed three, mortally wounded two others, and wounded six. How much harassment could they have done to deserve to be shot? The most the protesters should have gotten is to be arrested.

To please the crowds Governor Hutchinson arrested the soldiers and promised the people that there would be a trial. John Adams and Josiah Quincy took the defense of the soldiers and Preston. The soldiers went to trial in September and they and captain Preston pleaded innocent. The eight men and Preston were tried separately and only two were found guilty. The others were acquitted while the two found guilty were branded on the hand and released, an easy penalty for murder. Preston was found innocent. Adams was successful in proving the soldiers fired in self-defense. The soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre were proven innocent. “Adam proved that the soldiers fired in self-defense”.

I believe the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre and/or the captain Tomas Preston should have been convicted Guilty. The five deaths were unjustified and unneeded. All of the five men were unarmed at the time of the shootings. If someone throws an apple at you, you don’t shoot him or her. In a today’s court system I believe them British soldiers would have been guilty and been convicted with murder. “Adams said, the killing were justified and blamed the violence of the immigrant Patrick Carr and Crispus Attucks”.

So if Adams believes the death of the five men were blamed on them two how come they weren’t just arrested and how come the others were shot. “Adams told the jury that the illegal assembly was guilty of every crime a mob might commit”.
I don’t think the mob crimes of throwing snowballs and other stuff deserve the death penalty. The five men were shot and murdered by the soldiers. I feel the soldiers were looking for a fight. The soldiers provoked the citizen’s countless times. “British soldiers and citizens fought and clashed during the winter of 1769”. The soldiers even fired in the streets, that endangering a great number of lives. The soldiers also frequently wounded people with their bayonets and cutlasses. “The numerous instances of bad behavior in the soldiery, made us early sensible that the troops were not sent here for any benefit to the town or province, and that no good to expect from such conservators of the peace”.

The soldiers that were stationed in Boston were guilty for many other crimes. I think either the soldiers should have been guilty for firing without an order or that Preston should have been guilty for giving the order to fire. According to Liesenfelt, the eight men said they were following Preston orders and should be tried at one time. So the soldiers are saying they were following orders which means Preston is guilty. Also three black witnesses gave testimony that they did hear an order to fire by Preston. Then again a merchant said he did not hear an order. Either way the soldiers and/or Preston should have been guilty.

I think it a lot easier to miss something said than to be hearing things. So the evidence is there that Preston gave an order to fire. I feel the verdict of the trial of the Boston Massacre should have been “guilty”. The victims were unarmed and brutally murdered. I soldier enraged the citizens and were guilty of many other crimes. The order to fire give from Preston proves he’s guilty of the crime of manslaughter. My conclusion is that the soldiers and/or Preston are guilty. “Half a pale of blood had been spilled into he snow”


The Agitators

Edward Garrick

A young wigmaker's apprentice who arrived to the Customs House and called out to a British officer, Captain Lieutenant John Goldfinch, that he had not paid his master's bill.

Bartholomew Broaders

Broaders was a friend of Edward Garrick. After Garrick was struck on on the side of the head by Hugh White, Broaders exchanged insults with White. This attracted a larger crowd.


Speech by John Adams at the Boston Massacre Trial

This speach is taken verbatim from the Legal Papers of John Adams, No. 64. Rex v. Wemms, pp. 260-270. Tuesday, NINE o'Clock, the Court met according to adjournment, and Mr. ADAMS proceeded.

May it please your Honours, and you Gentlemen of the Jury, I yesterday afternoon produced from the best authorities, those rules of law which must govern all cases of homicide, particularly that which is now before you; it now remains to consider the evidence, and see whether any thing has occurred, that may be compared to the rules read to you; and I will not trouble myself nor you with laboured endeavours to be methodical...



The Results of the Trial

The Massacre trials ended quietly. Samuel Adams wrote several articles in the Boston Gazette during December, 1770, under the pseudonym "Vindex," that accused the soldiers of escaping with blood on their hands. But the mood had changed in Boston since the Massacre. He turned his attentions to keeping the memory of the Massacre alive, organizing annual commemorations on March 5, a tradition that lasted until 1783.

Kilroy and Montgomery faced the death penalty at the sentencing on December 14, 1770. To escape execution they "prayed the benefit of clergy," a Medieval remnant of the time when clergymen were excepted from the secular courts. To receive the benefit they had only to prove they could read Psalm 51, verse 1, the "neck verse," at a time when most people were illiterate. Although illiterate himself, Kilroy was able to obtain the benefit because the reading requirement was abolished in 1705.

Suffolk County Sheriff Stephen Greenleaf branded Kilroy and Montgomery on the right thumb with an "M" for murder. The brand was to prevent them from ever being able to invoke the benefit of clergy again.

After his acquittal, Captain Preston removed himself from Boston to Castle William in Boston Harbor, and eventually returned to England. The soldiers returned to the Twenty-ninth Regiment, which had left Boston following the Massacre.


Myths of the Boston Massacre

Starting from the name itself, this landmark event of the American Revolution proved to be a magnet for popular myths and misconceptions.

It was not called the “The Boston Massacre” until many years after it occurred in 1773. The first popular name popularized by Paul Revere was The Bloody Massacre in King Street. In the early 1800's it was also called the State Street Massacre.

In many history books the dramatic shooting is described as the spark that ignited the Revolutionary War. Perhaps one of the reasons is the loss of human lives. In reality there were several other historic milestones although less dramatic, that moved Boston towards the revolution. Townshend Acts, Stamp Act and Boston Tea Party were some of them.

One of the most interesting myths is that the scuffle on King’s street started from the accusations thrown at one of the British officers that he did not pay the wigmaker’s bill. This makes an interesting story and many of us may speculate that perhaps the most famous protest would not have occurred if the bill had been paid on time. But on the contrary to the popular myth, the British officer Captain John Goldfinch in fact settled his bill the day earlier.

 

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Massachusetts Gun Laws and Politics

NOTE: THIS VIDEO CONTAINS POTENTIALLY OBJECTIONABLE LANGUAGE AND THEMES, VIEW AT YOUR DISCRETION.

[video=youtube;6rvn4YTxn1Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rvn4YTxn1Y[/video]

 

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Are Gun Laws Constitutional?

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Constitutional scholar Dr. Edwin Vieira sits down with Gary Franchi and answers the question...Are Gun Laws Constitutional?

"In fact, a very interesting example, here in the state of Virginia, is the requirement that people brought firearms to the Sunday church services..."

 

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I have team time once and awhile with a chinese friend of mine on campus. He has a house he rents, and he has an authentic Chinese china set.

 

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75 Reasons?

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reasonable - definition of reasonable by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
rea·son·a·ble (r

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adj.

1. Capable of reasoning; rational: a reasonable person.
2. Governed by or being in accordance with reason or sound thinking: a reasonable solution to the problem.
3. Being within the bounds of common sense: arrive home at a reasonable hour.
4. Not excessive or extreme; fair: reasonable prices.

 

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BATF, Massachusetts, and New York Approved?

The new Smith & Wesson model 180!

 

[wisebeardman]

here is the thing about so called "gun control"

Gun control laws do nothing but keep guns out of the hands of good citizens, Do you think a criminal is going to say hey its illegal to have a gun? if you think yes they would just look at Chicago. one of the highest murder rates in the USA also with "gun control" citizens cant have guns..

Ironic aint it? city with total gun control has the highest murder rate.

 

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The Powders That Be?

Keep your powder dry

Meaning:

Be prepared and save your resources until they are needed.

Origin:

The allusion is to gunpowder which soldiers had to keep dry in order to be ready to fight when required. This advice reputedly originated with Oliver Cromwell during his campaign in Ireland. In Ballads of Ireland, 1856, Edward Hayes wrote:

"There is a well-authenticated anecdote of Cromwell. On a certain occasion, when his troops were about crossing a river to attack the enemy, he concluded an address, couched in the usual fanatic terms in use among them, with these words - 'put your trust in God; but mind to keep your powder dry'."

19th century citations of the phrase invariably give the full version - trust in God and keep your powder dry. This emphasizes that the keep your powder dry was seen only as an additional insurance. This is made clear in a piece from The Times Literary Supplement, 1908:

"In thus keeping his powder dry the bishop acted most wisely, though he himself ascribes the happy result entirely to observance of the other half of Cromwell's maxim."


Take a powder

Pharmacists would make up some prescriptions in the form of a powder and then put the correct dosage into a piece of paper and fold it so that it could be taken when necessary. You'd excuse yourself if it was time to take your medicine by saying, "I'm going to take a powder."

To "take a powder" is another 1920's slang term referring to leaving the scene or place. People would tell another person to "Take a powder", "make tracks", or to "blow" away. This is vernacular that was the youth slang of the time that basically told someone to leave.

To leave a place suddenly, especially in order to avoid an unpleasant situation. "He saw the police coming and took a powder."


Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Romans 13:1
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

John 19:11
Jesus answered, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin."


The powers that be (phrase) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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K.A.O.S.

[video=youtube;Nt1OYUOaosE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt1OYUOaosE[/video]

Roger Waters - Radio K.A.O.S. (FULL ALBUM) 1987 [EXTENDED] - YouTube

KAOS Lyrics

The Powers That Be

The powers that be
They like a tough game
No rules
Some you win, some you lose
Competition's good for you
They're dying to be free
They're the powers that be
They like a bomb proof cadillac
Air conditioned, gold taps,
Back seat gun rack, platinum hub caps
They pick horses for courses
They're the market forces
Nice car Jack
They like order, make-up, lime light power
Game shows, rodeos, star wars, TV
They're the powers that be
If you see them come,
You better run - run
You better run on home

Sisters of mercy better join your brothers
Put a stop to the soap opera right now
They say the toothless get ruthless
You better run on home

You better run - run
You better run on home

The powers that be
They like treats, tricks, carrots and sticks
They like fear and loathing, they like sheep's clothing
And blacked-out vans

Blacked-out vans, contingency plans
They like death or glory, they love a good story
They love a good story

Sisters of mercy better join with your brothers
Put a stop to the soap opera state
They say the toothless get ruthless
Run home before its too late
You better run - run
You better run on home

Billy: Goodnight, Jim.
Jim: Goodnight, Billy.
Uncle David's Great Dane: Woof, woof, woof!


The canyon - daytime. Billy plays with Great Uncle David's Great Dane.
Paraquat Kelly: Bull heads, three red snapper, one pink snapper and your
Pacific coastal trench hosemonster fish.
Cynthia Fox: Ohhh! At Sky David's juke joint of joy reports, forty under the
console giggle stick ling cod, twenty-three purple perches four
sledgehammerhead sharks, and what a surprise, eightyfour crabs, and no red
snappers.
Paraquat Kelly: Hey, and that'll do for the triumphant return of the fish
report with a beat.
Jim: We think of it as mainstreet, but to the rest of the country it's Sunset
Strip. You're listening to KAOS in Los Angeles.