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As I read some of these posts, I can see, especially in myself, that we (Christians) are just like those who Paul said mind earthly things. He also said their end would be destruction. :(
Hi Troubled, when I read your comment about minding earthly things, I realized I wasn't sure what that meant. I looked it up on Google and came across this website which seems to indicate it means to put the focus on attaining our own righteousness through religiosity instead of Christ's Righteousness through His Work on the Cross. Do you think that's what this thread is doing; or might it be gearing towards discernment of the times in which we live?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/forwha...criptures.org/2017/11/29/mind-earthly-things/

Thanks!
 

Troubled65

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Hi Troubled, when I read your comment about minding earthly things, I realized I wasn't sure what that meant. I looked it up on Google and came across this website which seems to indicate it means to put the focus on attaining our own righteousness through religiosity instead of Christ's Righteousness through His Work on the Cross. Do you think that's what this thread is doing; or might it be gearing towards discernment of the times in which we live?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/forwha...criptures.org/2017/11/29/mind-earthly-things/

Thanks!
That is certainly one of the ways to have believed in vain, but considering the passage in Hebrews that says but if we are mindful of the country from which Christ saved us out of, we might have opportunity to return. Meaning our focus is earthly, and not heavenly.
 
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That is certainly one of the ways to have believed in vain, but considering the passage in Hebrews that says but if we are mindful of the country from which Christ saved us out of, we might have opportunity to return. Meaning our focus is earthly, and not heavenly.
No doubt our focus should always be on the eternal:
2 Corinthians 4:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

However, we are also called to be in the world and not of it. I believe we have a responsibility to be aware of what's going on around us so we can discern our present day. Jesus says to watch and pray. I also believe discussing these situations is crucial to this end, as long as it is to and for God's Glory. Any other purpose will most assuredly lead to a destructive end.

Thanks, Troubled, for talking about this with me. :)
 

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Trumpty Dumbty wanted a wall,

Mexico will pay for it all,

But when it came time,

To put out the money,

Americans paid 18 billion dollars,

Isn't that funny?

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Trump orders tariffs, destroys markets, raises prices on everything.

Trumps wants 12 billion dollars to patch up his (personal decision) tariff mistakes, just to start with, costing taxpayers and adding to the already increased republican national debt.

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Now Trump says that American taxpayers must pay 25 billion for his unnecessary wall. Costing taxpayers more and further adding to the increased republican national debt. (I thought that the republicans would move to balance the budget didn't you? That was the promise. Instead they added 100 billion dollars to the National debt, giving international banks, trusts, and corporations huge tax breaks while cutting support for the poor and elderly.)

Oh wait, he promised that Mexico would pay. So much for promises made by a habitual liar!

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Does that mean that we can't send Trump to Canada? For permanent resitidence?

I mean when he's done helping everyone here, I'm sure that he could help Canada too.
It is obvious to the casual observer that you are an ignorant windbag spouting gibberish nonsense about everything!! Your progressive bias shows through your posts. Your attacks are not Christian since you are attacking a fellow Christian with several untruths that are part of the progressive political attacks on Trump. Most but not all progressives are atheists and proud of it. So be very careful about using their words on this Christian site.
 

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$18,000,000,000.

Feed the poor, help the sick, teach the young,

There are more important ways to spend that money.

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You think that Mexico is our enemy? Ha ha ha ha.

If there is war, Mexico will be helping the US, and the US would be sending supplies of food, arms, and medicine, in huge amounts.

Why don't we invite them to join the US? And Central America? Etc?

That would end the immigration problem.
You seem to ignore the fact that this country is under attack from Muslim jihadists and that is a major need for the Wall. Remember the Twin Towers where over 3,000 people died and many more are dying because of breathing the dust. Also the Mexican border is where drugs are smuggled in. Also despite Mexico's objections they created a wall on their southern border. How much are people's lives worth??
 

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You seem to ignore the fact that this country is under attack from Muslim jihadists and that is a major need for the Wall.
I think that most of the jihadists are in the middle east, shall we build the wall in Iran or Iraq?

The Mexican families are not our enemy. They are our friends and brothers.

There is NO NEED for a wall. Upgraded enforcement and observation can do the job without a wall.

For 25 billion, we could help the Mexican/Central American economies instead.

(Besides, someday you may want to escape from the hand of Trump and his cult.)

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Remember the Twin Towers where over 3,000 people died and many more are dying because of breathing the dust.
Was that done by Mexicans?


Also the Mexican border is where drugs are smuggled in.
The drug smuggling would end and the gangs would lose their income if drugs were legalized.


Also despite Mexico's objections they created a wall on their southern border. How much are people's lives worth??
The whole situation was caused by persons who want to pass laws to force their version of morality on the population.

Just like prohibition, all the gangster income was ended when alcohol was legalized.
 

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I think that most of the jihadists are in the middle east, shall we build the wall in Iran or Iraq?

The Mexican families are not our enemy. They are our friends and brothers.

There is NO NEED for a wall. Upgraded enforcement and observation can do the job without a wall.

For 25 billion, we could help the Mexican/Central American economies instead.

(Besides, someday you may want to escape from the hand of Trump and his cult.)

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Was that done by Mexicans?




The drug smuggling would end and the gangs would lose their income if drugs were legalized.




The whole situation was caused by persons who want to pass laws to force their version of morality on the population.

Just like prohibition, all the gangster income was ended when alcohol was legalized.
Obviously you are keeping yourself ignorant about the issue. The Muslim jihadists threatened to destroy us. They have committed several attacks in this country. They did a local attack on the Twin Towers in the parking garage before taking planes and flying the planes into them. Other smaller times have happened as well.
 

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I think that most of the jihadists are in the middle east, shall we build the wall in Iran or Iraq?

The Mexican families are not our enemy. They are our friends and brothers.

There is NO NEED for a wall. Upgraded enforcement and observation can do the job without a wall.

For 25 billion, we could help the Mexican/Central American economies instead.

(Besides, someday you may want to escape from the hand of Trump and his cult.)

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Was that done by Mexicans?




The drug smuggling would end and the gangs would lose their income if drugs were legalized.




The whole situation was caused by persons who want to pass laws to force their version of morality on the population.

Just like prohibition, all the gangster income was ended when alcohol was legalized.
It isn't the Mexicans that we really worry about. Getting into Mexico and then sneaking across the border is how they enter the country illegally. No one knows how many are here now!!!
 

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Keep in mind that Muslims adhering to the Koran believe the US is the Great Satan. They also believe that they are to kill all Jews. The Koran has verses stating the last Jew will be killed when the trees give away his hiding place. In surah 9 verse 5 Muslims are to behead all non believers after being given the chance to convert or be killed.

Religion of peace is garbage!!
 

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Keep in mind that Muslims adhering to the Koran believe the US is the Great Satan. They also believe that they are to kill all Jews. The Koran has verses stating the last Jew will be killed when the trees give away his hiding place. In surah 9 verse 5 Muslims are to behead all non believers after being given the chance to convert or be killed.

Religion of peace is garbage!!
The father of lies sure is crafty and clever in deceiving people with other religions, and he definitely preys ont he weak minded. But 100 percent accurate, religion of peace my butt!
 

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It isn't the Mexicans that we really worry about. Getting into Mexico and then sneaking across the border is how they enter the country illegally. No one knows how many are here now!!!
"Approximately 11.6 million Mexican immigrants resided in the United States in 2016, according to the ACS. Mexicans accounted for 26 percent of all U.S. immigrants, down from the peak of 30 percent in 2000.

Mexico and Central America accounted for most unauthorized immigrants in the United States as of 2010-14, with MPI estimating about 7.9 million people in total (71 percent of the overall unauthorized population). About 1.5 million (13 percent) were from Asia; 673,000 (6 percent) from South America; 432,000 (4 percent) from Europe, Canada, or Oceania; 353,000 (3 percent) from Africa; and 232,000 (2 percent) from the Caribbean.
The top five countries of birth for unauthorized immigrants were Mexico (56 percent), Guatemala (7 percent), El Salvador (4 percent), Honduras (3 percent), and China (2 percent)." https://www.migrationpolicy.org/art...ts-and-immigration-united-states#Unauthorized

These figures and others are just too easy to find, ya know? (you do now;))
 

Musicus

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I think that most of the jihadists are in the middle east, shall we build the wall in Iran or Iraq?

The Mexican families are not our enemy. They are our friends and brothers.

There is NO NEED for a wall. Upgraded enforcement and observation can do the job without a wall.

For 25 billion, we could help the Mexican/Central American economies instead.

(Besides, someday you may want to escape from the hand of Trump and his cult.)

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Was that done by Mexicans?




The drug smuggling would end and the gangs would lose their income if drugs were legalized.




The whole situation was caused by persons who want to pass laws to force their version of morality on the population.

Just like prohibition, all the gangster income was ended when alcohol was legalized.
How would $25 bil. help an economy with a total debt of about $500 billion?

How would legalizing drugs help lead people to Christ?

I don't understand your priorities, sir.
 

Musicus

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It isn't the Mexicans that we really worry about. Getting into Mexico and then sneaking across the border is how they enter the country illegally. No one knows how many are here now!!!
I think that most of the jihadists are in the middle east, shall we build the wall in Iran or Iraq?
This is really to everybody.
OK, here's another point to ponder, that of statistical misdirection. Check this. And this. I found this one interesting also.

So, do we WANT migrants of ANY kind to enter our country illegally? If you answer 'no', how do we stop it, and how much do you think should be spent on your idea? (If you answer 'yes', why? ) If you answered 'no' and have no ideas of your own as to how to stop it, then please shut up and let Trump try his ideas. Fair 'nuf?
 

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Should Trump shut down the government, if he doesn't get funding for his wall?
 

abcdef

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This is really to everybody.
OK, here's another point to ponder, that of statistical misdirection. Check this. And this. I found this one interesting also.

So, do we WANT migrants of ANY kind to enter our country illegally? If you answer 'no', how do we stop it, and how much do you think should be spent on your idea? (If you answer 'yes', why? ) If you answered 'no' and have no ideas of your own as to how to stop it, then please shut up and let Trump try his ideas. Fair 'nuf?

25,000,000,000 dollars (25 Billion)

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Idea #1,

You could give 25 million people 1,000 each.

So when illegal immigrants come to the border, just give them $1,000 each and send them home.

There won't be 25 mill illegal immigrants, so maybe we could give them $2,000 each, a trip to Disneyland, and a plane ride home.

It would be cheaper!!!!!!!!

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Idea #2,

Send in the B2 bombers and drop bombs on the border.

At $1 mill per bomb, we could drop 25,000 bombs on that area.

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Idea #3,

Invite Mexico to join the USA as the next 15 states of America. Invite the Central American countries also to become part of the USA.

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Idea #4,

Create major investments in the Mexican infrastructure so that life improves for the extreme poor and general populations.

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Musicus

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25,000,000,000 dollars (25 Billion)

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Idea #1,

You could give 25 million people 1,000 each.

So when illegal immigrants come to the border, just give them $1,000 each and send them home.

There won't be 25 mill illegal immigrants, so maybe we could give them $2,000 each, a trip to Disneyland, and a plane ride home.

It would be cheaper!!!!!!!!

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Idea #2,

Send in the B2 bombers and drop bombs on the border.

At $1 mill per bomb, we could drop 25,000 bombs on that area.

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Idea #3,

Invite Mexico to join the USA as the next 15 states of America. Invite the Central American countries also to become part of the USA.

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Idea #4,

Create major investments in the Mexican infrastructure so that life improves for the extreme poor and general populations.

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#1...You have to catch them first.
#2...You ARE a Christian, right?
#3...They won't go for it. Remember the Alamo.
#4...I thought that's what NAFTA was supposed to do.
 

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Should Trump shut down the government, if he doesn't get funding for his wall?
 

Musicus

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Should Trump shut down the government, if he doesn't get funding for his wall?
No. He said he would get Mexico to pay for it, and if I could I'd hold him to that. But they won't, and he can't make them (legally), so it's same ol' same ol'.
 

abcdef

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#1...You have to catch them first.
#2...You ARE a Christian, right?
#3...They won't go for it. Remember the Alamo.
#4...I thought that's what NAFTA was supposed to do.
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#1. give them each 1,000 dollars and a free plane ride home.

Why would you have to catch them? They would be coming to the free zone booth to pick up the money!

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#2. drop 25,000 bombs on the border areas at 1,000,000 each.

Well, we could make it nicer, and just drop 50,000 smaller bombs at 500,000 dollars each........ Or maybe 100,000 at 250,000 each?....... OK, 1,000,000 bombs at 25,000 each!

I mean, the supremacists say that everybody in Mexico is a criminal, right? An enemy instead of Christian brothers and sisters! Right? Evil people who are enemies of the USA? Instead of trustworthy neighbors and friends!
The people who say such things about Mexico and others are prejudice and unloving. Caught up in their own egotism! UNCHRISTIAN!! HATEFUL!! EVIL!!

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#3. Invite them to join the USA.

Why is the thought of inviting these nations to become states so alien to many?

History shows that the USA has expanded into many parts of the world. Territories that are not full states still exist.

Weren't the fanatics calling for Israel to become the 51st state not to long ago? Israel but not Central American States? Prejudice Much???? Maybe they will invite Norway to become the 51st state, instead of Niger. We are all the same in Jesus. To be prejudice because of the condition of the flesh is contrary to Christian love. Fear and division is a power that evil uses. Where is the Christian love that America was built on? Where is the Christian love for all? rich or poor? free or slave? Jew or Greek? Native American or European immigrant?

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#4. Invest in infrastructure.

NAFTA was supposed to do a lot of things. It wasn't perfect. Many companies around here left and went to other places. Mostly because of the lower wages, benefits, safety, and environmental issues. But we did see increased sales due to an increased market.

Those companies that went to Mexico and other places did build up their infrastructure, some. People who got good jobs only wanted to come to the USA for vacation and then return home. People don't really want to leave their homes unless they have to.

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The drug/gang/monies problems can be solved overnight. All the money would end if drugs were legal and could be brought at the pharmacy. No one would buy/manufacture drugs if the could be bought at the store. Overdoses would become less frequent. Nobody
wants to die, the OD deaths are caused by buying drugs from the street because they are not legal. The deaths are being caused because the drugs are illegal, not because of the drugs themselves, most of the time now.

People were dying from bad alcohol until it was legalized.

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