Anti-vaxxers are people too?

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Anti-vaxxers are people, too?

  • Anti-vaxxers are people, but as they are wrong, they should remain silent.

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  • Anti-vaxxers aren't people and will likely die of corona-virus (or monkey pox).

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PennEd

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It protected many people. And the covidinfection was less serious, if the patient was vaccined. Thats fact.
I know that you dont believe that. But this makes me not to be a liar.
From beginning many antivax people claimed that various conspiracy theories are true.
To be scary about the vaccine is one thing. I understand when you then avoid the vaccine. But another thing is to spread conspiracy theorys without any proof. I renember one claim that said after one year 65% of the vaccined people will die.
Eat THIS with your next schnitzel!

 

ZNP

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It protected many people.
Look at post #181 by PennEd, this demonstrates the deceitfulness of this statement by you. Anyone who reads your statement will think "OK, if it protected many people, even if it didn't protect all, hey still better than nothing". Nope, looking at the evidence that PennEd posted in #181 it is clearly not "better than nothing".

So it may in fact, in the final analysis may have protected some, but then we will certainly learn that it harmed more than it protected. That is the evidence that is coming out.

Bottom line:

Unless your risk to Covid is extremely high (a person older than 70 with comorbidities) we can say based on all the data available that the vaccine causes more harm than good.
 

gb9

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It protected many people. And the covidinfection was less serious, if the patient was vaccined. Thats fact.
I know that you dont believe that. But this makes me not to be a liar.
From beginning many antivax people claimed that various conspiracy theories are true.
To be scary about the vaccine is one thing. I understand when you then avoid the vaccine. But another thing is to spread conspiracy theorys without any proof. I renember one claim that said after one year 65% of the vaccined people will die.
there are pages of proof right here in this thread.

but, i suspect that when you say " proof" you mean the government , media, or the medical industry say that the vax is not good.

hint- they are not going to.
 

Nehemiah6

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Unless your risk to Covid is extremely high (a person older than 70 with comorbidities) we can say based on all the data available that the vaccine causes more harm than good.
This is not sound advice even for the elderly. If you wish to recommend a treatment then Ivermectin or the HCQ combo pack are the real remedies, provided they are administered early. But they were literally SABOTAGED and the doctors who wanted to use them were demonized, dismissed, or destroyed. So what does that tell us?
 

ZNP

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This is not sound advice even for the elderly. If you wish to recommend a treatment then Ivermectin or the HCQ combo pack are the real remedies, provided they are administered early. But they were literally SABOTAGED and the doctors who wanted to use them were demonized, dismissed, or destroyed. So what does that tell us?
I don't care. My position has been from the very start that adults have the right to make a decision concerning their own health.

If someone is terrified of Covid and they think that the Vaccine will protect them and they are 70 years old, as far as I am concerned they have the right to make that decision.

Until we have the proof beyond all reasonable doubt that this vaccine is deadly to everyone people have the right to volunteer to be a guinea pig and even if they are killed or severely damaged by the vaccine their sacrifice will help the rest of us to know the truth about the vaccine. You will never have proof that the vaccine is a "kill shot" without these human trials.

My position is that everyone should be given all available information about the vaccine so they can make an informed decision and that the vaccine should not be mandated.

I know many people who have been vaccinated and claim they are fine. We need more data before we can say beyond all reasonable doubt the vaccine is a kill shot.

For example I am still on my school's email lists. They have 400 kids and about 50 full time workers. This is in NY and they all have to be vaccinated. I have yet to see an email about any of them dying or having serious health issues.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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there are pages of proof right here in this thread.

but, i suspect that when you say " proof" you mean the government , media, or the medical industry say that the vax is not good.

hint- they are not going to.
Even when a CEO and one of the Big Pharmakos companies pulls out of the multi billion dollar, no liability, government guaranteed contract many have already had their blood and minds poisoned by the lies. There's no convincing those willingly ignorant.
 

gb9

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Even when a CEO and one of the Big Pharmakos companies pulls out of the multi billion dollar, no liability, government guaranteed contract many have already had their blood and minds poisoned by the lies. There's no convincing those willingly ignorant.
no one can be shown something they refuse to see.
 

Moses_Young

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i think that would be a yes.
Thank you. There seem to be many who still don't think so. I think when I am interviewed for TV, I will begin my speech with "Well, I am an anti-vaxxer, so it should be no surprise to any of you that I was against this vaxx from the very beginning..."
 

gb9

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that would be good. a lot of us who follow independent media knew about the bad news vax early, ,long before it was even available and never even thought about taking it.
 

loveme1

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We can’t deny that people died of a respiratory illness , with or without the jab.

Then there are people that died because of the jab. (People have received payouts)

I state the above on personal experience.

Where there is risk there must remain choice.

Each should consider the matter and use risk verse benefit to self. For it was always a jab to lessen symptoms to self if exposed to the virus.

They did propose a theory that you had it for your fellow man.. yet the ever evolving science seems to not support that.

For many jabbed were as poorly with cold like symptoms as the non jabbed and so on and so forth.

I think it is very important to have compassion. The right to choose for self, respected by us all.

The campaign of fear and divide did conquer.

Yet, love and forgiveness will overcome.

GOD wins in the end.
All that comes to pass is destiny.
For those that say you should do as your told.. submit to authority.. Nope, then that argument would apply to receiving the mark of the beast!!
You should use your intuition and consider the matter.
Come what may, I will not trial these novel jabs.

They hide the Rna in synthetic lipids to evade your immune system… it then hijacks your system to create the spike protein…..that you were told to avoid at all cost.

The chadox1 jab: No one was having my permission to inject me with a chimpanzee virus based jab! No, thank you.

I respect others see benefit, where I see risk.

Refuseniks.. that was a label for those deciding to not trial the new technology jabs.
GOD come quickly, we need you always and forever.
 

ZNP

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For it was always a jab to lessen symptoms to self if exposed to the virus.
No, that is not true. They mandated the vaccine because it was supposed to prevent you from getting sick and prevent you from passing it on to others.

We were told that by all of our leaders. Fauci, Biden, DeBlasio, etc.

People who didn't get the vaccine were selfish and irresponsible and the reason we all still had to fear the pandemic. We were told that as well.

They are changing their story now because none of that was true and therefore it was criminal to mandate the vaccine.
 

ZNP

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The whole "lessen the symptoms" was such a joke. People who pushed the vaccine and were double vaxxed and boosted would get Covid. Obviously it exposed the entire sham so they would say "I'm thankful I had the vaccine and my symptoms were lessened". None of that is scientific, none of that is proven, it is simply a lie on top of a lie on top of a lie.
 

loveme1

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No, that is not true. They mandated the vaccine because it was supposed to prevent you from getting sick and prevent you from passing it on to others.

We were told that by all of our leaders. Fauci, Biden, DeBlasio, etc.

People who didn't get the vaccine were selfish and irresponsible and the reason we all still had to fear the pandemic. We were told that as well.

They are changing their story now because none of that was true and therefore it was criminal to mandate the vaccine.
Obviously we each have ben exposed to different information regarding the jabs.


It was established that it would supposedly lessen symptoms to the recipient, if they were infected… this was after folks were questioning… why they still got sick, despite being jabbed.

Lots of people declared they would get it to protect others that are vulnerable.. fair enough… but it was becoming illogical when they still got symptoms similar to those whom didn’t get jabbed! In some instances worse than.

The whole event was so disjointed and the information was always sketchy and manipulative.

I remember public information signs saying get jabbed to save your loved one’s.

Lots of manipulation occurred and folks have admitted they wish they hadn’t got it but felt pressured.

It hasn’t been easy for anyone.

Nevertheless, we as people should not turn on each other.
 

shittim

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Yes, it was touted as a prevention first, then came lie upon lie, now pretty much all know it lines up with a great deception, CCP knocked the U.S. out without firing a shot.
 

ZNP

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Yes, it was touted as a prevention first, then came lie upon lie, now pretty much all know it lines up with a great deception, CCP knocked the U.S. out without firing a shot.
It was outrageous.

1. When asked why natural immunity for those who had Covid wasn't good enough Fauci responded "we don't know how durable that immunity is" (in other words how long it will last and how effective it is). When I heard that I was outraged, we don't know how durable the vaccine is! They mandated it when they had no data to support that.

2. Then they had the nerve to accuse those of us pointing this out that "we didn't respect the science"! It was in your face, blatant slander, insults, and lies.

3. Then when it all began to fall apart and it was obvious the masks didn't work (even though we were saying that from day 1), when the shutdown of the school was determined to have caused more harm than good (another thing we were saying from the beginning, these decisions needed to be based on a cost/benefit analysis) then they started to say "well it was all confusing and no one knew what to do". What? We deal with flu every year, we are well aware of what to do with a virus, we knew from day 1 the virus would not be stopped by a cloth mask. What confusion, the fact that the main stream media was spreading disinformation, censoring those who cried foul, and then when it became obvious it was "hey let's not blame anyone".

If you don't reflect on the errors made you will simply repeat them.

What have I learned?

1. Fire Fauci and all who were associated with him and prosecute him for his involvement in mass murder.

2. Respect the law. Do not ignore the Nuremberg codes. Educate people on the dangers of vaccines and how they need to have at least 20 years of data before you can mandate them. Make the changing of definitions a crime. They redefined vaccine as an intentional way to sell them. Anyone who was involved in the censorship and spreading of misinformation needs to be fired and prosecuted.

This was a concerted effort at mass murder. It may be that 80% of those who went along with this effort were simply useful idiots. Fine. But there were well educated scientists, politicians, doctors, lawyers, and media that intentionally went along with this and did not do their job. They need to be fired and held accountable.
 

Nehemiah6

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1. Fire Fauci and all who were associated with him and prosecute him for his involvement in mass murder.
Mass murderers are generally executed. But Fauci will be celebrated for his criminality.