COVID 19 fake news

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Gideon300

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Lies, damned lies and statistics.......... A lot of the discussion about COVID-19 seems to be based on hearsay and personal prejudice rather than facts from people who actually know stuff. One simple example. Some people jump on the statistic that vaccinated people can get COVID. Let's examine this. One country that reported infections among the vaccinated is Israel A substantial proportion of the population is vaccinated. Their fully vaccinated rate is 60%, compared with the world's average of 15%.

Statistically, it means that there is a much higher chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID, simply because there are more of them. If the population was 100% vaccinated then obviously 100% of the victims had the vaccine. It is easy to distort this statistic by saying that the vaccine is useless because every victim was already vaccinated. And it misrepresents the true situation.

No one is claiming that the vaccine is 100% effective. What they are claiming is that vaccination reduces both the risk of being infected and the severity of the illness if someone gets infected anyway.

I'm old enough to remember when terrible diseases ravaged societies and wiped out families. When was the last time you heard of an epidemic of diptheria or smallpox or polio? People still die of tetanus when a vaccine is available. No one need die of rabies. But only if they will be vaccinated.
 

dave_in_KWC

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Gideon, I am convinced that too many so-called Christians believe all sorts of crap they see or read on Social Media. It's a very dangerous thing! So much fear-mongering!
 

ZNP

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No one is claiming that the vaccine is 100% effective. What they are claiming is that vaccination reduces both the risk of being infected and the severity of the illness if someone gets infected anyway.
This is the big problem with "survival of the fittest". One person infected with Covid can spew out hundreds of millions of virus. If only 0.1% of those can get past the vaccine then those will be favored, it is still hundreds of thousands. Once a vaccinated person is infected they in turn will spew out hundreds of millions of virus that have gotten past the vaccine. If the vaccine is not 100% effective all you are doing is favoring the virus that gets past the protection. We already have several variants that do that and with 2 billion vaccinated people you have a giant pool of people for new variants to develop and spread.

I'm old enough to remember when terrible diseases ravaged societies and wiped out families. When was the last time you heard of an epidemic of diptheria or smallpox or polio? People still die of tetanus when a vaccine is available. No one need die of rabies. But only if they will be vaccinated.
And the way in which those vaccines were used is an effective approach. People who are younger than 30 and are healthy (not obese, don't have cancer, don't have asthma, etc) have a miniscule chance of dying from this disease. It makes no sense to vaccinate them, they will survive it if they contract it and they will develop natural immunity. We have three effective drugs to treat the disease. We already know it is anywhere from 80% of these that will not even show symptoms, and another 15% who will only have mild symptoms.

The reason we were able to stamp out the diseases you talked about is because we could go into a town with an outbreak and vaccinate everyone at risk quickly. It will take us a year to vaccinate 1/3 of the world's population and by that time there will be 4 or 5 new variants. Not only so Pfizer and Moderna have both come out and say you need a booster shot after six months. So even if you were vaccinated six months ago and it did help protect you then, that protection has worn off now.

I am old enough to remember when Americans could do the math and realize when the numbers just don't work out.

A vaccine is not a "magic bullet" instead it is one tool in the tool chest. Every single pandemic in human history had died out due to natural immunity from people who caught and recovered from the sickness.
 

ZNP

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“There are a great many people in the country today, who through no fault of their own, are sane.” – Monty Python
 

Aidan1

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This is the big problem with "survival of the fittest". One person infected with Covid can spew out hundreds of millions of virus. If only 0.1% of those can get past the vaccine then those will be favored, it is still hundreds of thousands. Once a vaccinated person is infected they in turn will spew out hundreds of millions of virus that have gotten past the vaccine. If the vaccine is not 100% effective all you are doing is favoring the virus that gets past the protection. We already have several variants that do that and with 2 billion vaccinated people you have a giant pool of people for new variants to develop and spread.


And the way in which those vaccines were used is an effective approach. People who are younger than 30 and are healthy (not obese, don't have cancer, don't have asthma, etc) have a miniscule chance of dying from this disease. It makes no sense to vaccinate them, they will survive it if they contract it and they will develop natural immunity. We have three effective drugs to treat the disease. We already know it is anywhere from 80% of these that will not even show symptoms, and another 15% who will only have mild symptoms.

The reason we were able to stamp out the diseases you talked about is because we could go into a town with an outbreak and vaccinate everyone at risk quickly. It will take us a year to vaccinate 1/3 of the world's population and by that time there will be 4 or 5 new variants. Not only so Pfizer and Moderna have both come out and say you need a booster shot after six months. So even if you were vaccinated six months ago and it did help protect you then, that protection has worn off now.

I am old enough to remember when Americans could do the math and realize when the numbers just don't work out.

A vaccine is not a "magic bullet" instead it is one tool in the tool chest. Every single pandemic in human history had died out due to natural immunity from people who caught and recovered from the sickness.
Younger people will survive, yes. But the Also spread the virus, without knowing it to their parents, grandparents. Or are they old enough?
And you dont know if their will not come other variants, like D, which are hitting also younger people.

So as goverment then it is better to say: lets wait who will survive. Then to search solutions to fight a desease?

100 years ago around 25 000 000 people died because of influenca. They had no possibilities to create a vaccine.
We have today the possibilities, should we then avoid it to create vaccines?
 

ZNP

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Younger people will survive, yes. But the Also spread the virus, without knowing it to their parents, grandparents. Or are they old enough?
And you dont know if their will not come other variants, like D, which are hitting also younger people.

So as goverment then it is better to say: lets wait who will survive. Then to search solutions to fight a desease?

100 years ago around 25 000 000 people died because of influenca. They had no possibilities to create a vaccine.
We have today the possibilities, should we then avoid it to create vaccines?
The vaccine should be one tool in the toolkit. We have 3 effective therapeutics. If you are healthy, have no co-morbities, practice social distancing and take care of your health your risk of dying from Covid is miniscule.

The vaccine does not protect you from some of the newer variants, that has been well established, and the reason we have never tried to create a vaccine for corona viruses is because they mutate so frequently it is pointless.

Everyone should do a risk reward analysis to decide if they want the vaccine. To do that you have to have all the facts and the government hiding the facts from us is counterproductive.
 

cv5

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Mt. Vernon School Board Meeting - Dr. Dan Stock MD DESTROYS THE CDC AND NIH COVID HOAXING....!!!

The CDC and NIH are nothing more than Fascist puppet agents to the Biden regime and DC power players. The CDC is a profit partner to vaccine makers and own 57 patents.

 

Moses_Young

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Lies, damned lies and statistics.......... A lot of the discussion about COVID-19 seems to be based on hearsay and personal prejudice rather than facts from people who actually know stuff. One simple example. Some people jump on the statistic that vaccinated people can get COVID. Let's examine this. One country that reported infections among the vaccinated is Israel A substantial proportion of the population is vaccinated. Their fully vaccinated rate is 60%, compared with the world's average of 15%.
If the vax doesn't prevent covid, what is the point? It's a dangerous gene therapy that has killed more people in 6 months than all vaccines combined for the past 20 years or so. If this so-called treatment does not have a nearly perfect score, it's more dangerous than the disease. Speaking of cures, why have governments banned or made almost impossible to obtain hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin? These medicines have been in use for decades, and certainly are much safer than the vaccines (or would have been banned long before "covid").

Statistically, it means that there is a much higher chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID, simply because there are more of them. If the population was 100% vaccinated then obviously 100% of the victims had the vaccine. It is easy to distort this statistic by saying that the vaccine is useless because every victim was already vaccinated. And it misrepresents the true situation.
Bleh. Precautionary principle. Good medicine means we don't have to prove your pupported treatment is dangerous to stop it. It means you have to prove it's safe before you deliver it. Bad medicine is what is being practiced. If it was just bad medicine, it could be resolved in the courts when vax-injured individuals sue Pfizer and Moderna and Astrozenica into oblivion. However, as the vax-companies and government know it is dangerous, they have granted legal immunity to these companies. So we move from bad medicine to biological warfare and treason.

No one is claiming that the vaccine is 100% effective. What they are claiming is that vaccination reduces both the risk of being infected and the severity of the illness if someone gets infected anyway.
It's easy to reduce the apparent symptoms of a disease. Certain drugs do it, and instead of people getting sick (and probably getting better), they appear healthier for longer but then suddenly drop dead. The vaxes seem to be having a similar effect. Of the hospitalised for the "delta" variant in UK, double-vaxxers at ~6 times more likely to die than the unvaxxed.

I'm old enough to remember when terrible diseases ravaged societies and wiped out families. When was the last time you heard of an epidemic of diptheria or smallpox or polio? People still die of tetanus when a vaccine is available. No one need die of rabies. But only if they will be vaccinated.
Oh, enough of the emotional blackmail. Even established vaccines are a scam. Diptheria and smallpox were almost eradicated before vaccines even came on the scene. And polio is/was caused by pesticides. Vaccines have done nothing but evil in the history of mankind.
 

ZNP

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If the vax doesn't prevent covid, what is the point?
What is the point? What is the point! What if the vax does other things that are extremely important but they just don't want to tell us because if they did then no one would take the vax? I think the safest assumption is that it does something, otherwise why expend so much effort and capital to get everyone to take it.
 

Moses_Young

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What is the point? What is the point! What if the vax does other things that are extremely important but they just don't want to tell us because if they did then no one would take the vax? I think the safest assumption is that it does something, otherwise why expend so much effort and capital to get everyone to take it.
Lol. True. I mean, what is the point for we recipients. Even from a medical perspective, it's highly suspect (for us). From a spiritual perspective, it's downright scary (for us).

From the perspective of Bill Gates and his co-conspirators, I can think of a number of reasons for the vax, but none of them beneficial (to us).
 

Aidan1

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If the vax doesn't prevent covid, what is the point? It's a dangerous gene therapy that has killed more people in 6 months than all vaccines combined for the past 20 years or so. If this so-called treatment does not have a nearly perfect score, it's more dangerous than the disease. Speaking of cures, why have governments banned or made almost impossible to obtain hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin? These medicines have been in use for decades, and certainly are much safer than the vaccines (or would have been banned long before "covid").

Bleh. Precautionary principle. Good medicine means we don't have to prove your pupported treatment is dangerous to stop it. It means you have to prove it's safe before you deliver it. Bad medicine is what is being practiced. If it was just bad medicine, it could be resolved in the courts when vax-injured individuals sue Pfizer and Moderna and Astrozenica into oblivion. However, as the vax-companies and government know it is dangerous, they have granted legal immunity to these companies. So we move from bad medicine to biological warfare and treason.

It's easy to reduce the apparent symptoms of a disease. Certain drugs do it, and instead of people getting sick (and probably getting better), they appear healthier for longer but then suddenly drop dead. The vaxes seem to be having a similar effect. Of the hospitalised for the "delta" variant in UK, double-vaxxers at ~6 times more likely to die than the unvaxxed.

Oh, enough of the emotional blackmail. Even established vaccines are a scam. Diptheria and smallpox were almost eradicated before vaccines even came on the scene. And polio is/was caused by pesticides. Vaccines have done nothing but evil in the history of mankind.
Sorry to say, your post shows that you have no idea about deseases and vaccines.
Its more wise then to be calm, then to spread such content.
 

Moses_Young

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Sorry to say, your post shows that you have no idea about deseases and vaccines.
Its more wise then to be calm, then to spread such content.
This post shows that you have no idea about people who have no idea about diseases and vaccines. Which is ironic, as you are one.
 

Aidan1

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This post shows that you have no idea about people who have no idea about diseases and vaccines. Which is ironic, as you are one.
I see it because of your reaction.
 

Magenta

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What is the point? What is the point! What if the vax does other things that are extremely important but they just don't want to tell us because if they did then no one would take the vax? I think the safest assumption is that it does something, otherwise why expend so much effort and capital to get everyone to take it.
The point is, and the data (you know what data is right? Facts???) shows that vaxed people who contract covid are far less prone to get really sick with the virus. In other words, it is the unvaxed who will suffer more with the disease and possibly end up fighting for their life. I realize anti-vaxers do not like these facts.
 

Moses_Young

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The point is, and the data (you know what data is right? Facts???) shows that vaxed people who contract covid are far less prone to get really sick with the virus. In other words, it is the unvaxed who will suffer more with the disease and possibly end up fighting for their life. I realize anti-vaxers do not like these facts.
It's unhelpful to confuse propaganda with fact. Actual science (which I know pro-vaxxers don't like to consider) shows that the vaxxed (i.e. double-jabbed) are at a greater risk of death from covid than the unvaxxed, by about 600%. Remember, it's easy to mask symptoms of any disease with a suite of drugs. Severity of symptoms is almost meaningless, if suitable medicines are available to allow recovery (such as hydroxychloroquine and ivectermin). It is the long term effects (such as death, blindness, disability) that should be considered.

Note that the above only considers death from covid - it does not consider the risk of the vax itself, nor the serious side effects, nor other diseases which will be contracted (e.g. cancer?) that are yet widely unknown due to no public long term studies on the vaxxed. Neither does this consider that the vax is fulfilling many of the biblical prophecies of the Mark of the Beast, nor does it consider that even the principle of allowing governments the right to mandate medicine "for the greater good" (especially with no liability for either the government or the vax company), will not end at vaccines, and will be weaponised against all enemies of the State - real and imagined.
 

Gideon300

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This is the big problem with "survival of the fittest". One person infected with Covid can spew out hundreds of millions of virus. If only 0.1% of those can get past the vaccine then those will be favored, it is still hundreds of thousands. Once a vaccinated person is infected they in turn will spew out hundreds of millions of virus that have gotten past the vaccine. If the vaccine is not 100% effective all you are doing is favoring the virus that gets past the protection. We already have several variants that do that and with 2 billion vaccinated people you have a giant pool of people for new variants to develop and spread.


And the way in which those vaccines were used is an effective approach. People who are younger than 30 and are healthy (not obese, don't have cancer, don't have asthma, etc) have a miniscule chance of dying from this disease. It makes no sense to vaccinate them, they will survive it if they contract it and they will develop natural immunity. We have three effective drugs to treat the disease. We already know it is anywhere from 80% of these that will not even show symptoms, and another 15% who will only have mild symptoms.

The reason we were able to stamp out the diseases you talked about is because we could go into a town with an outbreak and vaccinate everyone at risk quickly. It will take us a year to vaccinate 1/3 of the world's population and by that time there will be 4 or 5 new variants. Not only so Pfizer and Moderna have both come out and say you need a booster shot after six months. So even if you were vaccinated six months ago and it did help protect you then, that protection has worn off now.

I am old enough to remember when Americans could do the math and realize when the numbers just don't work out.

A vaccine is not a "magic bullet" instead it is one tool in the tool chest. Every single pandemic in human history had died out due to natural immunity from people who caught and recovered from the sickness.
Sure and how many unnecessary deaths occurred before that time? Spanish flu, for example. Around 500 million cases - 1/3 of the world population at the time. Around 50 million dead. Are you ok with that? If you are, you need to get a heart.
 

Moses_Young

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Sure and how many unnecessary deaths occurred before that time? Spanish flu, for example. Around 500 million cases - 1/3 of the world population at the time. Around 50 million dead. Are you ok with that? If you are, you need to get a heart.
The "Spanish flu" wasn't a flu, and it wasn't Spanish, but it was caused by vaccines. What are we doing 100 years later? Giving more vaccines, although they're gene modification this time, rather than the traditional vax. Those who are too stupid to learn from history are condemned to repeat it, so it would seem.

Compared to what the covid-vaxes are going to be, I think the "Spanish flu" vaxes were a walk in the park. So do your bit. Save some lives. Don't get the deadly, gene-modification, spike-protein generating covid-vax. 'Cause if you do, your death and the deaths of the ones you infect will probably be written off as deaths due to a variant of covid-19, and these will be blamed on the anti-vaxxers for causing the covid-19 to mutate. Lol.
 

ZNP

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Sure and how many unnecessary deaths occurred before that time? Spanish flu, for example. Around 500 million cases - 1/3 of the world population at the time. Around 50 million dead. Are you ok with that? If you are, you need to get a heart.
What I am OK with which obviously went straight over your head is counting people who have recovered from Covid as having natural immunity and not needing the vaccine. That, I am perfectly fine with.

I am also OK with vaccines that have gone through and passed all the necessary trials, it is supposed to take 12 years which is why they are not considered the way to solve a pandemic. Social distancing, staying home if you have symptoms, not being allowed into a business if you have a temperature, those things work. This is why Taiwan went through the pandemic almost completely free of any outbreak.

I am fine with looking at countries like Taiwan to learn what works. I am fine with looking at the data. I am fine with holding our officials accountable for the things they do and say.
 

Moses_Young

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I like this meme, because in the world of covid-19-vax fake-news, it speaks more than an entire article of truth.

Clown_bill.jpg
 

Nehemiah6

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No one is claiming that the vaccine is 100% effective. What they are claiming is that vaccination reduces both the risk of being infected and the severity of the illness if someone gets infected anyway.
NOW THIS IS COVID 19 FAKE NEWS WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN BURIED LONG AGO.

1. It is ironical that the ones who were "vaccinated" were more readily infected than those who were not. Why? Because these are not vaccines, but injections which actually destroy the immune system!
The Evidence Is In: The COVID Vaccine Is A Failure And Dangerous
https://principia-scientific.com/the-evidence-is-in-the-covid-vaccine-is-a-failure-and-dangerous/

2. The severity of coronavirus is only slightly more than influenza. But early treatment with HCQ, the HCQ combo pack, and ivermectin can destroy the virus. Yet these drugs were sabotaged by the medical establishment in order to push vaccinations to the limit. But the deaths are severe adverse effects from the vaccines are far more dangerous than flu or flu-like symptoms.
Heart Inflammation After COVID Vaxxes More Common Than CDC Claims
https://principia-scientific.com/heart-inflammation-after-covid-vaxxes-more-common-than-cdc-claims/

Which means that your attempt to make liars out of those who are warning against these bogus vaccines is itself the greatest fake news that should be rejected and ignored by all.