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Nehemiah6

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I read various translations not just New World.
Which means you are OK with the New World Translation, which makes Jesus "a god" (John 1:1). There are probably hundreds of other errors in this cultic translation, so you have one of two options: (1) get to know why the JWs are regarded as a cult, or (2) allow yourself to be swayed by corrupted bibles and blind leaders of the blind.

BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS
Is Jesus Almighty God?

The Bible’s answer
Jesus’ opposers accused him of making himself equal to God. (John 5:18; 10:30-33) However, Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28.

Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? —Philippians 2:9.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-jesus-almighty/
 
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I would really like to agree with this yet I know of no orthodox believer who would consult a NWT for understanding of a text of Scripture.
In 1993 Gordon Fee in his book, How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth, refers to the New World translation as being an "extremely literal translation" filled with "heretical doctrines".[80]

In 1953, former American Bible Society board member Bruce M. Metzger concluded that "on the whole, one gains a tolerably good impression of the scholarly equipment of the translators,"[26][89] but identified instances where the translation has been written to support doctrine, with "several quite erroneous renderings of the Greek."[90] Metzger said there were a number of "indefensible" characteristics of the translation, including its use of "Jehovah" in the New Testament.

F. E. Mayer wrote: "It is a version that lends support to denial of doctrines which the Christian churches consider basic, such as the co-equality of Jesus Christ with the Father, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, and the survival of the human person after physical death. It teaches the annihilation of the wicked, the non-existence of hell, and the purely animal nature of man's soul."[92][93]

In his review in Andover Newton Quarterly Robert M. McCoy reported in 1963, "The translation of the New Testament is evidence of the presence in the movement of scholars qualified to deal intelligently with the many problems of Biblical translation. One could question why the translators have not stayed closer to the original meaning, as do most translators. ... In not a few instances the New World Translation contains passages which must be considered as 'theological translations.' This fact is particularly evident in those passages which express or imply the deity of Jesus Christ."[94][95]

In 1963, theologian Anthony A. Hoekema wrote: "Their New World Translation of the Bible is by no means an objective rendering of the sacred text into modern English, but is a biased translation in which many of the peculiar teachings of the Watchtower Society are smuggled into the text of the Bible itself."[96]

Julius R. Mantey, co-author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament and A Hellenistic Greek Reader, said about the New Testament of the NWT that it's "a distortion not a translation."[97]

In 1982, Robert H. Countess in his critical analysis The Jehovah's Witness' New Testament wrote that the NWT "must be viewed as a radically biased piece of work."[98]

Theologian William Barclay concluded that "the deliberate distortion of truth by this sect is seen in the New Testament translation. ... It is abundantly clear that a sect which can translate the New Testament like that is intellectually dishonest."[99]

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Kim82

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#46
BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS
Is Jesus Almighty God?
Amen. Well I don't know what the Jehovah's Witness teach on the matter but my understanding is that Jesus is the son of God, who died on the cross for our sins, and all who believe in Him will have eternal life.

God created the whole world and everything in it. All who come to God must go through His son, Jesus.

The Holy Spirit lives in all true children of God, and the Holy Spirit is our comforter and teacher.

That's basically what I know.
That's not a worthy translation it was developed by a cult.
Well as I said I read various translations. The KJV is the main one for me, but if I read a particular scripture and the wording is difficult, I'll go to Biblehub or some other site and look up some other translation and compare it to what is in the KJV.

So I don't think I'm going astray because I am not looking for something different from what's in the KJV, I just want clarification on what the KJV is saying.

I would really like to agree with this yet I know of no orthodox believer who would consult a NWT for understanding of a text of Scripture.
I've also "consulted" with other translation not just that one.
 
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Amen. Well I don't know what the Jehovah's Witness teach on the matter but my understanding is that Jesus is the son of God, who died on the cross for our sins, and all who believe in Him will have eternal life.

God created the whole world and everything in it. All who come to God must go through His son, Jesus.
If you know that God created all things and the scripture says that Jesus created all things, it is then ok to say that Jesus is God.

Col 1: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Also in John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
 

Kim82

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If you know that God created all things
Yes, i know that God created all things. Aside from that, I don't know anything else. Sorry.
 

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I would like to share just a tiny tidbit in this post. There are absolutely no errors in the KJB 1611. There is and has been for a very long time now, an Occult agenda against the KJB to dumb people down and to deceive them away from the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God and is part of the Armour of God!

The 1611 and 1909 are both good to use. I tend to use the 1909 most often simply because a lot of people have been dumbed down. There is a solution, all anyone has to do is seek the Lord in faith for the eyesalve of understanding, and the Lord will bless whosoever that does so.

The King James Bible has sustained Churches, Kings, Families, and individuals around the world for over 400 years. The King James Bible was around long before there was ever a nation that we know today as The United States of America. The King James Bible was given by God, Whom is without beginning or end.

P.S. I have been around the block with Baal bending false teachers contending against the King James Bible, as well as having a front row seat to witnessing the Devil worshiping Freemasons use the N.I.V. and Latin Vulgate to blasphemously teach that "Jesus is Lucifer", of which the tactics will be the same when they will eventually confirm the Antichrist. The only loser is the person who's faith is not in God, but in man that denies the infallibility and inerrancy of The Lord God Almighty's written words. I'm just putting this out here for the sake of encouraging those that have eyes to see and ears to hear with a call for repentance to the fence sitting doubters.

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Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
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Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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2Tim 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.


2Tim 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

2Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
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I would like to share just a tiny tidbit in this post. There are absolutely no errors in the KJB 1611. There is and has been for a very long time now, an Occult agenda against the KJB to dumb people down and to deceive them away from the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God and is part of the Armour of God!

The 1611 and 1909 are both good to use. I tend to use the 1909 most often simply because a lot of people have been dumbed down. There is a solution, all anyone has to do is seek the Lord in faith for the eyesalve of understanding, and the Lord will bless whosoever that does so.

The King James Bible has sustained Churches, Kings, Families, and individuals around the world for over 400 years. The King James Bible was around long before there was ever a nation that we know today as The United States of America. The King James Bible was given by God, Whom is without beginning or end.

P.S. I have been around the block with Baal bending false teachers contending against the King James Bible, as well as having a front row seat to witnessing the Devil worshiping Freemasons use the N.I.V. and Latin Vulgate to blasphemously teach that "Jesus is Lucifer", of which the tactics will be the same when they will eventually confirm the Antichrist. The only loser is the person who's faith is not in God, but in man that denies the infallibility and inerrancy of The Lord God Almighty's written words. I'm just putting this out here for the sake of encouraging those that have eyes to see and ears to hear with a call for repentance to the fence sitting doubters.

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Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
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Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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2Tim 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.


2Tim 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

2Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
OK Scholar. I am messing with you, all in good fun. Riddle me this... Why does the KJV use the word Candlestick in Rev 1 when Candlesticks had not yet been invented at that time John saw this vision? I will wait for your scholarly answer. :D
 

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Which means you are OK with the New World Translation, which makes Jesus "a god" (John 1:1). There are probably hundreds of other errors in this cultic translation, so you have one of two options: (1) get to know why the JWs are regarded as a cult, or (2) allow yourself to be swayed by corrupted bibles and blind leaders of the blind.

BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS
Is Jesus Almighty God?

The Bible’s answer
Jesus’ opposers accused him of making himself equal to God. (John 5:18; 10:30-33) However, Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28.

Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? —Philippians 2:9.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-jesus-almighty/
Jesus did not deny the charge of making Himself equal with God and He could not lie, they all knew what Son of God meant . He was God the flesh Son .. All He had to do was deny Himself and say ''right fellows, calm down, I'm not God and I am not His Son'' .. God had to come in the flesh and He did as God the Son ..
 

J-T

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OK Scholar. I am messing with you, all in good fun. Riddle me this... Why does the KJV use the word Candlestick in Rev 1 when Candlesticks had not yet been invented at that time John saw this vision? I will wait for your scholarly answer. :D
With respect, you are asking a trivial question in the effort to cast doubt upon what I have shared, while we are in the very midst of aftermath of the great falling away from the faith, with Churches world-wide being forced to close their doors permanently. Are you are that it has been recently reported that thousands of Pastors have quit and closed the doors of their Churches in The United States, all of this right on the heels of the Vatican setting up the image of the idol of Molech and the Church of Satan getting 501c3 Tax status from the I.R.S.? What do you think it is that led to the great falling away? Are you even aware that it has happened? Are you aware that there has been a war going on for a long time to remove crosses, the Ten Commandments, and other related things to Christianity from Public Institutions, as well as Public Schools? Do you know when God, the Bible, and Prayer were kicked out of Public Schools, to only be replaced with Psychology, Hypnosis, Drag Queen Story Hour, Yoga, and even now, there is a callenge to teach Islam in Public Schools? Oh, and what about the theory of evolution a.k.a. Darwinism being taught to children, teaching them that they weren't created, but came from some germ millions of years ago, and how their ancestors were apes, etc? (Charles Darwin was an Illuminati/Freemason Devil worshiper by the way). Do you know that history has been re-written to suit Baal bending agendas? Do you think that it's been just a coincidence that Marxism has been taught in Public Schools via Common Core since 1993, while children world-wide have been taught to be Global Citizens while Socialists have gained strong footholds in every Government around the world? Moreover, do you think it's normal that 54% of Millenials have abandoned the Christian faith altogether to convert to witchcraft, making Wicca the newest fastest growing religion? What do you think about the I.R.S. recently granting the Church of Satan 501c3 Tax status equal to Christian Churches? What do you think about them all of a sudden now having a say before Congress? Do you think that it's normal for an openly practicing homosexual, and Socialists to run for President of The United States of America? Do you think that it's just a coincidence that all of the Modern Translations of the Bible are patterned after the Watchtower false prophet of Jehovah's Witnesses New World Translation? The reason why the Modern Translations are called Gnostic Perversions is simply because they are. Tell you what, I put some info on the other thread where I first became acquainted with you, and if you follow the instructions, I will introduce you to a 33 degree Freemason and others, that blasphemously teach that Jesus is Lucifer, using the N.I.V. and the Latin Vulgate, as well as a Gnostic or two, and if you really have the stomach for it, I will also introduce you to a higher ranking Illuminati member, and if the person is willing to allow for you to sit in on a ritual, then you might can grasp that when it is announced on Mainstream News Media that the witches are performing a ritual, that you can know for a certainty, without any doubt that they are busy summoning the Devil. These are of the fold, known as the Synagogue of Satan, that are responsible for publishing the Modern Translations.
 

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There is a solution, all anyone has to do is seek the Lord in faith for the eyesalve of understanding, and the Lord will bless whosoever that does so.
Please pray for me that I will receive this eyesalve, and that I will receive deliverance from being too dumb to understand the KJV on it's own.
 

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#56
Please pray for me that I will receive this eyesalve, and that I will receive deliverance from being too dumb to understand the KJV on it's own.
Kim, I'm praying with you and for you. When I first picked up the Bible to read it, it all looked Greek to me! I didn't understand any of it. But I tell you, that what I suggested is from personal experience, and Jesus said that faith, the size of a grain of a mustard seed can move a mountain, I asked The Lord for just that, faith the size of a grain of a mustard seed, and since then that faith has grown. I prayed, and still pray today over every single word, asking God for knowledge, understanding, wisdom, and knowledge. I read where Jesus opened the understanding of the scriptures to His disciples, so I asked Him, in faith, to do the same for me. Let God teach you! You won't go wrong when you let God teach you! And He will teach you all things, and as you continue to patiently read each book of the Bible in full context, not relying upon your own understanding, but instead solely upon God, you will learn and know without any doubt when and where He has blessed you with understanding.

P.S. You can download the best Bible software for free at www.e-sword.net
 

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Please pray for me that I will receive this eyesalve, and that I will receive deliverance from being too dumb to understand the KJV on it's own.
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Kim, we appreciate your sense of humor!!!
 

oldethennew

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hub and I have been 'students' of a myriad of interpretations over many years, and now, 'here we are'!!!
our advice, is just, IF you truly LOVE/desire to serve your Holy Saviour, then follow Him in what ever way
He directs, we promise that you won't be disappointed - maybe astounded, but NEVER disappointed!...
:):)
 

Lanolin

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hmm how can we tell which KJV is the 1611 version? All my KJVs read the same, have the same scripture but printed by different publishers.

one of mine says copyright 1984, 1977 by Thomas Nelson Inc.
another is 1958 ruby text by collins.
one is journal the word version printed 2016 by thomas nelson, and it says under the logo since 1798
the other doesnt have a date on it but printed by Oxford

none of them ever mention 1611 on the verso so am wondering how you can tell.
 

Lanolin

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they DID have candlesticks when John had his vision, he was talking about the menorah or lampstand, its just in english the word is translated as seven golden candlestick.

They had the menorah way back in the OT. See exodus 26:31 in KJV its translated as candlestick because in there is no word menorah in english.